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    Default 4X4 Gurus Plz Help Buying Surf

    Hello Everybody,

    I am looking to buy my first 4X4, that is, Surf 96-97. I really don't know much about 4X4, but I am inclined to by Surf for its looks, durability, brute power and cost.

    The dilemma I am facing is whether to buy a petrol machine or diesel. My usage will include:

    1. Drive occasionally (once to twice a week in city)

    2. Very occasional visits to off-road or long drives (once a month to once a quarter may be)


    A friend of mine who is in auto-sale business suggested buying a petrol machine, because diesel now a days got more expensive than petrol and diesel machines require more maintenance, noise and vibration are other un-desired features of diesel autos.


    I currently have 2005 XLi, in extremely immaculate condition, which I am looking to sell before buying Surf, the nature of my work is that it has done 35K KM and has been driven once a week for only few kilometers.


    ALSO, I live in Karachi, please advise the most reasonable price range for the beast, thanks!

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    @Sherdil,
    If you very rarely drive your car to offroad terrains & even in the city.Than why you need surf.You mentioned that you already have a xli in imaculate condition than why you are after an old surf...

    Bahi bufflow bech ker elephant kion lena chahte ho?

    Surf is a big suv.Will increase your cost & transport budget.14 or 15 years old vehical needs maintenace & surf will be pretty heavy on your pocket.
    As you discribed your utlization.You dont need to buy a 4x4.Stick to the car you got & enjoy your life.
    "Fun Begins Where Road Ends"

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    OffRoad,

    Your observation and suggestion are quite right, considering my usage. Actually I am quite fond of off-roading, used to have dirt-bikes, had been a member of most active moto-cross/dirt-bike gang of Karachi.

    After buying Surf, it would be very difficult for me to control my old animal instinct of going wild in the wild. I have also got bore of sitting on computer for some 15hrs a day and program software and e-commerce web applications, now I want some action, once again.

    Also, Bhai BARHAM-BAZI bhi to koi cheez hoti hai, ki nahi?

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OffRoad View Post
    @Sherdil,
    You mentioned that you already have a xli in imaculate condition than why you are after an old surf...
    OffRoad, I think that the reconditioned Surfs are as good as new vehicles, used only 20% .......... plz correct me if I am wrong!

    Thx!
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    Please advise which one to buy, Petrol or Diesel?

    What is the price rage of V.Good condition Surf (1996-1998)?

    Thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherDil View Post
    OffRoad,

    Your observation and suggestion are quite right, considering my usage. Actually I am quite fond of off-roading, used to have dirt-bikes, had been a member of most active moto-cross/dirt-bike gang of Karachi.

    After buying Surf, it would be very difficult for me to control my old animal instinct of going wild in the wild. I have also got bore of sitting on computer for some 15hrs a day and program software and e-commerce web applications, now I want some action, once again.

    Also, Bhai BARHAM-BAZI bhi to koi cheez hoti hai, ki nahi?

    Thx!
    sounds like someone is going through mid-life crisis..

    I'd suggest Landcruiser, perhaps Prado. you should be able to get a really nice one for same price as the Surf, but with lots more room and seating capacity. not to mention better offroad ability and looks
    I may get Lost But I don't get stuck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomi1234 View Post
    sounds like someone is going through mid-life crisis..
    WHO KNOWS WHO is going through mid-life, what if I die tomorrow and you depart after 3-yrs and also what if you die tomorrow and I live 20 more years?
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    Please also advise on Inter-cooler and Turbo options, thx!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SherDil View Post
    WHO KNOWS WHO is going through mid-life, what if I die tomorrow and you depart after 3-yrs and also what if you die tomorrow and I live 20 more years?
    You obviously didn't get the joke.. never mind.
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    my two cents , keep yr xli as a daily drive , and buy a willys/mutt/toyota jeep for offroading n fun.

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    I will second laparwah..Go for a willys if you realy want to enjoy offroading & Keep your corolla as well.
    My ex ride which I sold to a fellow Pak wheeler Classis upgraded diesel 1942 Willys MB is for sale.Its in imaculate condition & in a very reasonable price.More over no work required.Buy & drive.
    Link is pasted below for your info
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/buy...b-1942-up-grab

    And beleive you me while driving a willys jeep.You wont go un noticed thats guranteed

    Willys Makes Its Own Way
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    @SherDil,

