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    Default Kalapani Deosai 4x4 fording querry

    Brothers,

    Im planing to visit Deosai in the first week of July with family. Our ride will be a Toyota Hilux Double-Cabin SSR-X, 4x4 (standard setup. No lift kit and snorkel etc). We are planing to visit Rama lake and then move onwards to Deosai via Chakor Pass. There is however one big (rather deep & fast) hurdle in our plan though, the water crossing at Kalapani.

    Now I think (correct me if Im wrong) the vehicle has enough ground clearance and weight to handle Kalapani crossing. But I worry that water levels in the 1st week of July might be high due to early snow melt etc. and we might stall in the middle. So my question is: Is it realy advisable / doable to cross Kalapani with family and kids in this season? Or should we just attempt to reach Deosai from the Sadpara/Skardu side.

    Brothers with (Deosai) off-roading experience please advise.

    Mods kindly keep this in 4x4 section as it pertains to off-roading.

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    befikar ho kar jain ap. kalapani wont be a problem........
    just be sure kay deosai kay rastay khul *** hain completely. baqi inshallah koi rola nai hai.....

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    i believe it depends upon qty of water in the stream and height of vehicle air intake

    my friends visited deosai during July 2009 found this vehicle stranded in kalapani
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    From what I read so far in preparation of our trip to the same area in the second week of July, it should not be a problem. But no one could say that for sure as the water levels not only depend on the melting snow but also on the rain fall. If the water level rises then you would have to wait for it to go back to the normal level before crossing it. This could be identified with other jeeps crossing it.

    If another vehicle is going with you and has a winch on it would be very handy though.

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    @alimahr:

    i think this water level is fairly abnormnal. i went in august 2008 and the water level was like follows:

    Kalapani Deosai 4x4 fording querry -256880 Kalapani Deosai 4x4 fording querry -256881

    apki pic may tu level is very high and mite be a problem.........

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    Well i guess the video (one) was a very abnormal situation and it happens normally in rainy season starting end of july. Begining of July shouldnt be a pblm. i went through it in a potohar couple of years back. it was a tug of war but after all it as a very light weight vehicle. Hilux would prevail. Just see that before you enter you have some sort of backup in place (another vehicle, could be a tourist or a local passenger one).

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    @ace

    RULE UNO......Never attempt late afternoon and thats it..... your Twin Cab 4wd should do it with ease!
    But if tasting the spirit of adventure is on the cards, you can go fording in the evening ....... but would suggest you watch the (my) pajero video closely posted by @alimahr...... this particular crossing was done around 5-6 in the evening
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    Thanks everyone for your inputs.

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    I agree with MITSU_MAN feedback, try to cross that before 4PM, however the actual fun starts after 4 PM if you have atleast 1 more ride.

    A friend returned last week from DeoSai, he was stuck in Kala Paani (attempted around 5:30 PM with no backup), and had to leave the ride in the water all night which was toed back in the Morning. The only mistake he did was wrong gear selection (crawl 1) and lost momentum, the water traveled into the tank and to diesel pump (loose cap) & water also went into the clutch plate and wet leather means you are in trouble till the time it dries up, they camped in Kala Pani for two nights, but this is extremely rare!

    That was June, water level is expected to be low in July, do we have any first hand experience of Bara Paani crossing?


    Probable place where Bara Paani can be attempted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basharatu View Post
    I agree with MITSU_MAN feedback, try to cross that before 4PM, however the actual fun starts after 4 PM if you have atleast 1 more ride.

    A friend returned last week from DeoSai, he was stuck in Kala Paani (attempted around 5:30 PM with no backup), and had to leave the ride in the water all night which was toed back in the Morning. The only mistake he did was wrong gear selection (crawl 1) and lost momentum, the water traveled into the tank and to diesel pump (loose cap) & water also went into the clutch plate and wet leather means you are in trouble till the time it dries up, they camped in Kala Pani for two nights, but this is extremely rare!

    That was June, water level is expected to be low in July, do we have any first hand experience of Bara Paani crossing?


