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    Default The Phantom Of City Sadar Road

    When I first started this thread, I had just taken delivery of a stock, recently-auctioned 1984 TLC FJ40.

    Gaari to khareed lee, lekin I had little/no idea of what I was going to end up doing to the vehicle. For a very long time, I planned to give it a "decent" sort of makeover: something involving some nice tyres, a respectable paint-job, comfortable seats, a roll cage, and that's about it. At that time, little did I know what was in store for me...

    Somewhere along the line, this project developed a life of its own. Baaton baaton mein, it metamorphosed from being a quick, run-of-the-mill restoration into something quite ambitious and challenging. Something that was in-your-face, and in-your-guts. Something, the likes of which we had seen chronicled in the pages of Off Roader magazines...but something which we'd never really attempted back home.

    This rebuild is STILL ongoing. It's far from over, just yet. But along the way, it's indeed become something which seems to have a life of its own. Ironically, this as-yet-unfinished vehicle has developed a...character.

    While it may not be the most ego-stroking fact...a lot of people know "The Phantom...jiss ka maalik woh Fouad Hafeez hai"...rather than knowing "Fouad Hafeez...jiss ke paas woh Phantom hai"

    Also, along the way, this vehicle has been instrumental in my making a huge number of friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers alike. Without a doubt, all of these people are gentlemen; sporting enthusiasts, and engine afficianados, and automotive hobbyists...with whom, a common love for the sport, has brought us to common ground. Their support, good wishes, advice, expert opinions, constructive criticism, and attention to detail, has made this hunk of steel slowly emerge into its current shape. I have no doubt that the end product will be a fusion of the ideas and aspirations of all of these friends, acquaintances, and well-wishers. To all of you; my deepest gratitude. It has been (and will be) one helluva ride, so far!

    For now, though, this thread (having picked up over 700 replies) is going to undergo some TLC of its own. A chronicle (in pictures) of all the water that's flown under the bridge, thus far, as we progress towards the desired end state (shown in the last picture of this post). Let the photos begin!

    And...I think it's about time for some of the photos to change here, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Oh God! Congrats on buying the tires, but I think you need to do some more research on what it would take to effectively install that size on an FJ40 and also do some soul searching as to what your objectives from the vehicle are.....

    For starters, you will not be able to effectively run those on 100 series or any other stock TLC diffs. The gear ratios will never really match up and you will need bigger ratio ring and pinion from a Toyota Dyna or something and you'd be better off keeping the stock 40 series diffs and just changing ring pinion....

    You will also need to do a spring over axle conversion like Tareen's build to effectively clear that height.....

    As far as engine/gear goes, once you have the right diff ratios I would just recommend a B series (2B, 3B, 13BT etc ) or an H series (2H or 12H-T) with the stock 4 or 5 speed gearbox....

    I don't see the point of unnecessarily blowing away too much money here on 1HDT or 2UZ because with those tires and above two conversions (short ratio diffs and SOA) you are going for a very specialized offorad rig. With this setup you will in all likelihood never get close to exploiting the full incremental potential of those engines out here. No point in unnecessarily bumping both project cost and risk, a solid 2H would be my ideal choice for this...

    Best of Luck!
    Once again, my deepest gratitude for the best wishes. They will be needed, for sure!

    My Objectives: Extreme off road action (I'm thinking of getting the 295/75/16 tyres I mentioned elsewhere, too, since those are road/AT tyres, and would probably be used more than the Super Swampers, which might be saved for those more demanding off road occasions). Hunting. Mud-crawling. Desert-trawling. Long distance (off) road trips to some of Pakistan's beautiful, off-the-beaten track areas.

    The SOA is probably a necessity, since it seems to be the only way that the FJ is going to get THAT much lift. Although, I'm also thinking of a shackle reversal procedure for the front. Probably, double shocks for the rear, too.

    The body might have to go under the knife, too...especially in terms of the rear wheel arches. The 100 series TLC diffs MAY be a necessity, actually...since they're significantly broader than the stock FJ diffs. They'd probably thrust the tyres out some, and add some much needed width to the ride height of the wheels. However, this IS a costly option, which CAN be avoided...and might be, admittedly.

    Again...as far as the engine is concerned, the ever-so-thoughtful pieces of advice and opinions, are welcome. They're profoundly helpful in crystallizing thoughts for the big question: KARNA KIYA HAI, YAAR?

