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    When I first started this thread, I had just taken delivery of a stock, recently-auctioned 1984 TLC FJ40.

    Gaari to khareed lee, lekin I had little/no idea of what I was going to end up doing to the vehicle. For a very long time, I planned to give it a "decent" sort of makeover: something involving some nice tyres, a respectable paint-job, comfortable seats, a roll cage, and that's about it. At that time, little did I know what was in store for me...

    Somewhere along the line, this project developed a life of its own. Baaton baaton mein, it metamorphosed from being a quick, run-of-the-mill restoration into something quite ambitious and challenging. Something that was in-your-face, and in-your-guts. Something, the likes of which we had seen chronicled in the pages of Off Roader magazines...but something which we'd never really attempted back home.

    This rebuild is STILL ongoing. It's far from over, just yet. But along the way, it's indeed become something which seems to have a life of its own. Ironically, this as-yet-unfinished vehicle has developed a...character.

    While it may not be the most ego-stroking fact...a lot of people know "The Phantom...jiss ka maalik woh Fouad Hafeez hai"...rather than knowing "Fouad Hafeez...jiss ke paas woh Phantom hai"

    Also, along the way, this vehicle has been instrumental in my making a huge number of friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers alike. Without a doubt, all of these people are gentlemen; sporting enthusiasts, and engine afficianados, and automotive hobbyists...with whom, a common love for the sport, has brought us to common ground. Their support, good wishes, advice, expert opinions, constructive criticism, and attention to detail, has made this hunk of steel slowly emerge into its current shape. I have no doubt that the end product will be a fusion of the ideas and aspirations of all of these friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers. To all of you; my deepest gratitude. It has been (and will be) one helluva ride, so far!

    For now, though, this thread (having picked up over 700 replies) is going to undergo some TLC of its own. A chronicle (in pictures) of all the water that's flown under the bridge, thus far, as we progress towards the desired end state (shown in the last picture of this post). Let the photos begin!

    And...I think it's about time for some of the photos to change here, too.

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    ...7 sec 0-100kph acceleration (6.7 sec claimed) and nearly 2 seconds faster than the newly introduced 100 Series V8.
    Whoa. 600 odd brake horsepower! That claimed top speed makes it faster than a Porsche Cayenne S! And I thought it was pretty fast, ALREADY! AND...one must keep in mind, that these figures are for a Series 80 TLC. An FZJ79 weighs probably half of a Series 80...so the resulting performance must be phenomenal.

    There aren't a great number of these on the road in Australia and only one in our group. There is however a great deal of interest and we're waiting for more of us to take the plunge.
    There may NOT be many of them on the road in Australia...but I'd dearly like for at least ONE of them to be on the road in Pakistan!
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    And as for the 1HZ, a Safari turbocharged, intercooled, and boost compensated modification, bumps the horsepower to 200+ bhp...in the 1FZ range. Very impressive, indeed.

    I have this feeling that I'm going to end up doing terrible things to the 1HZ AND the 1FZ!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep_junkie View Post
    ..... Having gone the 1UZ route, I think maintaining proper balance and keeping overall weight low might make for a more fun vehicle.
    Good to see you out here, Sir!

    Both things have been done out here on CJs, 1HD-FT and 1UZ-FE.... In the end I guess ideally one should to do half what one feels like doing and half what seems logical: half heart, half wallet! There isn't any right or wrong choice as long as you get it up and running and tame any major gremlins that emerge...
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    that seems like a neat enough job, Suhaib Bhai...could you give some pointers, regarding the procurement, logistics, hardware, and specialists who could do such stuff?
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    @ Foaud, zara holay holay, dheeray dheeray........................from what I remember these complete australian turbo charging or supercharging kits cost a fortune..................almost to the tune of something north of cool half million!!!! So if you really want more POWWAAARRRR......................you may have to re-think your strategy!


    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    ........................An FZJ79 weighs probably half of a Series 80...so the resulting performance must be phenomenal.

    And don't underestimate your FZJ79, its no light weight, even in standard form it weighs over 2000kg (its longer n wider than even 100 series) and with your winch roll bars at back the extra seats, I am sure it weights atleast 2300kg, which is probably more than what a 80series TLC would weigh.

