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    Default The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi

    Well, how can I even begin to tell, the tale is long and one always struggles with words when Doctor NN is missing. To make an attempt at laying out the story, which is a bit overdue (though not without benefits of better media coverage) but nevertheless is worthy of doing justice to. ….

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9832
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally organized by TDCP is the biggest and the most prestigious event on the Pakistan offroad and motorsport calendar. The rally was not held last year primarily on account of crowd security concerns and this year it was being eagerly anticipated by enthusiasts and participants following a very successful Jhal Magsi rally in late 2011. So the 7th Cholistan Jeep Rally held on February 16th -19th turned out to be a landmark event with the organizers assisted by Mr Mehmood Majeed (Bhawalpur 4x4 Club) managed to pulled a fast one on the participants with a major re-designing of the track. Over 70 vehicles participated in the hugely successful event that spanned over 4 days with registration/technical inspection in Bahawalpur on the 16th followed by recce/pre-running, qualification and race days. A very large number of spectators and enthusiasts from all over the country came to the Derawar Fort in Bahawalpur which serves as the starting and finishing point of the rally.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10241
    There has always been great enthusiasm at the Islamabad Jeep Club for the Cholistan Rally ever since the last adventure by Doc NN and DesertDevil Asad Marwat. This year, with Doc NN missing from the register, two IJC vehicles had been registered to enter the rally: Asad’s Mitsubishi Pajero and yours truly on the IJC Project FJ40 Concordia. Unfortunately on the last minute, Asad Marwat could not attend the event on account of the sudden death of a close family member. Apart from sharing Asad’s grief this was obviously a significant setback for us as Asad is always instrumental in all rally aspects and we felt kinda lost as we were starting out. Our new hosts for the event were Team Evo Saidhi lead by our old friend, Qasim Saidhi who accommodated us next to their camp and helped us get comfortable with the terrain and the surroundings of Cholistan. Our good friend, Adnan Siddiqui on his Hilux Vigo was the other participant from Islamabad.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10041
    By way of a race summary, Nadir Magsi took the category A and overall podium on his Toyota Tacoma which was running a turbo charged 1GR 4.0L V6. Ronnie Patel’s modified Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution suffered engine failure in the second half after reportedly leading the race at mid point. Anas Khakwani and Zafar Magsi took Category A and overall second and third positions respectively in Mitsubishi Pajero Evolutions. In the Hilux Vigo dominated category B, Bahawalpur’s own Makhdum Amir Abbas took first in on a while Awais Khakwani stood second and Jam Kamal Khan third. The very competitive Category C saw Mehrab Khan on his Hilux Vigo on the podium with Mehmood Majeed second on a beautifully styled Hilux Vigo. Ali Magsi on a Nissan Patrol took a hard fought third place edging out Mian Shabir Bhurjundiwalley’s Suzuki Jimny and Syed Asif Imam’s Mitsubishi Pajero. Category D, always a Suzuki Jumny affair saw Mian Rafiq Ahmed take first, Khan Muhammad second and Mian Zubair Ahmed taking third just getting past Ghulam Hussain Sharr.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9963
    The race saw around 40% of the a total 70 participating vehicles not being able to reach the finish line mainly on account of a major re-design of the race track across the sands of the Cholistan desert. This year’s track in addition to involving negotiation of a number of very tall sand dunes with soft sand, largely did away with the traditional Cholistan straight runs across in favour of small winding tracks through much of the 210 km distance. Most drivers categorized the track as very demanding with greater stress on vehicle suspensions than previous Cholistan rallies. The traditional Cholistani variation and deterioration in the track with the progress of the race apparently played in significantly with the majority of the later starting vehicles suffering. The two soft sand dunes prior to stage break appear to have been a major hurdle with several vehicles getting stuck and half of the Jimny pack ending up with DNFs.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9960
    In that respect the starting order determined by the previous day’s qualification round was important albeit not as decisive as in Jhal Magsi where dust factor renders overtaking virtually impossible. This year’s qualification track was mainly the same as previous rallies though slightly shorter at around 2.4kms long. The track was a combination of deep sand runs and whoops and having gotten an early draw our FJ40 Concordia made the best of its power advantage to register a good time of 2 1. Ronnie Patel was fastest in the middle of the pack at 1:44 up until Nadir Magsi put up 1:38 on the board to claim pole position. Qasim Saidhi also put up an impressive 1:51 despite having landed nose down with slight damage to his Evo in the mid track whoops on his first recce run. Perhaps the performances of the day were by the Khakwanis with Awais registering 1:51 on his Vigo despite a front tire coming off the bead on the last turn and Anas closing at 1:50 on his Evo. Adnan Siddiqui and Rahid Abdullah were exceptional with 2 1 on a B category Vigo and C category Triton respectively.