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    Clearly, I need to research a little more on gear and diff ratios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by isiddique View Post
    <font color="black"><font face="Times New Roman">Wow – Those monster tires are looking good. But on the warning side like Suhaib mentioned anything beyond 285 or maximum 305 (or close to 33”) you would run into a lot of clearance issues, road noise etc etc. But then again, FJ is sickness and imaginations run wild. <!--?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comThe Phantom Of City Sadar Road - p<font 0"="" alt="" face=" border=">Based on my personnel experience (or lack thereof) 2F is like <font color="black"><font face="Times New Roman">estranged gf, never happy. The problem compounds with lack of poor quality 2F carb and other replacement parts in Pakistan. If I was going to do this project all over again, the first thing I would do is replace it with better motor like 3B or 13BT with 5 speed manual (again consistent with Suhaib’s recommendations). <o:p></o:p>
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    Thanks for the participation.

    You're so right about the FJ being a case of total sickness! I'm so glad that my motives for all this idiocy are understood by someone, at least! Ha ha ha.

    I agree about the 2F engine. Just yesterday, I'd taken the beast out for a drive and the engine was absolutely PERFECT. I mean...it was acting like a champion. Great torque. Great sound. Great acceleration.

    Today, in the morning...nothing! Start bhi nahin hui. Aur koi duz hazzar rupaiy ka petrol, sau kilometer mein pee gayee. Iss naraaz girlfriend se waqai, jaan churanna behtar lagta hai.

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    Default Kiyunke Yeh Tyre Tasweer Maangte Hain!

    There's just one reason for this picture to be posted: the tyres are just THAT damned sexy!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    ..................The 1FZ-FE engine is a very torquey, high-revving, low-maintenance, virtually indestructible engine with enormous low range power.

    ...........................similar engine-transmission setup using 385/110/15 tyres? I really don't know...but it seems like a mouth-watering setup to me.

    I wouldn't call 1FZ a particularly high revving engine in this day n age. Well yes compared to diesels maybe, or older carb engines and American big guns! Anyway, totally agree with you on 1FZ capabilities, the newer one churn out 224hp, and even newer vvti ones did 240hp, but these are probably not available here. We do have four 1FZs running in our IJC clan!

    I would agree with Suhaib that stock gears are unlikly to cope with the huge tyres, unless your intended use is gentle. Without the right gear ratios even the might of 1FZ or 2UZ would not be enough to utilize your new vehicle tyre combo properly. Given that availability of various items/ parts makes the decision for you when you are building such a monsters here (otherwsie you might be waiting forever, unless you can somehow import the stuff). You will therefore have to be very careful as to keep Jugaars to minmum if you really want to have reliability.

    Finally, I am sure you already know that fuel consumption of most offroaders are always burning holes in the pocket, so better start digging oil wells if you intend to use the monster tyre combo regularly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    I wouldn't call 1FZ a particularly high revving engine in this day n age. Well yes compared to diesels maybe, or older carb engines and American big guns! Anyway, totally agree with you on 1FZ capabilities, the newer one churn out 224hp, and even newer vvti ones did 240hp, but these are probably not available here. We do have four 1FZs running in our IJC clan!

    I would agree with Suhaib that stock gears are unlikly to cope with the huge tyres, unless your intended use is gentle. Without the right gear ratios even the might of 1FZ or 2UZ would not be enough to utilize your new vehicle tyre combo properly. Given that availability of various items/ parts makes the decision for you when you are building such a monsters here (otherwsie you might be waiting forever, unless you can somehow import the stuff). You will therefore have to be very careful as to keep Jugaars to minmum if you really want to have reliability.

    Finally, I am sure you already know that fuel consumption of most offroaders are always burning holes in the pocket, so better start digging oil wells if you intend to use the monster tyre combo regularly!
    Ha ha ha @ the "digging oil wells" remark. So true!

    Have managed to locate a 1FZ-FE engine in Rawalpindi today, along with its original gears and differentials (including electronic diff lock). The gentleman is asking for Rs. 3 Lakh for the engine alone (incl wiring, A/C compressor, steering box, et al). The 5 forward manual gear is going for an additional Rs. 1.25 Lakh, and the diffs are for another Rs. 1 Lakh. Rs. 5.25 Lakh already. Aur mazdoori, ya jugaar ke paise tau abhi ginney bhi nahin shuru kiyay. Pretty hefty sums.

    Have told him to stay on the lookout for similar engines...having pretty much narrowed down the choices (mentally, at least) between the 1FZ, 2UZ, 1HDT-T, and 1HZ. 2 petrol engines, 2 diesels. Should provide me plenty of sleepless nights whilst procrastinating over which one I'll eventually choose!
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    Not to spark a debate, as to exactly WHAT constitutes "high-revving"...but from what I've seen (and come to love over the past couple of years), is how the 1FZ-FE engine is "happier" at higher revs.

    My FZJ79 is redlined at 5000 rpm (max: 7000 rpm), and is at its perkiest when operating near the redline (its peak torque and power come at 4600 rpm). But I concede, given how so many modern engines are so much "revvier"...the 1FZ-FE may not be classified as a "high-revving" engine, after all.
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    Well, I don't really know what more to say after my last post, but I would once again sound a note of caution before spending big bucks on the engine and gearbox if you actually plan to run those tires....

