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    Thumbs up IJC Rally Team Jhal 2011 Experience

    IJC Rally Team is back after participation in Jhal Magsi Desert Challenge 2011.

    We are all extremely grateful to Almighty for bringing us back safely and for his eternal blessings upon us!

    The participating team consisted of

    Nissan Patrol Pickup - Vehicle # 414 (Category A)
    Driver - Nadeem Naeem
    Navigator - Asad Marwat (My way or the highway)

    Toyota Landcruiser 40 series (4.0l V8 1UZ) - Vehicle # 411 (Category A)
    Driver - Suhaib Kiani
    Navigator - Farooq Awan

    Support Team
    Zafar, Siddique, Billu


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    People who have frequented IJC trip threads, will know I usually do a write up/ narrative / story. So here goes my story telling for this one ……………………


    Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn………………..what do I say???????????......................THIS RALLY BUG……………………is addictive to say the least! Desert devil and I were remembering our words after last years rally. Yaar this track is awful, real car breaker, its too cold at night, it’s too dusty, it’s too far (return journey of 26 hours driving continuously) and anyway we have done it, so it’s like “been there, done that”. So conclusion was that it was our first and last Jhal Magsi Rally participation. Now here comes in the true meaning of ADDICTION! The moment it was announced for this year we both said, I am going………………DEFINITELY!!! ;p .

    As usual many petrol heads from IJC wanted to go n participate, but the time, the effort, the preparation and resourses required to get is all done meant that only two could eventually make it. Both I and Desert Devil have participated in rallies previously, but it was Suhaib’s first! We had continuously been baiting and tempting (and it worked!) to join us on rallies ever since he put in the monster UZi in his FJ40.

    The rally preps require a long time and ideally should be carried out well in advance, but and that’s a big BUT……………….we NEVER LEARN. So it was all done almost at the last minute. Well not ALL was done! The snorkel that I bought before last years Jhal rally to put on and it couldn’t be fitted because of shortage of time last year……………well guess what?.............we didn’t have time for it this year either!!!! It is still lying on the floor in my store! And don’t ask me what was I doing the whole one year in-between! Anyway, here I must appreciate and thnx Ali Zafar (charged) for his two days to finalize the preparation of my NPP.

    Asad’s Pajero’s electrical / mechanical fireworks just a few days before meant that we did not have time for getting it all sorted in time and hence plan was dropped to enter it in the rally and it was decided that Asad would be my navigator. I am sure we will hear Suhaib’s side of preparatory disasters as well in due course.

    After all last minute, rather last second preps being done…………..both NPP and UZi were finally loaded onto trailer for transport to Sukkar on Tuesday last. (takes approx 48 hours to reach there). Asad and I had contemplated different scenarios for travelling to Sukkar, but the long drive back between just two drivers put us off, and we decided to travel by Daewoo Express to Sukkar and return journey would be by PIA flight!

    It was my first ever experience of Daewoo travelling and it was some travelling…………….. almost 18 hours of journey. Both Asad n me are not very good sleepers, so we were dreading it a lot. But as it is, with the excitement of rally and all it wasn’t too bad. We did have a blown rear right tyre of the Bus at 120kmph on the M2 motorway, but as the bus has two wheels on each side in the rear, it was not so dramatic apart from loud bang and air hissing sound. We stopped only to check if the 2nd tyre was ok, and the driver continued for next 80 odd km at slower speed of 75-80kmph till we reached Faisalabad Daewoo workshop where it was swiftly replaced. But overall it did cost us 90 minutes extra for slower speeds and the detour into Faisalabad city.

    Just 15-20km from Sukkar we saw the trailer with our vehicles also heading steadily towards Sukkar. After getting off at the Bus Stop we took a rickshaw to the trailer Adda, and within 15-20 minutes of us reaching there the trailer arrived as well. Our vehicles were offloaded and than we had lunch. After that we waited for Suhaib and his crew to arrive.