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    For the experienced rally campaigner and our good friend Qasim Saidhi, it would actually be the first time crossing the Cholistan finish line after disappointments in previous attempts. Following his recent podium finishes in Jhal Magsi and Nooriabad and his past accolades as a category D Jimny driver, Qasim has come to be considered the man to watch with his multi-talented navigator Rizwan Buttar’s calm assistance. Qasim finished 5th in Category A after a flat tire slowing him down along with managing to get stuck on the sand dunes twice. It was encouraging to see that his very well prepared Mitsubishi Evolution had been sponsored by ZIC and PTCL Evo for the race. We are truly thankful to Qasim, Rizwan and their crew for hosting us and helping us throughout the event, without which we probably would have not have made it out there and participated in the event.
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9833
    As for us, the IJC Rally Team Concordia which set out to do something no one though was worth doing or even doable as such: race a restored/modified FJ40 at Cholistan and put up a competitive showing despite low-budgets and second hand parts. In our first sandy desert outing, after an early draw and strong showing at qualification, we started the race a 17th off of a competitive grid of over 70 participants. Right after the start, we got somewhat distracted negotiating the tremendous crowd and made a silly navigational error that cost us over 30 minutes. Keeping our pace together after that was not easy but having been released of any tension to lodge a competitive finishing time, we ended up trying a number of cocky things from sideways drifting, long air jumps to short ballistic runs pushing the limits of the car. We were making good progress despite our second-hand shocks fading away fast up until we managed to get stuck on the first sand dune. In our attempts to dig our tires out of the sand, we stumbled upon a very agile sand serpent emerging from under the front tire to register his appreciation of the sexy BFG MTs. After pushing the car out with the help of some spectators, we followed a steady pace to the finish line though still losing some time on account of minor mechanical issues. So in the end, while we may not have a podium finish to show for our adventure, together with having qualified 17th , matched top speed of 150kmph with some of fastest cars and having finished the race and we can pen it down as a significant achievement on our part given limitations. We did gather more media footage than perhaps ever available on any recent rally in Pakistan.




    In the end, while offroad racing all over the world remains a dangerous and expensive sport, with the grace of the Almighty, offroad rallies in Pakistan have maintained a good safety record for both participants and spectators despite budgetary constraints, organization difficulties and limited sponsor support. This year saw a healthy increase in sponsorships with RedBull, Zong, PTCL, PSO, Toyota, Guard and others highlighting their brands through official support to participants. Another focus of Pakistan rally promoters is to focus on international participation and for the future IJC Team Concordia is also looking actively to build our existing partnership with the Pheonix 4405 Land Use Buggy based out of California USA.
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10145

    Photo & Video Credits: Nashit Ashraf, Suhaib Kiani, Mohammad Siddique, Iqbal Ghangla and Mehroze Kiani

    Link to full race results :
    http://www.ijc.com.pk/forum/viewtopi...start=45#p7856

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    youre reading my mind ... the whole idea behind the 1jz and the fj60 is to start low (money wise ) 'n slow (Category C )... have no illusions about competing....or even coming close to you big boys at this stage ... most of my offroading experience comes from potohar/sj410 bashing in the gorges and ravines of the salt range near khewra...used to work for ICI there... am clueless (sort of) about deserts.
    On another note, would love to tap into your expertise you guys can provide while putting this rig together... as a starting point any1 selling a cheap 60?... by the way sohaib, great pic of the wagoneer... and you summed it up in the last line of the post..."wont win much but will be loads of fun "
    There are some funky things that can be done if you are designing an exclusive desert racer, 12-16 inches of wheel travel at the back with longer springs would be the starting point. I understand that someone in Lahore is selling an FJ60 frame. You can buy a kabuli NCP FJ60 pretty cheap and retrofit any parts that you want onto the frame. However why would you want to put anything else on there except an engine, a rollcage and seats Going without the body or with a trimmed body also gives you infinitely more flexibility on weight distribution, optimal shock placement and wheel travel....

