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    Default Buying SURF - need URGENT advise about 1KZ engine

    Right guys!! so I am wanting to buy a surf...was waiting for my car to sell and now its sold so I went surf shopping...
    I saw one at a dealer....
    its pretty old ... 1992-93 ( 2nd generation basically)
    the guy has changed its engine to 1 KZ (from 2L)
    I drove it...and went through bumps and car suspensionn seemed fine....so i went and showed it to a body shop...who says..its good...no accident..

    HOWEVER!!!!!!!! when i showed the engine to the mechanic (he is petrol mechanic basically)....he said...the engine does "BLOW" .... look how dirty it is...and also the oil level was low and very dark....to which the dealer said that its not been changed for long time thats why its so...and the dealer swears that the engine is perfect...its a NO BLOW ....

    o and also there was a huge cloud of smoke when i pushed the surf hard.....to which the dealer said that u have to change the nozzels(whateverr that is....i never had diesel engine so dunno what he was on about)....

    and there was also something about the starter as well...the car started fine when i tried...however, the guy said you have to change bushes of the starter motor or something...

    soooooooooo my question is!!!!!!! is the mechanic right about BLOW!!! how do i check the BLOW thingy!!! and whats this smoke all about.....do you think i should get it even if the engine is weak (as per the mechanic) ... though the dealer swears the engine is perfect ....and get it overhauled or wait till it dies and get it overhauled???how much would I have to spend on overhauling?!?

    final silly question!! its engine is swaped...so do you think the registration book should have entry of it ??

    would much appreciate your input ... i have told the dealer to give me till tomorrow afternoon to decide....

    4x4/engine experts please help....o and also about the 4x4 gear!! how do i check it ??
    Ahmad.


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    3 choices

    1 take the dealers word
    2 take the mechanics word
    3 get it checked by an independent professional (like a main dealer)
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    o well!! lemme rephrase the question......

    how much do you think is the rough cost of 1KZ engine overhaul....

    aaand...which workshop in Lahore (prefferably near DHA) shall i take it for overhauling ? or other diesel engine? 4x4 issues??

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    to check the blow:

    1) Start the engine put the car in neutral open the engine cap slighlty (with engine on) and put a cloth in front of it of the cap opening if it blows means the rings need replacement

    2)other way is to keep the car in neutral give acceleration for some moments then stop the engine open the engine cap if it had oil on the inner side it mean it blows.

    Note: i don't prefer this method but when i sold my pajero every 2nd person who came to see it did this experiment
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    ^^
    very true!

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    bro, for how much u sold your civic?
    again, dun buy any car from a dealer and the symptoms you are telling states that the engine is 75% gone!
    So dere is a big no for this vehicle!

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    Thanks Satti8 .... I will try that method .... personally speaking I have learnt alot from my experience of selling my car... how to check car body...the paint...for accident...engine...suspension...etc.

    Haroon_1 .. Sold it for slightly over 11... a fellow pak wheeler has bought it .... did you sell yours yet ?

    o and true about not buying from dealers...but the thing is I cannot afford a brand new SUV.... I am going for a very old model...early 90s....even if I stretch to over 96 model (as you suggested earlier)...it will still be 15 years old ... which no matter how much one cares for still have a lot of work to be done on ... soooooooo....the way i look at it...
    if the surf's body is in good condition....
    suspension/brakes/transmission looks good....
    aaand engine is sort of okay..... (as it can never be perfect in such an old car).....

    I can spend 1.2-2 lac to bring it to a level where i will be mentally satisfied that i wont be broke womewhere on side of motorway

    what do you think ???

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    i have a 93 surf in mint condition ..no engine work required , no suspension issue ..nothing at all..its isb Registered KB series ..if intrested let me know ..
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    bro then go to multan road near thokar interchange their are two showrooms of custom auctioned vehicles, a lot of early 90s are available dere. Find a good piece and enjoy!

    I haven't sold now. First ill search a good cl7 and then may sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    bro then go to multan road near thokar interchange their are two showrooms of custom auctioned vehicles, a lot of early 90s are available dere. Find a good piece and enjoy!

    I haven't sold now. First ill search a good cl7 and then may sell it.
    I have been there today as well ... there was one...but the guy said he will change engine and then sell it after a week.....as the engine already in it is weak....ooo and both the rear side needs body work.. so not good i guess...

    by the way!! do you think a Faisalabad registered car is okay to drive in Lahore??? would the police stop me for RANDOM check if the car isnt registered in Lahore??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BITURBO View Post
    i have a 93 surf in mint condition ..no engine work required , no suspension issue ..nothing at all..its isb Registered KB series ..if intrested let me know ..

    o I am very much interested!! have sent you a private message to get some details!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    I have been there today as well ... there was one...but the guy said he will change engine and then sell it after a week.....as the engine already in it is weak....ooo and both the rear side needs body work.. so not good i guess...

    by the way!! do you think a Faisalabad registered car is okay to drive in Lahore??? would the police stop me for RANDOM check if the car isnt registered in Lahore??
    any car registered from any city of punjab is perfect to drive in limits of the province, anywaz i m a faisalabadi and i love to own a fsd regt vehicle but never got one!

    Sir ill personally search for a surf for u, if i got any then i refer it to u!

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    n police doesn't even stops me while driving my friends lasbela registered pajero! how can they stop u, infact u r a elder men and i m young boy of twenty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    Sir ill personally search for a surf for u, if i got any then i refer it to u!
    Thanks

    and I will try to stay in my office and not go to the dealer and get that surf .... for the last two days all i am thinking is about that surf...sooo my colleagues at work suggested that i should just get it so I can concentrate on work

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    n police doesn't even stops me while driving my friends lasbela registered pajero! how can they stop u, infact u r a elder men and i m young boy of twenty!

    me and old man ....ehhh!!! you hit where it hurts ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Thanks

    and I will try to stay in my office and not go to the dealer and get that surf .... for the last two days all i am thinking is about that surf...sooo my colleagues at work suggested that i should just get it so I can concentrate on work
    concentrate on your job! check the sunday papers for a good vehicle nothing else or may use pw search section!

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    ehh! like I have much choice..


    anyways!! so where would i find good diesel/SUV mechanics in Lahore??

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    walton road is near to u and number of mechanics are dere. a mechanic named yonis and another is molvi.. Both are experts of suvs

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    walton road is near to u and number of mechanics are dere. a mechanic named yonis and another is molvi.. Both are experts of suvs

    Thanks Haroon

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    check engine blow once engine is warm/hot pull out oil dipstick if smoke or pressure is coming out engine require redoing
    only air without oil smoke compression rings require replacement
    oily smoke with air oil and compression rings gone
    oil ozing out plus smoke pistons plus bore sleeves replacement
    check your self
    engine oil of such old car would just go black on first start
    oil level cannot be judged coorect till the time engine remain off more than one hour
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