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    Default Anyone know the gear ratios on the Evo?

    Just out of curiousity, but useful if maybe @Mitsuman can maybe school us on Mitsu gear ratios! Also for @Saidhi, @DesertDevil, @MMC as to what ratios do their desert racing / road raging pajeros run?

    BTW its not a trick question as I recall seeing some numbers on the net but can't really recall and too lazy to look it up at this stage And just to clarify curious about diff gear ratios only!

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    Hey SK, hope you are fine and well, have been following your Concordia thread, great job my dear.

    Regarding the question at hand, can only apologize as I have no idea about the diff ratios, only know one thing and that is "even EVO is not fast enough"

    Since I currently have a manual Evo and had an auto one in the past, can tell you through first hand experience that while cruising at 120 on M2, manual Evo maintains 3300 rpms and auto had 2750 rpms only. If that helps,,,,, I am happy, anything more than this,,,, I am sorry for being that much ignorant

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    Check this out

    but it is for lancer evo i think...PS
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post

    BTW its not a trick question as I recall seeing some numbers on the net but can't really recall and too lazy to look it up at this stage And just to clarify curious about diff gear ratios only!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imtiz_ahmed View Post
    Check this out

    but it is for lancer evo i think...PS
    You are right

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    Some general info for the Pajero Evolution...
    Chassis: E-V55W
    Engine: 4G74 V6 DOHC MIVEC
    Displacement: 3496 C.C.
    Bore x Stroke: 93.0 MM x 85.8 MM
    Compression: 10.0
    Horsepower: 280 PS / 6500 RPM
    Torque: 35.5 KG-M / 3000 RPM
    Transmission: 4WD 5-Speed INVECS-II Sport Semi-Automatic
    Gear Ratio 1st: 3.789 / 2nd: 2.057 / 3rd: 1.421 / 4th: 1.000 / 5th: 0.731
    Final: 4.272
    Size: 4075 MM x 1875 MM x 1915 MM
    Weight: 1970 KG
    Fuel Capacity: 75 Liter
    Suspension: Front & Rear Independent Double "A" Multi-Link Suspension
    Brake System: Front & Rear Ventilated Disc Brake
    Tyres: 265/70R16
    Price: 3,908,000 YEN
    Production Units: 2,500 Units World Wide
    RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Hey SK, hope you are fine and well, have been following your Concordia thread, great job my dear.

    Regarding the question at hand, can only apologize as I have no idea about the diff ratios, only know one thing and that is "even EVO is not fast enough"

    Since I currently have a manual Evo and had an auto one in the past, can tell you through first hand experience that while cruising at 120 on M2, manual Evo maintains 3300 rpms and auto had 2750 rpms only. If that helps,,,,, I am happy, anything more than this,,,, I am sorry for being that much ignorant
    Thank You, Sir for the appreciation on the Concordia! Please be expecting some company at your camp at Cholistan

    On the gear ratios, I seem tohave forgotten why I was asking the question in the first place I think it had something to do with figuring out how low should a car be geared for the Cholistan sands.... Zafar from Khorri Autos in light of his vast experience of building rally raid vehicles had suggested gearing down Shabab's Nissan patrol to 8:39 or in other words 4.88 with 31 inch tires, which is basically riddddiculously low for something with a large petrol engine....

    If you numbers are right, then thats quite a huge difference between the two Evos.... what were the tire sizes on each vehicle and was the manual in 4th or 5th gear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertypoiu View Post
    Some general info for the Pajero Evolution...
    Chassis: E-V55W
    Engine: 4G74 V6 DOHC MIVEC
    Displacement: 3496 C.C.
    Bore x Stroke: 93.0 MM x 85.8 MM
    Compression: 10.0
    Horsepower: 280 PS / 6500 RPM
    Torque: 35.5 KG-M / 3000 RPM
    Transmission: 4WD 5-Speed INVECS-II Sport Semi-Automatic
    Gear Ratio 1st: 3.789 / 2nd: 2.057 / 3rd: 1.421 / 4th: 1.000 / 5th: 0.731
    Final: 4.272
    Size: 4075 MM x 1875 MM x 1915 MM
    Weight: 1970 KG
    Fuel Capacity: 75 Liter
    Suspension: Front & Rear Independent Double "A" Multi-Link Suspension
    Brake System: Front & Rear Ventilated Disc Brake
    Tyres: 265/70R16
    Price: 3,908,000 YEN
    Production Units: 2,500 Units World Wide
    Thanks bro! We finally have a number : 4.272. I assume this is for the automatic! Interestingly that appears to be something like a 11:36!!??