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    Doctor Saab...aap ko bilkul bhi yeh baat achhi nahin lagti ke I use vague terms.

    I actually meant the "weight" remark as a loose-bowl figure of speech.

    Factually, the 79 is certainly longer than the 80. The 80 is probably broader. The 79 is a single cabin with a pickup tub. The 80 is a full size SUV. Of COURSE the 79 isn't half the weight of the 80. But from the general appearances and a quick summary view, I'm still inclined to think that it IS lighter, anyways. For empirical proof, though...I think I'll weigh it one day, and ask someone with a Series 80 / 100 to weigh their beast, too. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

    About the turbochargers...you're right, of course. They ARE very costly options. As I've discovered with most things I've encountered along this rebuild, though..."never say never". The option of turbocharging the 1HZ is going to remain an option, until it's discarded thoroughly, in the light of it being too cost-prohibitive, or too impractical, or simply because it's not really needed.

    Besides...it's good to daydream about a 200+ bhp oil-burning Phantom, and a 600 bhp daala!
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    @ Fouad, I hadn't meant to be that picky ...................but I have been thru some of these exercises already. I was amazed my NPP weighed 2225 kg despite being an open daala, where as LC100 weighs only a little more at 2360kg. And 80 is somewhat slimmer than 100, so that is what I was roughly translating earlier.

    Anyway a quick search on the net supports my suspicion about the weight. The width of 80series is a bit more, but weights are very close!



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    Also while looking for various options to improve the power of NPP, I actually considered a bolt on turbo kit, but it proved to be cost prohibitive. So I thought I should warn you.

    Reading thru your post, 30-40% safe increase in power for a 135hp 1hz mean max 190hp. Why not than opt for 1HD-FTE with 200+ horses anyway, hopefully with toyota factory reliability. I recently had a chance to drive a Chipped 1HD-FTE LC100 producing maybe 240+ horses and it was just lovely!

    For 1FZ, maybe you can convince one of the IJCians to give you the superchargers that has been acquired but not used yet!

    In one of your earlier posts you mentioned, you were hoping that just the looks of Phantom would get people drooling, I am sure it will.......................but having personally seen monster trucks / bigfoot from very close......................yes the huge tyres n suspension n all leaves you awestruck, but when the monsters were started and revved up BBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR................it literally send down a most awesome shiver down your spine...............so yes an awesome sounding engine / exhaust combo should be a must for phantom!

    Hopefully, you won't mind all of us getting a dream vehicle built thru your wallet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Good to see you out here, Sir!

    Both things have been done out here on CJs, 1HD-FT and 1UZ-FE.... In the end I guess ideally one should to do half what one feels like doing and half what seems logical: half heart, half wallet! There isn't any right or wrong choice as long as you get it up and running and tame any major gremlins that emerge...
    Thank you Suhaib! Likewise! My mechanic was finally able to turn the engine over, after he took the transmission off and rigged a bar across some bolts in the flywheel. A couple of good kicks and it broke loose. It took a lot of cranking to get this beast to fire but it's finally running now. I haven't driven it yet.. wanted to wait until I got an ignition miss sorted out but it needs new plug wires really bad so I guess the maiden drive will happen tomorrow after all, open manifolds, miss and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    that seems like a neat enough job, Suhaib Bhai...could you give some pointers, regarding the procurement, logistics, hardware, and specialists who could do such stuff?
    Sir, I did a long story and lost it in the post! I don't know how this discussion has ended up here on turbo charging stuff, but in short and with all due respect, I think the Phantom should crawl first and fly later and a 1FZ will never make 600HP unless one sells his house to finance it....
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    The tuning companies can do it for you but may cost no less than 15000 u$. BSP and ARP and some other companies do it for you. I have personally seen some gigantic single turbo 1fzfte producing over 1000 hp in Dubai with Bee*r limiters. But I think that's only good for youngsters like me. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Sir, I did a long story and lost it in the post! I don't know how this discussion has ended up here on turbo charging stuff, but in short and with all due respect, I think the Phantom should crawl first and fly later and a 1FZ will never make 600HP unless one sells his house to finance it....
    Splendid advice...as usual.