    If you actually plan on using the vehicle for long expeditions in Pakistan, anything bigger than 31 inch tires is an overkill in my view with 33s being the absolute limit you can get away with.....

    Also I re-emphasize the point that stock 100 series/80 series / 70 series (heavy duty) diffs all max out at around 4.1 / 4.3 ratios which even with 2UZ or 1FZ engines would only be effective wupto 33s / 35s. Anything bigger, you will have to regear the diffs with Toyota Dyna ring and pinion with ratios in the 5s and 6s which only match upto 40, 60, 70 and maybe 80 series diffs..... Alternatively you can import aftermarket ring andpinions for Toyota whatever diffs, but that is just obnoxiously expensive....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Well, I don't really know what more to say after my last post, but I would once again sound a note of caution before spending big bucks on the engine and gearbox if you actually plan to run those tires....

    If you actually plan on using the vehicle for long expeditions in Pakistan, anything bigger than 31 inch tires is an overkill in my view with 33s being the absolute limit you can get away with.....

    Also I re-emphasize the point that stock 100 series/80 series / 70 series (heavy duty) diffs all max out at around 4.1 / 4.3 ratios which even with 2UZ or 1FZ engines would only be effective wupto 33s / 35s. Anything bigger, you will have to regear the diffs with Toyota Dyna ring and pinion with ratios in the 5s and 6s which only match upto 40, 60, 70 and maybe 80 series diffs..... Alternatively you can import aftermarket ring andpinions for Toyota whatever diffs, but that is just obnoxiously expensive....
    Thanks for being a voice of sanity (to MY obviously somewhat misdirected zeal). Like I was saying Suhaib Sb, I would NOT run JUST the Swampers, since they'd probably end up killing me in terms of fuel bills, and would ultimately, be pointless for extended journeys on blacktop roads. The tyres I WOULD be using mostly, would be the 295/75/16 tyres I mentioned elsewhere. These are pretty big tyres, as tyres go...although nothing close to the 42 inch tyres, of course.

    The engine-gear-diff setup (as well as the body mods, SOA, shackle reversal et al) should be capable of being used for the Swampers AND somewhat "normal" tyres, too. If one of the Swampers bursts (which is perfectly conceivable), I would be incapable of finding a replacement, immediately. If the machine were set up JUST for the 42ers, in such an eventuality, I would be forced to use tyres for which the setup might be completely improper. For the machine to be built EXCLUSIVELY around a specific set of tyres, would make tyre accidents VERY costly indeed.

    Hence, my perceived need for the vehicle to be somewhat of an all-rounder (for lack of a better word). Yes...it needs to be lifted. By a LOT. It needs to be widened. By a LOT. Will it be exclusively geared and powered towards just the 42's? I don't think so. When 42's become common fare in Pakistan, perhaps we'll start building "specialised" vehicles, that way. Until that time, we'll probably continue to patch and interface our desires, with practicality, ease of use, economics, and availability.

    IS there a "middle way" for such a combination of wheel sizes (385/110/15 and 295/75/16), in your expert opinion? If so, I'd be very interested in hearing more of your views.

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    Just for comparison's sake, 295/75/16 translates into 31x10.5R16
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    Just for comparison's sake, 295/75/16 translates into 31x10.5R16
    295/75R16 is a very rare size and it roughly equates to 33.5X11.5R16. And comparitively it would be a much more user friendly size!


    And your 15/42-15LT tyre equates to 380/90-15

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    The power and torque figures for 2UZ vs 1FZ vs 1HD-FTE vs 1HZ are as follows

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    The outputs of these engine may vary a bit depending upon which geographical location they were intended for!

    Couldn't find graph for 1 HDT. But its specs are 165hp at 3400rpm and 360nm @ 1400rpm. (keep in mind the figures are deceptive, 2UZ has 350nm torque avaialble at idle, and 1FZ has 320nm at idle!)

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    @nn: Hugely informative post, Sir. Thanks!

    BTW...remind me to kill that Tyre Size Calculator on this thread, for getting the tyre conversion figures wrong.
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    As an aside, to the tyre issue...does anyone have any views / hands-on experience using Nitto (Japanese) tyres? I wish I had taken a photo of them, while I was trying them on for size, for posterity's sake.
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    Congrats. Keep it up


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    By the way, I also have super swampers the size is 38x15.5r16.5. pricey stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saaduk View Post
    Congrats. Keep it up


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    By the way, I also have super swampers the size is 38x15.5r16.5. pricey stuff.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/4x4...expected-tyres
    Thanks for the encouragement, Saad.

    Great looking FJ you have there.