    From Sukkar we left in a small convoy of three vehicles heading towards our final destination JHAL MAGSI. Progress was steady, we were constantly in touch with Sutlej 4X4 club for directions, hoping to join them so we can travel together in Dark as a large convoy of 10+ vehicles. The area is notorious for mishaps etc. On the way there were some long flat stretches of nicely paved bitumen and lets just say for the purpose of checking high speed stability, both NPP and UZi did some high speed runs over 150kmph, obviously UZi would snarl past growling when ever it chose! But I was pleased with improved acceleration response from NPP with reduced weight (courtesy removal of rear dala) and even felt reassuringly planted at 160kmph. Siddique was having hard time keeping up in Lancer.

    Eventually with large convoy we proceeded briskly towards Jhal, reaching around 8pm. Many participants were already at the camp and had placed camps etc. We also occupied two camps and unloaded the vehicles. After the Buffet dinner meal both I and Asad were off to bed by 11pm. I was off to sleeping lands before long despite plenty chattering going on in neighbouring camps. However despite hardly getting any sleep in Daewoo travel the night before, Asad had trouble getting to sleep, owing to loud snoring sounds with almost growling effect form the surrounding camps. And I kid you not, there were several snoring patterns with almost engine missing and hick-up styles. During the night it was cold enough for me to wake up at 4 and decide that after all the second sleeping bag does need to be lined in as well to get comfy, there after I was comfy for remaining sleep.

    Next morning we had a slow start, orienting ourselves in the rally village after breakfast, than we got our vehicles registered, paid fees, got the technical inspection done and finally numbers allocated. Than it was time for leaving for the course recce. We started off later than planned, around 12:30pm. The course recce went slowly but steadily, we took pics n made vdos on the way. The course was significantly worse and rougher compared to last year. We did make notes on the way, but both Asad and I remembered most of it reasonably well from last year.

    Along the course we crossed the beautiful Molaan River, where lunch was hosted on its bank. It was a nice break from the harshness of track ride. However when we left it was getting dark and both dawn n dusk are the worst times in Jhal as the dust just hangs in the air, visibility for last 15 odd km was mostly less than 20 yards so we hardly could make anything of the track current situation. Not sure how many notes did Suhaib take of the track but we were reasonably happy with what to expect. A second recce would have been even better, but we wanted to save our suspension from serious pounding, considering we were using stock springs and shocks. The tyre pressure we decided on was 25psi (cold) for the race and 30 psi for the qualifying which is on flat dirt track with no bumps etc.

    After reaching back in the camp, it was chit chat time with various rallying friends, Qasim Saidhi as usual had a very nice tea / coffee stall setup in his tent where we had good gup shup. Met several other Rally petrol heads as well. Finally around 9pm the drivers meeting started and general rules and requirements were discussed. Than the draw for qualifying was done by balloting and we were 8th out on the track. Suhaib’s number was close to 2/3rd of list. Finally after the buffet dinner, we hit the sack. After 2 nights of poor sleep, Asad slept like a log and I also had pretty decent sleep. The music and singing outside at bonfire made no difference. Even the snoring / growling were almost non-existent to our ears. Next morning we were up before 7. I emptied the car fully of almost all extra items. The recce had left us with just more than ΒΌ tank of fuel which was ideal for qualifying. Had a light breakfast and we headed to the qualifying track around 9am.

    Our turn came and as usual we were allowed one recce lap before hand and we attempted that with good speed. The exact distance of qualifying lap is not known, probably slightly shorter than last year as every ones fastest time was a bit quicker compared to last year. My actual qualifying lap went well, we were fairly quick, possibly one or two small corrections could have made it even quicker. For a long time we remained 6th fastest only behind Evos and a Vigo 3.0. However later on, the track lines almost diminished and some of the later contestants unfortunately misused the track to fullest getting surprisingly fast times. (There was a lot of heated discussion regarding it that evening in the drivers meeting, but nothing could be agreed upon and finally the firing order was declared and we started out 12th out of 53 participants).

    Suhaib took it steady during qualifying, making sure he posted a time and came back safely. There was only one casualty of qualifying, in fact pre-qualifying lap by a rookie in a LR Defender 90. He was un-harmed but vehicle was significantly damaged in the roll over, and could not carry on any further.