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    Thanks for the endorsement!
    Now why would you go crossing BARA PANI when you have a bridge on it? Hmmm.....lemme guess.....another Punga project or the divine keera???
    MEN DO IT AT DAKAR!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MITSU_MAN View Post
    @Basharatu

    Thanks for the endorsement!
    Now why would you go crossing BARA PANI when you have a bridge on it? Hmmm.....lemme guess.....another Punga project or the divine keera???
    If you have two options available, which one would you go for?

    1) Take the bridge, you might be too heavy to cross it & if you are then it would be a jump with a rig from 30 feets into the water & bridge is constructed on the narrowest channel having maximum current and depth. Chances of survival 50%

    2) Take the water with an assumption that the point you are taking wouldn't be deeper than 5 feets, water might take you away but still you have the chance to swim without smashing into it from the bridge height, chances of survival 70%

    I know we aren't too heavy for the bridge and can simply go across Bara Paani, but yes this is that divine keera, we want to try this Punga and explore what are the other options from where one can go cross Bara Paani, enjoy the adventure at its fullest and make a video for the community , it would be an attempt which will be done after calculating all the risks on-site and all necessary precautions would be taken to keep it within the boundaries of the Sport.
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    @Bash .... 5feet hmmmm this Punga will make us Nanga and understanding confirmed on devine keera .... jayho jayho lets do it early morning....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    @Bash .... 5feet hmmmm this Punga will make us Nanga and understanding confirmed on devine keera .... jayho jayho lets do it early morning....
    Understanding confirmed, we will explore this early Morning!
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    this thread reminds me of Blackwater crossing .... good old days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basharatu View Post
    If you have two options available, which one would you go for?

    1) Take the bridge, you might be too heavy to cross it & if you are then it would be a jump with a rig from 30 feets into the water & bridge is constructed on the narrowest channel having maximum current and depth. Chances of survival 50%

    2) Take the water with an assumption that the point you are taking wouldn't be deeper than 5 feets, water might take you away but still you have the chance to swim without smashing into it from the bridge height, chances of survival 70%

    I know we aren't too heavy for the bridge and can simply go across Bara Paani, but yes this is that divine keera, we want to try this Punga and explore what are the other options from where one can go cross Bara Paani, enjoy the adventure at its fullest and make a video for the community , it would be an attempt which will be done after calculating all the risks on-site and all necessary precautions would be taken to keep it within the boundaries of the Sport.
    @bashartu

    Hahahaha......divine keera rules.....that's the spirit!
    Btw, the jump ain't 30 feet......15 at the most, inclusive of Mog's daala elevation.....the bridge is really slung low!

    @dee dee

    Punga making nanga.....!
    Bara pani has many points at which mortals like us driving Pajeros can ford to cross....should be a walk in the park for those Mogs!
    And yes....pre high noon should be a smart move!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basharatu View Post
    If you have two options available, which one would you go for?

    1) Take the bridge, you might be too heavy to cross it & if you are then it would be a jump with a rig from 30 feets into the water & bridge is constructed on the narrowest channel having maximum current and depth. Chances of survival 50%

    2) Take the water with an assumption that the point you are taking wouldn't be deeper than 5 feets, water might take you away but still you have the chance to swim without smashing into it from the bridge height, chances of survival 70%

    I know we aren't too heavy for the bridge and can simply go across Bara Paani, but yes this is that divine keera, we want to try this Punga and explore what are the other options from where one can go cross Bara Paani, enjoy the adventure at its fullest and make a video for the community , it would be an attempt which will be done after calculating all the risks on-site and all necessary precautions would be taken to keep it within the boundaries of the Sport.
    Swimming in 5 feet of ice cold pure glacier melt water? Even if you were an Olympic swimmer you'll have 3-4 minutes at best before Hypothermia sets in. I would say for an untrained / unprepared swimmer the chances of survival are less than 5%. I recommend donning a wet suit before any such "keera" attempt for "just in case" scenario. Also recommended is excellent swimming skills in fast flowing waters as its not quite the same thing as swimming in your backyard pool.

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