    I'm a firm believer in forward planning, though. Presently, the 1HZ and its tranny are already procured and ready. Bohut hadd tak, the essentials for the "basic" drive train are already in place. Whilst keeping one's eye on the ball, this discussion about turbo-charging and inter-cooling and super-charging, probably falls more within the "food for thought" realm than anything else. The "so...what do we do next?" factor.

    It's also like I said earlier...this rebuild will never really just "finish". I think it'll be an ongoing evolutionary process. Added to that is the fact that when I bought this beast way back when, in the very first post to this thread, I'd wanted this page to serve as a "bulletin board" for some zany, wacky, totally out-of-the-box ideas. These flights of fancy (some of which ARE completely ridiculous when weighed against costs and logistics), are JUST the right inspiration to address that question: "so...what do we do next"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Why not than opt for 1HD-FTE with 200+ horses anyway, hopefully with toyota factory reliability. I recently had a chance to drive a Chipped 1HD-FTE LC100 producing maybe 240+ horses and it was just lovely!
    Believe me, Boss...the option to go for the 1HD-FTE (despite the fact I already have the 1HZ, and my aversion to the 1HD's electronic whatchamacallit thingamajig) is STILL a possibility, which might be resorted to. The 1HZ is untouched / uninstalled. At some point in time, it would be a fairly simple affair to return it to the Haji Saab, and get a 1HD-FTE, instead. Dekhenge.

    In one of your earlier posts you mentioned, you were hoping that just the looks of Phantom would get people drooling, I am sure it will.......................but having personally seen monster trucks / bigfoot from very close......................yes the huge tyres n suspension n all leaves you awestruck, but when the monsters were started and revved up BBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR................it literally send down a most awesome shiver down your spine...............so yes an awesome sounding engine / exhaust combo should be a must for phantom!
    I agree, Sir. Completely. Unequivocally. It won't be enough to JUST have a good looking, decent performing beast. It IS going to HAVE to sound good, too. So...yes. An exhaust punga is very much on the cards.

    Hopefully, you won't mind all of us getting a dream vehicle built thru your wallet!
    Quite the contrary, brother. I feel absolutely DELIGHTED by the way this Phantom is "everyone's" beast...with so many people giving invaluable advice, opinions, and best wishes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saaduk View Post
    The tuning companies can do it for you but may cost no less than 15000 u$. BSP and ARP and some other companies do it for you. I have personally seen some gigantic single turbo 1fzfte producing over 1000 hp in Dubai with Bee*r limiters.
    I might as well just SELL the FZJ79, before it lands me in a monumental, epic punga!

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    But I think that's only good for youngsters like me. Lol
    Ask ANY one of us fortysomething blokes out here, Saad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    For 1FZ, maybe you can convince one of the IJCians to give you the superchargers that has been acquired but not used yet!
    Hmmm. Sir, iss masaley ke baare mein thori vazahat farmaein. Saaf chhupte bhi nahin, saamne aatey bhi nahin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep_junkie View Post
    ...so I guess the maiden drive will happen tomorrow after all, open manifolds, miss and all.
    All the very best of luck!
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    On the lighter side...

    Aaj, achhe husbands ki tarah, I've been up and about since the early morning...getting the ghar ka sauda salaf, marshalling finances, overseeing the bachon ki likhai parhai...and generally being a homebody.

    And my better half says: "kitna chaalaak hai. Thori der baad yeh achanak, bilkul ghayab ho jayega. Jaana hoga na...meri uss chaar pahiyon waali saukan ke paas."

    Insaan kissi bhi haal mein khush nahin rehta!

    (Waisey, aapas ki baat hai...Begum Sahiba kehti tau theek hain. Kuchh hi der baad, mein WAQAI ghayab hone wala hoon!)
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    Sir i am sure the outcome of this project will not only be a monster looking 4 wheeler but also it is becoming a thread full of practical information and in times to come people will definitely get guide lines from the views of many experts who have contributed here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman8ff View Post
    Sir i am sure the outcome of this project will not only be a monster looking 4 wheeler but also it is becoming a thread full of practical information and in times to come people will definitely get guide lines from the views of many experts who have contributed here.
    Thanks for the good wishes, Noman!

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