    After qualifying we headed back for the Rally village for lunch + relaxing + final tweaks etc. My rear luggage tray was slamming quite hard during jumps during recce, so we decided to remove it. We put back some of the essential items back in NPP which may be required during the rally but were removed for weight reduction during qualifying. Tyre pressures were checked. Various fluid levels were checked. New Air-Filter was placed, battery holder nuts etc were checked and seat belts were taped up adequately so they wouldn’t over tighten during the rally (Zohaib would know about this bit!) Discussed driving n navigation plan with Asad.

    Went to Jhal town in early evening to get some snacks and extra water to be carried during rally for emergency breakdown scenario. Got high pressure air clean up of cabin to get rid of some of the dust inside. Taped up the CD player. Secured all lose items inside the cabin.

    Around 08:30pm the qualifying results were put up and drivers meeting commenced with some heated discussions followed by dinner. Finally after midnight it was bed time and for me it wasn’t too bad a night. Did expect some anxiety / excitement but had taken a sleeping pill and felt well rested when I got up at 06:30 the next morning.

    My race start time was 9:44 and Suhaib’s was 11:40. I had sent my camera bag with support vehicle for fuel etc to mid break point at 09:30am, so there aren’t going to be any still shots of my launch, but I think Suhaib does have a vdo of the launch. We had some interviews taken by various channels. Asad n I sat quietly, reciting duas and focusing on race ahead. Surprisingly didn’t feel any anxiety or nervousness at start line either.

    The start went to plan, the 4X4 usage, the gear choice went mostly as predicted and planned. Made no major mistakes in first stage, no significant off-track excursion either. The track was very rough when tackled at full speed, the rear of NPP had no weight so as soon as we entered the rocky section we had few nasty surprises awaiting us. Had kept my belt very slightly lose and consequently banged my head around several time, thankfully all were adequately soaked by the helmet. We were frequently doing front wheel drive only on many bumps because of high kick backs of rear axle!!!

    Halfway into first stage we came across first casualty, Ashraf Sbs Evo had rolled to the side on a sharp turn, despite adequate warning I near banged into him due to lose surface. We heard plenty loud bangs of rocks n stones hitting various parts of NPP but we pressed ahead full throttle. In hindsight lesser air pressure in rear tyres and maybe one more leafspring taken out would have tamed the rear high kicks of NPP. Still I was fairly pleased with my time of arrival at stage break. It was over 9 minutes quicker compared to last year’s time. And I was 8th fastest of all participants in stage 1 of the rally!

    At stage break a quick check revealed that the supporting Jugaar for holding the fuel tank pipe had completely broken off and the rubber pipe was just flying around on its own. Was extremely lucky that the pipe didn’t rip or we would surely have run out of fuel. Also the rear spare tyre holding frame had bent in mid, due to frequent high kicks at the back. So ropes and bungee cords were used all round to secure everything and than we changed the air filter to a new one.

    During second stage we had plenty high speed flat runs, however compared to Friday’s recce the surface was so much more lose due to excessive use during recce and runs by most drivers. So places where we comfortably hit 145kmph during recce and didn’t go any faster to preserve our suspension. During race day we could hardly hit 145 once or twice as NPP’s rear felt very light and was moving around like mad requiring frequent counter steer corrections. Which I must say at those speeds are not very confidence inspiring.

    On few occasions we had off track excursions more than 50feet out. But by the grace of Allah, we managed to retain control and hit the track back safely! From hearsay, all Evos and Nadir’s TLC were doing around 180 in those stretches. Even the chipped 3.0 Vigo’s were doing 160+. Doing 180 is simply not possible with 200 odd horses produced by NPP, especially on off-road track, it can maybe hit 170 on clear road, so may be 150-160 was possible on dirt track if we had a more stable rear. Anyway, no complains what so ever, NPP behaved beautifully, It is probably still as stock as it gets in the rally scene. Rear Dala removal and front double tokico shocks are not truly performance enhancing mods. Only briefly during Molaan river crossing I could not get the engine revs up, so crossed water really slowly, but once out it seemed to be back to normal self fairly quickly.