    However, being in an open car is firstly not for the AC running, air freshner spraying city boys to begin with and secondly requires going upsize with the ball factor Its a different feeling altogether when you cross 120kmph offroad without a windshield, requires much more focus and you have to work overtime to keep your nerves calm. I have come across the logic that a closed car gives you a lot less fatigue and hence is better in getting you a faster time. This may be true for the Dakar's 16 days or the Baja 1000's 36 hour run but out here with an average rally time of 2.5 hours it hardly makes a difference when you consider the overall story....

    This was actually my first drive in the sand as my only directly relevant experience was a couple of hundred yard runs with 4x4Engaged in the Ravi river bed. For me I would think that, the Northern 4x4 driving experience translated rather well in Cholistan as I wasn't intimidated by the tracks and generally preferred it to the Jhal Magsi dirt tracks which were far less accomodating. Obviously, it takes you about half your first race to really gather WTF is going on between the car dynamics, terrain/track and driver demands (in our case it turned out to be a half and a half ). But when your up against a field of people who have been doing this sort of driving (shikar + practice) for breakfast most of the year (case in point: the Khakwanis), it becomes all that more complicated to come out shining on the clock....
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    Dunno how these would perform in the rally but they look pretty cool...
    @saidhi, agree with your point but i still think they could use a little trimThe Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - 387610
    Well the rock racing rigs and desert racing Class 1 tybe buggies are all fenderless (and fenderless by far!). Those guys get along with all the sand blasting that comes along with that on 400-800 mile races. So its not inconcievable, just another degree of machoness One more thing which those chaps run are blown helmets (with pipes for fresh air through a filtered blower) along with some flaps running down from helmets onto suits: The full Alien / Predator mode!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    .................................................. ....................However, being in an open car is firstly not for the AC running, air freshner spraying city boys to begin with and secondly requires going upsize with the ball factor Its a different feeling altogether when you cross 120kmph offroad without a windshield, requires much more focus and you have to work overtime to keep your nerves calm. I have come across the logic that a closed car gives you a lot less fatigue and hence is better in getting you a faster time. This may be true for the Dakar's 16 days or the Baja 1000's 36 hour run but out here with an average rally time of 2.5 hours it hardly makes a difference when you consider the overall story............................................. ........................
    Some interesting tough talking going on here!

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    Default Pics by @baigaqeel; Punjabi by yours truly...

    Riwan Buttar: Qasim Bhai, zara aahistaa, aaa....
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    Saidhi: Buttar, aapnaa mun band rakh, aye tak, aynj kar ke!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    Some interesting tough talking going on here!
    Hard earned @nn..... all hard earned, this lil' bit of tough talk And about time too, as its catching on you see: (Photo by @baigaqeel)

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    completed 11 pages post by post with utmost interest.
    Lovely thread with all thrill,adventure and humor in one ticket.
    TDCP well done!
    such motor sports should be the ''must'' part of pakistan in this era.
    Hats off to both the teams ijc and 4x4 engaged?
    flying Evo of saidhi bhai made me recall his adventure on jimny with saqib bhai
    And the performance of evo on snowcross malamjaba was already ultimate.
    SK bro,i appreciate the efforts put on concordia and keep up the spirits.
    very well done.
    Thanks for such a detailed coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    There are some funky things that can be done if you are designing an exclusive desert racer, 12-16 inches of wheel travel at the back with longer springs would be the starting point. I understand that someone in Lahore is selling an FJ60 frame. You can buy a kabuli NCP FJ60 pretty cheap and retrofit any parts that you want onto the frame. However why would you want to put anything else on there except an engine, a rollcage and seats Going without the body or with a trimmed body also gives you infinitely more flexibility on weight distribution, optimal shock placement and wheel travel....

    However, being in an open car is firstly not for the AC running, air freshner spraying city boys to begin with and secondly requires going upsize with the ball factor Its a different feeling altogether when you cross 120kmph offroad without a windshield, requires much more focus and you have to work overtime to keep your nerves calm. I have come across the logic that a closed car gives you a lot less fatigue and hence is better in getting you a faster time. This may be true for the Dakar's 16 days or the Baja 1000's 36 hour run but out here with an average rally time of 2.5 hours it hardly makes a difference when you consider the overall story....

