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    Default The DHB Panga : Poor Man's LSD

    Jeep Baltoro finally returned from Dr Awan's clinic....
    The DHB Panga  Poor Mans LSD -26220

    .....after receiving a Dual Hand Brake (DHB) surgical implant.
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    Original plan of replacing the rear AMC 20 with a Toyota Prado locking diff was costing an obnoxious amount of dough so we decided to settle for the poor man's solution which was to install individual handbrakes for the rear right and left wheels.

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    Not sure how far the practical offroad utility can be stretched, but waiting for the rain to explore some Ken Block style hairpin potential Immediate benefits appear to be smoother/softer handbrake functionalty....
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    Haha, nice work. Good luck with the hairpin, don't topple it over

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    ...not to mention anti sway bottle-holding
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    Quote Originally Posted by syncview View Post
    Haha, nice work. Good luck with the hairpin, don't topple it over
    Indeed I actually managed to ask Farooq and Ehsan today if they had ever tried a pin on Baltoro...obviously got a unanimous negative response from both. Liars!!!

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    Saw it in action with one tire lifted off the ground by a jack and I must say it looks promising. Great idea. Will put this in the Cherokee too if it works good offroad. .
    Aur. No pins... At least till now.
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    Default Cutting brakes

    Good for use in farm tractors and have known to be equally, even better used in extreme competition 4x4s.

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    Thanks Sarmad... great article:
    "This is sort of a poor man's traction control."
    "One thing to be extremely careful with is using cutting brakes at high speeds and on the street, as it can have deadly consequences."

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    whats the use of dual Hand brake ?
    one for front and one for rear ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehsankiani View Post
    Saw it in action with one tire lifted off the ground by a jack and I must say it looks promising. Great idea. Will put this in the Cherokee too if it works good offroad. .
    Aur. No pins... At least till now.
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    We gave it a bit of a test on the driveway, but the tricky thing obviously is the release, as on the driver's seat one probably doesn't have much of a clue whether/which wheel is spinning or not... I think also need a camera on my under-carriage to see whats going on with the wheels

    Generally, the hand brake is much more effective now than before and its quite difficult to move the car even if one is locked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spano View Post
    whats the use of dual Hand brake ?
    one for front and one for rear ?
    Its actually both rear, left and right ... pls do read the article link by Sarmad above.

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    Great Work Suhaib bhai.....lets put it to test on the terrain and see the result. i am sure it will kick a$$. The only thing is how fast you and the co-pilot get the hang of ..... engage release engage sequence..... Good Luck

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    This feature will be of benefit when the vehicle is stuck having two diagonal tires spinning and thats what its meant for. Its quite a common situation off the road during extreme flex. These can save the vehicle from being towed or winched out of a few places. I dont think it would be helpful on the run unless you really practice for some lightning fast action.
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    Practice this and then it would be the time for two handbrakes for the front wheels

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    zabardast idea Suhaib bhai.. will do wonder when stuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehsankiani View Post
    This feature will be of benefit when the vehicle is stuck having two diagonal tires spinning and thats what its meant for. Its quite a common situation off the road during extreme flex. These can save the vehicle from being towed or winched out of a few places. I dont think it would be helpful on the run unless you really practice for some lightning fast action.
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    Yes, I this this would certainly be a handy gadget in such situations. This situation is a fairly common occurance, as we saw with ihaq and other non-diff jeeps on the last IJC event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Thanks Sarmad... great article:
    "This is sort of a poor man's traction control."
    "One thing to be extremely careful with is using cutting brakes at high speeds and on the street, as it can have deadly consequences."
    To avoid the second thing you mentioned above (potentially very dangerous)... perhaps you can contrive a somewhat of a lever or a switch which when engaged makes each handbrake stop both tires (or locks the levers together). this would be a default situation. and only when offroading or stuck, would you turn off this lever/switch and seperately operate each handbrake ...
    this could be as simple as a rod locking the two handbrakes.. so a draw on one pulls both...and unlocking this rod will let you pull each one seperately.
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    man you are some gifted person, first Raag behevry & now the desi diff locks, what's next !!!! Great work Suhaib, i am thinking to put in my safari for the front one, are you coming this Sunday ? we can check it there.
    Life is short, lets go Off Roading!!!

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    Thank you... thank you... everyone for the nice comments!

    @syncview and Untame:
    "what about the front?" was my first response to Farooq on finding out that all this was actually done Front handbrake usually nahin hotee but pls read article by Sarmad for a possible configuration that can be used. I think it has to be some button operated solenoid stuff that locks the left/right brake.

    @Ehsan and Nomi: I am not sure if this will work wonders in all situations but I think lots of practice would be needed!
    And Nomi, the single brake works fine on normal parking, infact as I mentioned its working much better than the earlier setup. Only risk is on a hairpin

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    I like the idea of cutting brakes, but i assume this might take its toll on the brakes in frequent hardcore off-road, but then again i might be wrong.
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