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    Default The Phantom Of City Sadar Road

    When I first started this thread, I had just taken delivery of a stock, recently-auctioned 1984 TLC FJ40.

    Gaari to khareed lee, lekin I had little/no idea of what I was going to end up doing to the vehicle. For a very long time, I planned to give it a "decent" sort of makeover: something involving some nice tyres, a respectable paint-job, comfortable seats, a roll cage, and that's about it. At that time, little did I know what was in store for me...

    Somewhere along the line, this project developed a life of its own. Baaton baaton mein, it metamorphosed from being a quick, run-of-the-mill restoration into something quite ambitious and challenging. Something that was in-your-face, and in-your-guts. Something, the likes of which we had seen chronicled in the pages of Off Roader magazines...but something which we'd never really attempted back home.

    This rebuild is STILL ongoing. It's far from over, just yet. But along the way, it's indeed become something which seems to have a life of its own. Ironically, this as-yet-unfinished vehicle has developed a...character.

    While it may not be the most ego-stroking fact...a lot of people know "The Phantom...jiss ka maalik woh Fouad Hafeez hai"...rather than knowing "Fouad Hafeez...jiss ke paas woh Phantom hai"

    Also, along the way, this vehicle has been instrumental in my making a huge number of friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers alike. Without a doubt, all of these people are gentlemen; sporting enthusiasts, and engine afficianados, and automotive hobbyists...with whom, a common love for the sport, has brought us to common ground. Their support, good wishes, advice, expert opinions, constructive criticism, and attention to detail, has made this hunk of steel slowly emerge into its current shape. I have no doubt that the end product will be a fusion of the ideas and aspirations of all of these friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers. To all of you; my deepest gratitude. It has been (and will be) one helluva ride, so far!

    For now, though, this thread (having picked up over 700 replies) is going to undergo some TLC of its own. A chronicle (in pictures) of all the water that's flown under the bridge, thus far, as we progress towards the desired end state (shown in the last picture of this post). Let the photos begin!

    And...I think it's about time for some of the photos to change here, too.

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    Default A Quick Sketch - Exhaust Design

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    Success! Sort of.


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    fouadhafeez here is fj40 with ur imagination kind of exhaust,spotted in f11.and cost was only 4000 for exhaust

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    Quote Originally Posted by chali View Post
    fouadhafeez here is fj40 with ur imagination kind of exhaust,spotted in f11.and cost was only 4000 for exhaust
    Thanks. Do you have a picture of the FJ with the modified exhaust?

    EDIT: Thank you! Earlier, when I asked if you had a picture, the pictures weren't showing up. I see them now!
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    Default Another Exhaust Design

    This is a photo of an M35 "Deuce" truck (which was in use in the US Army and our own Pak Army). This also has a beautiful exhaust design. As a young, newly commissioned officer, I used to love the exhaust note of this fearsome looking machine.


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    I was thinking...maybe the Phantom COULD have a double-stack arrangement. With the snorkel on one side, and the exhaust on the other. The locally fabricated snorkel would be on one side to the rear of the cabin, with its own snake-head pointing front. The exhaust (fabricated to almost identical design as the snorkel) could be on the other side.

    Then again, maybe the snorkel could stay in its traditional position (at the bonnet) and the exhaust could remain on the same side, to the end of the cabin (like shown in my sketch). In any case, I think both of these options would look rather hot!

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    just sent u the pic,this fj40 ws having 2F in it
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    my pics r blurred,actually the black part of it had holes and chrome pipe beneath it looked gr8
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    Quote Originally Posted by chali View Post
    fouadhafeez here is fj40 with ur imagination kind of exhaust,spotted in f11.and cost was only 4000 for exhaust

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    Once again, thanks for your precious input!

    Mere zaati khayal mein, this exhaust design seems a little "pheeka". If it were me, I'd use a fatter pipe to let those gases flow freely. The arrangement is also a little unsafe in my opinion. The place where the exhaust is mounted, is the widest part of the FJ body. So when this exhaust is strapped on there, it itself BECOMES the widest portion of the beast. Not an ideal environment, for bushes, branches, and other possible side-scrapes to gradually tear away the protruding system.

    I think it's a good idea, conceptually. With a little more improvement, perhaps, it could become a very good one, I think. Hats off to the gentleman who thought up the idea, in the first place! Obviously, mere aur uss ke khayaalaat mein mukammal hum-aahangi hai!
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    bdw u never mentioned u were in army
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    few days backi went to jamils shop,only to see ur rig,bhaai its awsome
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    Quote Originally Posted by chali View Post
    bdw u never mentioned u were in army
    On the 11th of April, I'll be celebrating my 27th year in the service, Insha Allah. It's a lifetime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chali View Post
    few days backi went to jamils shop,only to see ur rig,bhaai its awsome
    Thank you! I'm glad you like it.
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    AOA,here are some ideas of snorkel and exhaust,the exhaust on the yellow mutt is of the same truck u earlier referred (us cargo truck).i personally own a mutt and plan to get a fj on next month sialkot ord auction.i daily check this thread,buck up really impressive work,u took the initiative and pioneer of this idea.but check one thing from customs,cut and weld on frame is not allowed i think,check it up.best of luck for the project,regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    On the 11th of April, I'll be celebrating my 27th year in the service, Insha Allah. It's a lifetime!
    means 67 LONGIEEEEEEE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chali View Post
    means 67 LONGIEEEEEEE?
    Nope. 76th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asim View Post
    check one thing from customs,cut and weld on frame is not allowed i think,check it up
    Thanks for the good wishes. This isn't a cut & weld, at all...in fact, it was also purchased from an auction. No need to worry
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    i don,t know why uplading of other pic is not supported,gimme ur email so that i can send that pic.it is of a jeep fitted with cargo truck exhaust that too with engine like a snorkel not in the rear or side