    And so we got to the end, safe n sound by the grace of Almighty. The second stage time was bit lacking because we were lagging behind on top speeds. But still I feel pretty satisfied, that we were ahead of 4 chipped 3.0l Vigos which are producing power in excess of 200hp. Needless to say all these Vigos have suspension costing huge sums of money! My overall race time was 14 minutes faster compared to last years time over similar distance (193km). The average speed for me over the distance was 78kmph, up 6kmph compared to last years average (72kmph).

    Even now I can hear the echo of Asad’s constant commenst……..right , left, push, floor it, change gear red-line and most frequently “good good good, theek ho giya” after every high speed drift or when we successfully managed to avoid any mishaps from nasty tail outs! I should probably say here I have most likely done more drifts and tail out during this rally weekend compared to my previous total driving!

    We found out our time straight away, now it was just a long wait till all else finished to know our final standing. The adrenaline had finally eased off, we headed back to the camp for a quick wash under the tube well. Eventually had some lunch. We waited for Suhaib to finish his race, and Mashaallah he came back in good time. As predicted He n Farooq were full of dust and were un-recognizable. He seemed very pleased with how things went. It’s a proud moment for any driver to successfully complete one of the most gruelling rallies imaginable!

    We had decided we would stay till final prize ceremony was over. In the mean time we had all packed our stuff, I put back the luggage carrier on back of NPP and tied everything on it. We got drivers shields of participation. Got our pictures taken. And finally after dinner we left Jhal around 11:30pm in a convoy with 3 of our vehicles, and 4-5 of MRC (Multan Racing club) and an ORAD TLC100 with Sohail Sarwar Sb and Mujahid Zafar Sb. MRC gang had their adrenaline pumping high as one of their vehicles secured 1st in B category and they were travelling at speeds over 130kmph at that time of night. We had to request them to slow down as it was difficult to keep up with them. Suhaib’s TLC is front screen less and moreover his front light stopped working so they were using an auxiliary light from cigarette lighter socket to see their way.

    Our original plan was to catch a PIA flight from Sukkar back to Islamabad with rally vehicles loaded onto trailer. Unfortunately the PIA flight was cancelled for un-known reasons and we were informed by PIA about it on Saturday night. So Asad n I had to return back via Daewoo Bus from Sukkar again. Neither of us was looking forward to the 16-18 hour return from Sukkar to Islamabad. More over we didn’t even know when we would get a place in Daewoo at Sukkar. And than God had mercy on us, when we were dissing PIA for cancelling the flight, Mujahid Bhai offered that we should come with them as they are heading Lahore and we can than catch a Daewoo from Lahore.

    In some ways I must thank PIA for cancelling the flight because the return journey in the TLC with Mujahid and Sohail bhai was not only very comfy but extremely memorable. They are simply great travelling companion with wicked sense of humour. The 12 hour journey passed easily with us napping, joking around and driving in turns. Sohail bhai's TLC has 1HD-FTE fitted with DP Chip (performance) and it had awesome torque and lovely exhaust sound. And despite raised suspension its handling was very precise, both Asad n I enjoyed driving it.

    From Sukkar Suhaib was travelling on Lancer but they took a different route as they wanted to visit Usama on the way. At Lahore we said our goodbyes at the Daewoo station and got on 7pm bus reaching RWP at 11:45 reaching home after mid night. A journey of 26 hours nearly, really tiring overall. It had been a truly knackering 5 and bit days. Once I got home and the adrenaline died down, I just sat down and thought about how we had just done all that!

    A special mention is needed here for Qasim Saidhi for his 2nd place overall in the rally behind Nadir Magsi. Who knows, if he hadn’t had to drive last 15 odd km with flat left front tire he may have been the first to beat Nadir in the last few years. Its worth remembering, Qasim is a rookie in the Class A category this year and was a previous winner in category D in 2009. Well done Qasim, you will surely achieve many more excellent results. I am sure Rizwan Buttar is gonna age quick, while navigating Qasim with such dizzying fast driving speeds! Rizwan has an excellent photographic eye and has captured some real gems in this rally. I am sure he will share some of his capture here as well.