    Whats a semi automatic transmission BTW? Is it something like a tiptonic or whatever its called...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    @SK

    Forgive me amigo but am even more lazier......
    Utterly disgraceful, MitsuMan
    I even mentioned Evo on the thread name and it was not good enough to get you going! Your getting old, Sir
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Thank You, Sir for the appreciation on the Concordia! Please be expecting some company at your camp at Cholistan

    On the gear ratios, I seem tohave forgotten why I was asking the question in the first place I think it had something to do with figuring out how low should a car be geared for the Cholistan sands.... Zafar from Khorri Autos in light of his vast experience of building rally raid vehicles had suggested gearing down Shabab's Nissan patrol to 8:39 or in other words 4.88 with 31 inch tires, which is basically riddddiculously low for something with a large petrol engine....

    If you numbers are right, then thats quite a huge difference between the two Evos.... what were the tire sizes on each vehicle and was the manual in 4th or 5th gear?
    Whether its Lahore, Cholistan, Mithi, Lasbella, Gawadar or Jhal, you are always welcome

    Manual as well as the Auto Evos are 5 forward, mentioned rpms were in top gear. Both Evos had similar sized tyres i.e. 265/75/16 AT BFGs

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Utterly disgraceful, MitsuMan
    I even mentioned Evo on the thread name and it was not good enough to get you going! Your getting old, Sir
    @SK

    Amigo, you bet I am.....still recovering from the dodgy trip we made to Boroghil!!!! Plus you have @saidhi.....he is younger and lives on caffeine and nicotine and that's why much faster both on the track and the recovery part!
    Coming to EVOs.....hmmm.....haven't driven mine in like maybe 4 odd months so am not too current on the gearing and the tacho indications but can safely presume a bit different set of readings from @saidhi's as he is not running OEM tyre sizes which @qwerty has rightly penned down!
    For anything more on the subject, please plan a nice dinner at Tai-Pan and maybe I am more useful with a fuller tummy!
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    lol@lives on caffeine and nicotine

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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
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    Amigo, you bet I am.....still recovering from the dodgy trip we made to Boroghil!!!! Plus you have @saidhi.....he is younger and lives on caffeine and nicotine and that's why much faster both on the track and the recovery part!
    Coming to EVOs.....hmmm.....haven't driven mine in like maybe 4 odd months so am not too current on the gearing and the tacho indications but can safely presume a bit different set of readings from @saidhi's as he is not running OEM tyre sizes which @qwerty has rightly penned down!
    For anything more on the subject, please plan a nice dinner at Tai-Pan and maybe I am more useful with a fuller tummy!

    Pretty sure your Evo was freakishly quiet at 160km on that test run in Karachi. Come on Mister Mitsu, do the man a favor and take her for a spin. She might even appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    .................... Zafar from Khorri Autos in light of his vast experience of building rally raid vehicles had suggested gearing down Shabab's Nissan patrol to 8:39 or in other words 4.88 with 31 inch tires, which is basically riddddiculously low for something with a large petrol engine............
    @ Suhaib, I think it may not be a bad idea to run 4.88 with 1FZ, it may limit the top speed of the vehicle but atleast with shorter gearing you will be in power band most of the time, which is very much needed when you are facing the drag of sand in cholistan with reduced tyre pressures. And even with 4.88 the topspeed will be in excess of 160kmph, which would be more than adequate. A petrol engine will cope much better comparitively at higher revs!