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    ok thats nice,i thought you extended its chassis making it a long chassis.another pic for exhaust idea
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    Quote Originally Posted by asim View Post
    i don,t know why uplading of other pic is not supported,gimme ur email so that i can send that pic.it is of a jeep fitted with cargo truck exhaust that too with engine like a snorkel not in the rear or side
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    Great suggestion. In real life, though...this is a tall rig on a long wheelbase, which is VERY wide, too. So overall, the proportions of the beast haven't REALLY changed much. Just the size has, if you know what I mean. I don't know about body roll. I suppose it's inevitable, theoretically speaking. However, I'm inclined to wait until we get to the T&A phase, and see if it REALLY requires redress, or not.
    I understand the FJ (or HJ now ) is riding on a much wider track, but I believe you'll feel the need for swaybars as your roll center has shifted much higher than stock due to the taller tires and SOA conversion, while the springs have not been outboarded (i.e. mounted outside the frame rails). If viewing the vehicle from the front, you'll notice that the height increase now allows the body to load the springs with more leverage when going around curves. While the wider axles and offset wheels will allow a bigger footprint, this tendency of the body to pitch sideways can only be controlled with stiffer, outboard mounted springs, stiffer shock absorbers, or anti-roll bars, or a combination of all three

    Of course, this is something you can tackle at a later stage too as and when you feel. Personally, I consider swaybars to be essential safety equipment as the additional roll stiffness they provide could make the difference in a high speed emergency maneuver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep_junkie View Post
    I understand the FJ (or HJ now ) is riding on a much wider track, but I believe you'll feel the need for swaybars as your roll center has shifted much higher than stock due to the taller tires and SOA conversion, while the springs have not been outboarded (i.e. mounted outside the frame rails). If viewing the vehicle from the front, you'll notice that the height increase now allows the body to load the springs with more leverage when going around curves. While the wider axles and offset wheels will allow a bigger footprint, this tendency of the body to pitch sideways can only be controlled with stiffer, outboard mounted springs, stiffer shock absorbers, or anti-roll bars, or a combination of all three

    Of course, this is something you can tackle at a later stage too as and when you feel. Personally, I consider swaybars to be essential safety equipment as the additional roll stiffness they provide could make the difference in a high speed emergency maneuver.

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    Thanks for the input!

    As a matter of fact, the springs have been changed to a series 60 spring-stack. These are stiffer (since the 60 series is a MUCH heavier beast than the 40), and longer too. Also, we have HAD to outboard them somewhat, because the series 60 diffs NECESSITATE that the shackle / mutthi be mounted wider on the frame. Not by a great deal, admittedly...just 1.5 inches on each side.

    There is NO doubt, however, that not just has the ride height increased, the centre of gravity of the machine has also grown higher. This poses a delicious mental dilemma, which I'll attempt to explain, by showing various (somewhat contradictory) dimensions of the Phantom.

    a. The SOA has added about 6 inches to the height, whereas overall ride height has gone up by about 15 inches (due to curvier leaf springs, and oversized tyres).

    b. Spring "stance" has been widened by 3 inches.

    c. Weight will go up by about 400 kg, unladen (additional coachwork, frame extension, roll cage, interior...combined with some weight saving on the engine, probably)

    d. The diffs are 3 inches wider. The overall increase in width, though is 20 inches (because of tyre offset). Whilst we do not EXPECT any rubbing by the wheels, 2 inch spacers on each side (if absolutely inevitable), will accentuate the width increase to an even 2 feet.

    e. Wheelbase has gone up from 90 inches to 114 inches (increase of 2 feet). 6 inches have been added to the tail, thereby increasing the length by a total of 30 inches.

    f. Original approach angle of the FJ is in the 55 degree range. When finished, the Phantom will have an approach (and departure) angle in the 75 degree range.

    You'll agree, that this is mouth-watering stuff. Also, it makes for a lot of "ifs and buts". WILL the Phantom be prone to a great deal of sway? Possibly. Perhaps not. It's touch and go. The jury is still out on that one.

    The lack of any empirical evidence to suggest a straightforward "yes" or "no" answer is why we're putting "controversial" conversions / add-ons, on hold, for now.

    My "rebuild philosophy" in this regard has been fairly simple. What is absolutely essential is modified / changed / outboarded / removed (and pretty much EVERY bloody thing HAS been modified!). However, all those things where even a marginal doubt exists as to whether or not they will be efficient / efficacious, have been left untouched, until the Test & Adjustment phase of the rebuild.

    This phase is going to last for 3-4 weeks, and by God am I going to be brutal with this rig, during that phase! In my mind, I have a check-list of sorts, regarding what aspects I'd like to thresh out, thoroughly. The stabiliser / sway / anti-roll / panhard bar options are very much a part of that. Offhand, I've also heard of some ride-adjustable shock absorbers from someone (I don't have any personal research on the subject)...which could prove useful in the offroad / onroad ride quality aspect. I've also put that off, until later.

    Your post serves as a wonderful mental springboard, though. As does every single post which is added on here. It makes me take stock of things, and even if they HAVE been considered, a fresh re-evaluation in the light of comments like yours, infuse a deeper understanding of the task in hand.

    For that...respect.

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