    It was very nice to have chats with Mitsuman (Osman) during the rally weekend. My question to him remains, that out of his huge stable of some truly gorgeous mitsu machines, he chose to bring the slowest and oldest of the lot to compete in the Rally, WHYYYYY? Still he finished the rally although not at any exciting speed or time.

    My thnx to all the other friends that we met in the rally village for all the gupshup and halla gulla.
    Of course special thnx to my partner in crime Asad for all the support and help during this tremendous trip. Also many thnx to Suhaib for joining us in this awesome experience. Suhaib, against all odds managed to get his Concordia ready and chose to compete in Jhal come what may, am sure he will regard this rally as one of the most memorable events of his life. Not to forget our support crew and all their help and their patience in putting up with our demands….Many thnx all!

    Finally, am extremely grateful to Almighty for granting us these opportunities, for his blessings upon us and for bringing us back safely from these crazy adventures to relatively saner worlds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    By the way, Doctor Saab...have you surveyed what was the win / place / DNF status for petrols vs diesels?

    Inquisitive minds would LOVE to know!

    Here you go!

    Must say it makes oil burners look rather good!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    Fantastic action pictures!

    And kudos, on a great result.

    From the look of things (the obscene amounts of dust, etc), air intake and overheating would appear to be the most seizing problem for the Jhal Magsi Rally. I wonder if snorkel arrangements, and radiator modifications would address that problem. The terrain appears to be generally flat, and looks to offer decent traction, thereby cutting down the need for oversized tyres. I think tyre pressure must be vital on certain legs of the rally, rather than a requirement for energy-sapping bigfoot wheels.

    I also wonder about the requirement for turbochargers. As to whether or not the additional requirement for air intake would adversely affect their usage, rather than be an advantage.

    And finally, given the general lie of terrain (which I've had the good fortune to see, first hand), I bet a straight line speed, rather than outright ability for tight manoeuvring would be more handy.

    Anyways...great going, guys!

    Fouad.
    Thnx!

    Snorkles, well, they are fitted by most participants, me being almost the exception. I think the ones with auto transmissions were also using double oil coolers etc. Overheating otherwise was probably not an issue for petrol vehicles, did hear one or two diesel vehicle drivers mentioning rising temps in high speed section (doing 150-160kmph or so). Stock 1FZ100 didn't have any issues doing 140+ with intermittent AC use in cholistan 2010.

    Tyres, big tyres are not needed in rallies, Suhaibs 33" were the biggest and they merely served to dampen the bumps to an extent. Bigger tyres means higher centre of gravity so stability can be an issue at high speeds. Most people were using 31s, I have 32s and Nadir Magsi's TLC had similar. Some were using 30s as well.

    Tyre pressures, most were using 24-26psi cold, again suhaib being the exception with 15psi I think, again to have a dampened ride!

    Turbochargers, well, all diesels are turbo charged and all petrols were normally aspirated. Nadir's TLC with 1HDT has reputedly a large Garrett Turbo system making 300+ horses. All Vigo's have 1KD 3.0 D4-D engines and almost all are chipped and depending upon the year /version/variant they produce between 180-210 horses, not to mention the enormous torque jump as well. So if one can fit a proper forced induction system on petrols here, it would indeed be a very fast solution!!!

    More Top Speeedddd!!!! Every body wanted that, we lagged on top speed to almost all category A vehicles (all 250+bhp, vs 200) and it explains our most of time difference. Yes there are plenty high speed sections be it Jhal or cholistan so yes MORE POWWWEEERRRRR for higher top speeds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    ...The terrain appears to be generally flat, and looks to offer decent traction, thereby cutting down the need for oversized tyres....

    Fouad.
    Fouad Sb. Firstly many thanks for the wonderfully insightful comments. I will try to add some thoughts based on my experience of a one time rally goer albeit with significant "internet racing" and a little jeep/4x4 experience.