    <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com4X4 Gurus Plz Help Buying Surf - >&ltst1place wstKarachi</st1:place> then look for a gud condition Surf. As per Diesel Maintenance, Surfs imported from 2005 till 2007 most of them were almost 90 % condition. You don’t need to worry about high Diesel Maintenance cost. If you change the engine oil/filter on time and just a regular maintenance as we do for petrol vehicles then you won’t have any problem. Secondly, it will be hard to find a Petrol Surf in 1996/97 model. I bought my Civic Vti Oriel (Zero Meter) and after 2 months I bought Surf SSR-G 1996, believe me, I put a side my Civic and got addicted to Surf. Since then I can't go back to a <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Sedan</st1:place></st1:City>. Even though I bought Prado TZ 1997 but the love, drive and performance of Surf made me sell the Prado and I bought the Surf again.<o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    SSR-G is the top grade Surf, which has got the following options<o:p></o:p>
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    ECT (Electronic Control Transmission)<o:p></o:p>
    Hard Shock Option (Power Shock Observers)<o:p></o:p>
    Idle Up (For worming up the engine in cold conditions)<o:p></o:p>
    Rear Spoiler<o:p></o:p>
    Rear Power Mirror<o:p></o:p>
    LSD (Limited Slip Differential)<o:p></o:p>
    Central Differential Lock<o:p></o:p>
    <o:p></o:p>
    If this is just for occasional offroad fun then do look for other low budget options as well.<o:p></o:p>
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    BUT<o:p></o:p>
    If you are really committed in buying Surf and want to buy Surf only then I will recommend Surf SSR-G model. Let me worn U. It will change <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">ur</st1:place></st1:City> daily drive routine and it will give you such an offroad pleasure that there won’t be a returning point. It’s an addiction.
    It would "go places where tankers quit and birds would go back exhausted." *****Willys MB*****

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    Interesting discussion. We talk of two completely different experiences here, and the almost legendary book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" comes to mind.

    The author compares riding a motorbike with driving a car by saying something along lines that the car experience is like watching a TV where you experience the world through the windscreen while being in a shell which shields you from the environment. Riding a bike on the other hand you are a part of the environment, you feel the wind on your face and see the tarmac rolling under your feet. The author has an old Harley and while being out in the country he also frowns at his friend who has a BMW tourbike by saying that if anything goes wrong with it, neither the friend nor any mechanic within a hundred miles will be able to fix it.

    Essentially, the only four wheeler which approximates the experience of riding a bike is the Willy's. And the Toyota 4x4 that best approximates the experience of driving a big raised car while providing decent offroad capability is the Surf (short of the Harrier, which usually is a 2x4).

    So Sherdil Sb. you have a nice choice, either you can take the red pill or the white pill......

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    ... Diesal Rs.70+ and Surf 5-6 km/ltr
    Pakistan Land Rover Club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRDefender View Post
    ... Diesal Rs.70+ and Surf 5-6 km/ltr

    On avrage surf gives 8-9 with in city. That's what I m getting from my Surf, and this is my 5th Surf.
    It would "go places where tankers quit and birds would go back exhausted." *****Willys MB*****

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    OMG! so much nice feedback and comments, thank you all 4X4 Gurus for your great inputs .......... I am grateful, thx!
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    i would agree cent per cent with what Voyager wrote....go for SSR G and you will enjoy. For guys like us that has to multi task.....office, computer, family, offroad, etc etc i would say Surf/prado is a better option. Yes you can offroad better in Mutt/Willy's but u can't office in it and you can't take family in them either.

    I have gone through the same situation few years back and eventually ended buying a compact suv.

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    Voyager is right.............riding Surf SSR-G selection is an addiction...........you wont b able to get rid of comfort at this level.......look @ mine



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    Desertdevil,

    Exactly what I am facing these days. Inshallah, will be getting a 1996 SSR-G Surf soon.
    Keeping my fingers crossed for the deal.
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    @ Sherdil

    Go for it. This generation is one of the best and is really sporty and fun to drive if mechanically fit. Make sure u get the 1 KZ with intercooler option as it has much more juice. With auto tranny, its like a big toy / joy ride! I can bet once you get it, your corolla will just remain parked in ur house.

    Get a well cared for car and it'll be as reliable as a khotta with maintenance being generally filters / lubes / brakes. All spares are freely available and are sensibly priced (by SUV standards). Ive had mine for the past 2.5 years and have been using it as a daily driver for the past 1 year and it has never let me down even once ... both within city or outside.

    Average is around 5-8/L depending on how aggresively u drive. Fuel cost has really messed up things though (when i first got it, diesel was around Rs 32, now its 70!)

    I might be selling mine by Jan/Feb. Its a 1996/7 model imported in Dec'05 and is in excellent condition ... drop me an email if you want to have a look.

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