    Having gone through your thread on the Super Swampers, I'm curious...did you actually install those tyres or not? If so, what were your experiences? Which vehicle did you eventually select as the recipient for those wheels? Did you require many modifications? What was the resultant drive like? Same engine setup, or different? Gearing?

    Inquisitive minds would like to know...LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    Thanks for the encouragement, Saad.

    Great looking FJ you have there.

    Having gone through your thread on the Super Swampers, I'm curious...did you actually install those tyres or not? If so, what were your experiences? Which vehicle did you eventually select as the recipient for those wheels? Did you require many modifications? What was the resultant drive like? Same engine setup, or different? Gearing?

    Inquisitive minds would like to know...LOL.

    Thank you sir for the comments. About the super swampers, I did install it in the BJ74 and the HDJ80 just to see how it looks but as it required even more height increase I removed it as the front tyres touched the inner walls and the bumper while steering. I ordered these tyres for my KZJ77 and also ordered 6" suspension lift kit but it required body lift as well so I dropped the idea. I am against bodylifting eventhough the above FJ I posted is 6" body lifted as you can see in the picture. I knew 1KZ is a very pathetic engine when it comes to everything so I had a engine swap in my mind already.
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    Thank you sir for the comments. About the super swampers, I did install it in the BJ74 and the HDJ80 just to see how it looks but as it required even more height increase I removed it as the front tyres touched the inner walls and the bumper while steering. I ordered these tyres for my KZJ77 and also ordered 6" suspension lift kit but it required body lift as well so I dropped the idea. I am against bodylifting eventhough the above FJ I posted is 6" body lifted as you can see in the picture. I knew 1KZ is a very pathetic engine when it comes to everything so I had a engine swap in my mind already.
    I can see how the oversized tyres would be troublesome that way. However, I think it'd be possible to fit them whilst having to rely on some jugaar here or there. Spring Over Axle (SOA) modification (as mentioned in SuhaibKiani's very helpful post), shackle reversal with slightly curved springs, suspension lift with extra long travel shocks, body lift at the body-frame juncture, etcetera, are just some of the options that come to mind. And then, there's an entire Pandora's box of body modifications / chops that can be used.

    Personally, I wouldn't want to tamper with the outward appearances of the body TOO much. And like I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I wouldn't want this vehicle to become custom-built "tyre-specific".

    Zaati taur pe, and for the sake of intellectual discussion, I'm still inclined towards the petrol engines (1FZ-FE, 2UZ, as mentioned by NN in his post). Whilst it may sound like a case of being penny wise and pound foolish, I see nothing wrong with this beast being fit with a CNG kit, for eating away the miles on blacktop roads (with at least a slight modicum of economy), whilst retaining the ability to switch to petrol, for those hardcore, extreme off-road occasions.

    And once again, the overwhelmingly useful thing about this thread (for me, at least) is that it's providing a wonderful stimulus / intellectual sounding board for a host of planned, calculated activities with this Punga I'm about to undertake.

    Thanks for your contribution, Saad!
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    Quick Update: The wheels have gone for some TLC. Rims are going to be buffed. Tyres are going to get a decent scrub / Son Of A Gun bath.

    At the same time, news on the engine quest is that a 2003 1FZ-FE engine has been tracked down, without the gearbox (which I've tracked down separately). The kabariya Haji Sb is asking for Rs. 300,000 for the engine. Any comments on the price from brothers who are more knowledgeable than I am, on such things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    ...................... a 2003 1FZ-FE engine has been tracked down, without the gearbox (which I've tracked down separately). The kabariya Haji Sb is asking for Rs. 300,000 for the engine...................
    Fouad, earlier in the year, had a chance to visit Peshawer and asking price at the time was 280,000 over there. The most recent 1FZ acquizition (2-3 months ago) by a fellow IJCian was in the form of front half cut so price cannot be judjed on that.

    By the way how have you confirmed its 2003??? The newer ones have a Black Top, well thats what they call it here, there is a black plastic top covering the spark plug wires etc. That one is having 224hp vs the 212hp and 387 vs 373 nm torque compared to earlier models. From memory the VVTi model with 240hp was limited to south american and possibly some african countries. Just make sure that all wiring looms and original computer etc are coming with it.

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    @nn: Boss, I don't know the engine's vintage for certain, since I haven't seen the engine, myself. Abhi tak tau sirf zubani jama kharch pe yakeen wali baat hai.

    I'm being told that the price hike is because of the sealing of the border, resulting in a reduced flow of engines from Afghanistan (a likely story!). The engine I'm talking about does include all the necessary wiring connections, fuel management computer, et al. It also includes the a/c compressor, the steering box, etcetera. It is without the gear, et al.

    The engine you saw in Peshawar, which was being quoted at Rs. 2.8 Lakh...what did it include?
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