    While the Jhal terrain has to be best discussed in particular sections, The "decent traction on the flat ground" is probably one of them Jhal illusions. The Jhal dirt/dust on the flat terrain was best described by someone as boric powder a carrom board. I remember Farooq adding to that by saying that it was boric powder in most places and dental powder (that we use for our desi carrom boards) in some places. All the cars would be found excessively drifting/tailing out on the turns in ways unimaginable to most drivers not experienced with this style of driving! Unfortunately, this cannot be explained or understood without appropriate video examples and is not highlighted well through GoPro style in-car footage. I believe Anas Khakwani's Jhal drifting qoute (somewhere on the thread) is very relevant here.

    In light of the above, I would think that larger tires do assist cars that need them here like SWB Jeep CJs, FJ40s and probably even Wranglers. These are solid axle, short wheel base, high centered vehicles which would inherently be topple friendly in this environment at high speeds. Case in point is the red CJ5 from Quetta which had two rollovers during the rally (during recce and on raceday) luckily both without injury to participants thanks to good external cage! While you could put it down to a lot of things, I would think that all things equal, in my experience it is be slightly more difficult to topple over a CJ5 running 33x12.5s rather than 31x10.5s as in this case.....

    However, yes on the Pajeros, Jimnys which are more stable and obviously better suited to this terrain and application large tires could essentially be viewed as a drag. Nevertheless, even that view can probably shift if you visualize putting something like a Supra twin turbo into a stock Pajero or a 3S-GT into a Jimny....

    Anyways, I think thats enough of internet racing for the day at my end Thanks again for the comment!
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    Here you go!

    Must say it makes oil burners look rather good!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Fouad Sb. Firstly many thanks for the wonderfully insightful comments. I will try to add some thoughts based on my experience of a one time rally goer albeit with significant "internet racing" and a little jeep/4x4 experience.

    While the Jhal terrain has to be best discussed in particular sections, The "decent traction on the flat ground" is probably one of them Jhal illusions. The Jhal dirt/dust on the flat terrain was best described by someone as boric powder a carrom board. I remember Farooq adding to that by saying that it was boric powder in most places and dental powder (that we use for our desi carrom boards) in some places. All the cars would be found excessively drifting/tailing out on the turns in ways unimaginable to most drivers not experienced with this style of driving! Unfortunately, this cannot be explained or understood without appropriate video examples and is not highlighted well through GoPro style in-car footage. I believe Anas Khakwani's Jhal drifting qoute (somewhere on the thread) is very relevant here.

    In light of the above, I would think that larger tires do assist cars that need them here like SWB Jeep CJs, FJ40s and probably even Wranglers. These are solid axle, short wheel base, high centered vehicles which would inherently be topple friendly in this environment at high speeds. Case in point is the red CJ5 from Quetta which had two rollovers during the rally (during recce and on raceday) luckily both without injury to participants thanks to good external cage! While you could put it down to a lot of things, I would think that all things equal, in my experience it is be slightly more difficult to topple over a CJ5 running 33x12.5s rather than 31x10.5s as in this case.....

    However, yes on the Pajeros, Jimnys which are more stable and obviously better suited to this terrain and application large tires could essentially be viewed as a drag. Nevertheless, even that view can probably shift if you visualize putting something like a Supra twin turbo into a stock Pajero or a 3S-GT into a Jimny....

    Anyways, I think thats enough of internet racing for the day at my end Thanks again for the comment!
    LOL. I loved the boric / dental analogy. And so true, too.

    My experience in "racing" in Balochistan, has been in an area to the extreme west of the province, in the Hamun-e-Mashkel region, which is a vast salt flat / flood pane in the proximity of the Pak-Iran border. This was mostly done, by chasing narcotics smugglers in 1FZ-FE powered FZJ79s, whilst we'd be trailing them in 1HZ powered FZJ79s. And when I mean "trailing" I mean trailing! Because these unscrupulous gentlemen would blast into nothingness with those petrol powered monsters, leaving us oil-burners far behind in their wake. The sands of Mashkel were pretty much as you describe it, Suhaib Saab. Flat, clayey, powdery, and enormously uninterrupted. Think of a 100 kilometer long strip of unbroken flat terrain! This would be interspersed with occasional "patches" of stony terrain, which would have a different weight bearing capacity altogether. Of course, sporadic dunes and stretches of loose, wind-blown sand would also be encountered.