    By the way, my TLC has final ratio of 4.3, A 2UZ with 5 speed auto would have 4.1, where as for 1HDT or 1HDTE it is 4.1 for manual transmission and 3.9 for auto transmission, finally 1HZ equipped TLCs have 4.3


    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    .......................... but can safely presume a bit different set of readings from @saidhi's as he is not running OEM tyre sizes which @qwerty has rightly penned down!......................
    @ Mitsu, tyre size does not matter in this equation, because we are talking about indicated speed on speedometer, not actual speed measured by speed gun or GPS. So if Saidhi is showing 3300rpm @ indicated 120 with 265/75R16, your manual evo should show the same, its just that Saidhi's evo will be actually going 4kmph faster than it would if he had 265/70r16 tyres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Thanks bro! We finally have a number : 4.272 ......that appears to be something like a 11:36!!??
    My mistake this should be 11:47 which sounds a bit more familiar....
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    @Saidhi: Here is what I am getting out of my gearspeed ratio calculator based on @qwerty's info and your RPM readings:

    Auto:
    265/70/16 tyres + 0.731 5th + 4.272 diff ratio @2575 RPM= 120km/h

    I had to decrese RPMs here as with these specs I was getting 128km/h @ 2750 rpms.

    Manual:
    265/70/16 tires + 0.82 5th + 4.88 diff ratio @3300 RPM = 120km/h

    I had to increase both 5th and diff ratios as the car should have been much faster otherwise at 3300 rpms. Assumed 4.88 as the diff ratio as I don't think it will have anything higher but still had to mess with the 5th gear ratio to match things up.


    BTW I downloaded my gear ratio calculator from the net a while back and so far its given me decent readings so while there may possibly be slight differences, I think the above numbers should hold up together. I am sure @nn or someone else can confirm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    @ Suhaib, I think it may not be a bad idea to run 4.88 with 1FZ, it may limit the top speed of the vehicle but atleast with shorter gearing you will be in power band most of the time, which is very much needed when you are facing the drag of sand in cholistan with reduced tyre pressures. And even with 4.88 the topspeed will be in excess of 160kmph, which would be more than adequate. A petrol engine will cope much better comparitively at higher revs!

    By the way, my TLC has final ratio of 4.3, A 2UZ with 5 speed auto would have 4.1, where as for 1HDT or 1HDTE it is 4.1 for manual transmission and 3.9 for auto transmission, finally 1HZ equipped TLCs have 4.3
    Agree on the 4.88s! The numbers above seem to suggest an aggressive gear ratio for the manual Evo which lends credibility to the theory. The only outliers here are perhaps the 1KD VIGOs which run very tall 3.7s or something....

    And thanks for the detailed TLC info, I think the 1FZ-FE manual (if there is one!) should also run 4.1s.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Agree on the 4.88s! The numbers above seem to suggest an aggressive gear ratio for the manual Evo which lends credibility to the theory. The only outliers here are perhaps the 1KD VIGOs which run very tall 3.7s or something....

    And thanks for the detailed TLC info, I think the 1FZ-FE manual (if there is one!) should also run 4.1s.....
    The 1FZ has 4.3 for both manual or auto!

    The reason for Vigo's tall gearing is that their peak output is @ 3400rpm, and they redline at only 4200, so obviously they are in power band at much lower revs hence need for taller gearing. Having said that, don't know if the chipped versions (used in rallies) produce more power at similar rpms or higher.

    Your speed/rpm calculater is similar to mine, The numbers it shows for both NPP and TLC are very close i.e < +/- 50 revs @ 120kmph, so I guess it reasonably reliable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    Pretty sure your Evo was freakishly quiet at 160km on that test run in Karachi. Come on Mister Mitsu, do the man a favor and take her for a spin. She might even appreciate it!

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    @ SK & NN

    Dont understand a thing that you discussed above, guess would require a tutorial next time we meet

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