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    Dear friends

    I am going to ask a very important question which will definitely lead me to take some very big and tough decisions against my 4X4’s.

    Please keep my requirements in mind while answering. I am a very regular hunter and have recently started joining IJC team events as well, means I need a tough and a very very reliable vehicle which can operate in jungles without giving me any problems especially when I am alone (means only single vehicle) and away from recovery vehicles and at far away distances from roads. For crossing water obstacles and rivers too.

    I have currently a totally original stock land cruiser which is very reliable as nothing has ever been changed/ modified in it.

    My question is, “will it be good if I keep a totally modified 4X4 both for my hunting and somewhat off roading purposes and is a modified vehicle as reliable as the existing stock vehicle is?”

    Like I have three main requirements

    1. 4 door
    2. compact
    3. soft top

    I believe a chinese BJ212 or a russian UAZ can be good for modifications and can fulfill the above three requirements.
    Your views are required against the above two vehicles in specific and in general as well.

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    Aoa Sir
    Good question indeed. Soon you will find that the world of 4x4s here is divided into two schools of thought.. One - The OEM-Always School and the other, Modify-Modify (or some woad call the Jogar School).
    In my honest opinion, every vehicle is built for a set of conditions. You start thinking of modifications when you reach the limit of your vehicle and it wont go where you want it to the way you want it to. My advice is that if one wants to get into modifications then one needs firm knowledge of what is being done to the vehicle and what is the best way to do it. Again. There is a learning curve involved, specially for novices like me and that means a few breakdowns (not to mention delays in the build ups ) here and there. As long as these help me to learn more, I am happy belonging to the second school of thought.
    My vote... Get a 46 series TLC and build it up.
    Ehsan

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    According to me Both setups are Reliable.
    But in Certain situations the Stock vehicles do not perform.

    You should stick with Stock vehicle until/unless you don't have big money to invest.

    When going for Modifying a 4x4 There are many companies who manufacture stuff(budget comes in here).

    according to what i think the mods should be like this...
    Step 1
    1. MT tires
    2. Lift Kit(though i would recommend the whole suspension kit)
    3. Winch(2x the weight of your vehicle)

    Step 2
    1. Air Lockers
    2. Sliders
    3. body armor( bullbars, side bars).

    If you have a reliable vehicle(eg your 60 series) and you do these mods you are adding stuff for improvements. Always add parts which are designed and tested for your vehicle.

    If you go the Jogar way(no offence ehsankiani ).There might be reliability problems.


    about chinese BJ212 or a russian UAZ I dont know if there are any accessories readily available. so the Jogars come in.
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    My personal experience says there is no alternate to original setup in your case.
    To all the extreme drivers, please come offroad like ME to keep others safe on the roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehsankiani View Post
    Aoa Sir
    Good question indeed. Soon you will find that the world of 4x4s here is divided into two schools of thought.. One - The OEM-Always School and the other, Modify-Modify (or some woad call the Jogar School).
    In my honest opinion, every vehicle is built for a set of conditions. You start thinking of modifications when you reach the limit of your vehicle and it wont go where you want it to the way you want it to. My advice is that if one wants to get into modifications then one needs firm knowledge of what is being done to the vehicle and what is the best way to do it. Again. There is a learning curve involved, specially for novices like me and that means a few breakdowns (not to mention delays in the build ups ) here and there. As long as these help me to learn more, I am happy belonging to the second school of thought.
    My vote... Get a 46 series TLC and build it up.
    Ehsan
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    While going the jogar way,U r a witness to each and every change or build-up being done,so in a way u know ur vehicle more compared to the stock set-up,as u don't get down to ur knees until something is making some undesirable noises or broken.
    Qaiser Pal,I have not failed.But found 1 of 10,000 ways which doesn't work.....Toyota driver "I couldn't repair my brakes,so i made my horn louder"..When i was born i was so surprised that i didn't talked to one and half year..since light travel faster then sound,people appear bright until you hear them speak..If u can't convince them,confuse them

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    4x4s are built to be tried and tested. they are very tough machines that will stand the test of time. having said that my vote is to slightly modify your existing 60 series with only the most needed/practical upgrades.
    what these upgrades are depends on your requirements. if your LC is a reliable then thats a great start. stick some MTs on it for all around ruggedness, a mechanical winch for getting unstuck from any situation and specially when only one or two vehicles in a convoy on a hunting trip. get a snorkel if you really want to cross deeper waters.

    other than these, your existing vehicle can and will do anything, you've got CNG in it so fuel economy is there and 60s are notoriously tough vehicles...the only question is are YOU ready to get it dirty and put it through what it was meant for? if you keep treating it like a bmw then you are really not doing justice to it. you will be surprised how tough these machines can be, some of the Gents at IJC have nice looking new vehicles but you'll be surprised to hear what they've been put through
    so bring her out to play and get her a bit dirty, she'll love it
    I may get Lost But I don't get stuck!

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    quite convincing

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    ill vote u keep ur 60 its one hell of a machine TRUST me on this

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    I think you got all your answers now Noman bhai

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