    A rather nifty jugaar of the smugglers was later discovered by us, to consist of an impromptu onboard compressor...via the a/c. The vehicles would have a length of pipe attached to the a/c's compressor, with which they'd quickly inflate, or deflate tyre pressure according to the patch which they'd be negotiating. Plus, the possibility of "tailing out" would be reduced by keeping lower profile leaf springs (NEVER coil springs) with bump stops, and making sure that the rear of the FZJ79 would be laden with things (mostly, in the region of 1.5 to 2 tons of opium). In a more or less straight line, I've seen these wizards fly in the +180 km/h speed, whilst weaving around hostile fire. Which speaks volumes unto itself about their incredible driving skills, and "feel" for the terrain. And even UNDER fire...when the terrain would dictate they readjust tyre pressure, they WOULD. Cool as a cucumber, they'd whip out the pipe, add a few more psi, return fire, wave at us, and then take off, again.

    Our drivers, whilst incredibly talented, would NEVER cater for such thinking on their feet. So, whilst they would invariably close the gap sometimes, whilst the smugglers would be changing their air pressure, we would discover WHY they'd stopped to do so, after a few kilometres, after we'd bog down, or be incapable of matching them speed-for-speed.

    On the subject of tyres, THE most popular tyre of choice for the smugglers were VERY ordinary looking. Slim, slender, regular sized, with a straight-patterned tread. Made by Dunlop, if I remember correctly. Almost like aeroplane tyres, if you understand my analogy. I have a set at home (came with my FZJ79) and they are SO nondescript and ordinary looking, that they were the FIRST thing I got rid of, when I bought the vehicle. So...that's also QUITE surprising to those of us, who spend time agonising over sidewall height, tread pattern, aspect ratios, and the like.

    Anyways...those were my reasons for the suggestion that variable / adaptive tyre pressure in Jhal Magsi / Cholistan must be fairly important.

    As a happy postscript, on a few lucky occasions, we DID manage to get hold of the b**tards. My own 2003 FZJ79, which I bought when it'd been auctioned off to some buyer, was one of those very lucky occasions!

    GREAT thread. I'm lovin' it!

    P.S. @nn and @SuhaibKiani: Are you gentlemen planning on going next year?
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    More Top Speeedddd!!!! Every body wanted that, we lagged on top speed to almost all category A vehicles (all 250+bhp, vs 200) and it explains our most of time difference. Yes there are plenty high speed sections be it Jhal or cholistan so yes MORE POWWWEEERRRRR for higher top speeds!
    @nn: Sir, you are a VERY bad man, for making me want to switch a perfectly wonderful 1FZ-FE engine, with a 2UZ-FE monster!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    On the subject of tyres, THE most popular tyre of choice for the smugglers were VERY ordinary looking. Slim, slender, regular sized, with a straight-patterned tread. Made by Dunlop, if I remember correctly. Almost like aeroplane tyres, if you understand my analogy. I have a set at home (came with my FZJ79) and they are SO nondescript and ordinary looking, that they were the FIRST thing I got rid of, when I bought the vehicle. So...that's also QUITE surprising to those of us, who spend time agonising over sidewall height, tread pattern, aspect ratios, and the like.
    Many Thanks for the detailed account of these smuggling vehicles and application, very interesting to say the least.

    Yes, tire pressure doth make a huge difference and the Jhal terrain does demand an onboard air inflation system to be honest as you go from the dirt (10%) to the rocks (10%) to the very soft sand (10%) back to dirt (40%) and rocks (20%) and dirt again (10%)....

    On the tires, I guess we have previously pondered over the logic of why the UN uses simple treads on their TLCs and the Army prefers simple treads and now the Balochistan smugglers don't give a rats hoot about Yokos and BFGs. Nevertheless, my opinion at this stage is that good rubber is good rubber and while the difference between good and mediocre tires may not be astronomical during the good/normal times (while the price difference probably will be), its actually when the going gets really tough/tricky that the difference only emerges in an "in your face" way....
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    Congratulations NN Sahab and Suhaib Sahab! Great pictures and even greater accomplishments!
    Btw NN Sahab, it was i who bumped into you outside your clinic two nights ago. Apologies for my attire, was enroute to the gym with a friend who had to pick up some blood reports

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    I must say that having recently forked out an obscene amount of cash on a diesel engine, THIS post, makes me feeling like doing a victory dance, in joy!
    Don't let me inturrupt in your dance of Joy!

    1HZ is a truely khota engine, and you can even source a proper bolt on supercharger or turbo charger once Phantom is up n running!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Don't let me inturrupt in your dance of Joy!

    1HZ is a truely khota engine, and you can even source a proper bolt on supercharger or turbo charger once Phantom is up n running!
    Boss, mein ne bola na...you're a very bad influence, indeed. Pehle mere dhiyaan ko 1FZ-FE se "more power" ki taraf mabzool karaya...aur ab Supercharger ki baat kar rahe hain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    ......................................
    On the subject of tyres, THE most popular tyre of choice for the smugglers were VERY ordinary looking. Slim, slender, regular sized, with a straight-patterned tread. Made by Dunlop, if I remember correctly. Almost like aeroplane tyres, if you understand my analogy. I have a set at home (came with my FZJ79) and they are SO nondescript and ordinary looking, that they were the FIRST thing I got rid of, when I bought the vehicle......................

    P.S. @nn and @SuhaibKiani: Are you gentlemen planning on going next year?
    @ Fouad, I may be wrong here, but most likely the tyres you are talking about are proper sand tyres and if they are, they can do wonders in desert sands. Though they are not for racing, because lateral handling is not that great.

    I have only driven Suhaib's UZi some time ago very briefly on road, so can't say how it handles now, but for me higher tyres mean less lateral stability, maybe the increased width gives the reassurance.

    You described high speed chases in Baluchistan in wide open spaces and mostly straight line runs. Well, Jhal was mostly 10-20 feet wide track, which seems a lot narrowerer at high speeds. And usually off the track means a lot lot more bumps / small ditches and strong possibility of roll over.

    My NPP is almost a semi-clone of your FZJ79, though its a bit more car like to drive in comparison (have driven HZJ79 both 2005 and 2008 model, briefly). If you are interested in trying out your Daala (I call mine that) in cholistan, you will need to shed awful lot of weight-off for it to be competitive. Just taking off the rear bed improved our timing by nearly 14 minutes at Jhal! For me, next time round the front steel bumper needs to come off and engine hood needs to be replaced with light fibre glass cover! Some quaters even suggested getting front mudguards replaced with fibreglass molds!

    Your engine querry, 1FZ vs 2UZ, don't! The 2UZ you will get here is older specs, and thats only 230-235bhp, and 410nm torque. So yes its more powerful, but just a bit more (1FZ = 224hp 387nm). If you get hold of newer 2UZ (vvti version) came in 2006 onwards model, thats 265hp 435nm, that I would recommend you to go for. Better yet find a 1UR (340hp, 460nm). Having said that electronics in these monsters are beyond our local ustaads and hence reliability sword hangs over constantly!

    PS; Yes we will be there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PunjabiMc View Post
    Congratulations NN Sahab and Suhaib Sahab! Great pictures and even greater accomplishments!
    Btw NN Sahab, it was i who bumped into you outside your clinic two nights ago. Apologies for my attire, was enroute to the gym with a friend who had to pick up some blood reports
    Ooi, munday punjabia, lagta hai, you haven't seen this thread properly (read....watched pics of my attire during the trip) otherwise you wouldn't be apologizing for your attire.

    Thnx and yes it was nice meeting (very briefly) you as well!

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