    This was actually my first drive in the sand as my only directly relevant experience was a couple of hundred yard runs with 4x4Engaged in the Ravi river bed. For me I would think that, the Northern 4x4 driving experience translated rather well in Cholistan as I wasn't intimidated by the tracks and generally preferred it to the Jhal Magsi dirt tracks which were far less accomodating. Obviously, it takes you about half your first race to really gather WTF is going on between the car dynamics, terrain/track and driver demands (in our case it turned out to be a half and a half ). But when your up against a field of people who have been doing this sort of driving (shikar + practice) for breakfast most of the year (case in point: the Khakwanis), it becomes all that more complicated to come out shining on the clock....
    where can i check this frame out? you think its worth a look? papers all good?

    interesting insights on the "open car" piece.... did you know that if you drive an S class your heartbeat is 7% lower than when youre driving its nearest competitor (quoting top gear here )... call me a city boy but id like to have some body bits "on" the car
    More Power!!! More power....

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    great going guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    where can i check this frame out? you think its worth a look? papers all good?

    interesting insights on the "open car" piece.... did you know that if you drive an S class your heartbeat is 7% lower than when youre driving its nearest competitor (quoting top gear here )... call me a city boy but id like to have some body bits "on" the car
    Well, I didn't mean to sound condescending towards the "citi boys" but just felt the point needed to be emphasized

    Anyways, not really sure how them biased Brits arrived at that 7% figure but if thats the case the S-Class owner would have a heart attack if he ever drove one of these Jimnys let alone our UZi. Nevertheless, the general logic does make sense that the quiter, easier to drive the car, the more relaxed you would be. You could even lower your heart beat by taking that loud performance exhaust off of a car for that matter. However, while I am no authority on medico-racing metrics but I don't think one can take this reasoning very far in a rally context. Sooner or later if something is working/sounding alright (open car setup/performance exhaust) you get used to and comfortable with it, lowering your heartbeat and then you push it that much harder (if possible), raising it back again....

    On the 60 series frame, I will check up on it again, but I would urge you to think long and hard before you decide to go down this path. Its much easier and more rewarding for most people to get a 2nd gen Pajero or a Hilux Vigo and set it up for rally as well as domestic duties. Rallying on a pure project car is demanding, tricky and risky business and its not for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Riwan Buttar: Qasim Bhai, zara aahistaa, aaa....
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    Saidhi: Buttar, aapnaa mun band rakh, aye tak, aynj kar ke!
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    A moment indeed, there are many jaw dropping and teeth crunching moments during a rally, which feeling one cherishes after crossing the finish line

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Well, I didn't mean to sound condescending towards the "citi boys" but just felt the point needed to be emphasized

    Anyways, not really sure how them biased Brits arrived at that 7% figure but if thats the case the S-Class owner would have a heart attack if he ever drove one of these Jimnys let alone our UZi. Nevertheless, the general logic does make sense that the quiter, easier to drive the car, the more relaxed you would be. You could even lower your heart beat by taking that loud performance exhaust off of a car for that matter. However, while I am no authority on medico-racing metrics but I don't think one can take this reasoning very far in a rally context. Sooner or later if something is working/sounding alright (open car setup/performance exhaust) you get used to and comfortable with it, lowering your heartbeat and then you push it that much harder (if possible), raising it back again....

    On the 60 series frame, I will check up on it again, but I would urge you to think long and hard before you decide to go down this path. Its much easier and more rewarding for most people to get a 2nd gen Pajero or a Hilux Vigo and set it up for rally as well as domestic duties. Rallying on a pure project car is demanding, tricky and risky business and its not for everybody.
    Agree with Suhaib regarding a Pajero or Vigo for rally, invest on suspension, roll cage and performance enhancing parts/chip, if you drive well, these vehicles will regularly get you a Podium and when not in a rally, they can be your loyal daily drivers. Whenever you need to upgrade your vehicle, just sell them and get a better or newer one.

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    Yasir, I am based in Lahore and Suhaib also visits Lahore once in a while, may be we should get together and we can show you some videos to convey better why we both are advising you to go for Pajero or Vigo, having said that, if 60 series is what satisfies you, go for it man, brave are those who follow dreams and they always will have my greatest regards

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    Default The CJR 2012 : IJC Team Concordia "Don't Hold Back" Montage

    Presenting our compilation of the craziest moments and wildest footage of the Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012. Enjoy and Do Comment, it was a team effort and a lot of hard work !

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Presenting our compilation of the craziest moments and wildest footage of the Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012. Enjoy and Do Comment, it was a team effort and a lot of hard work !

    Excellent video compilation, Suhaib this must be a humongous effort. All praises from my side.

    Close call in the end of the video, good to know that it did not dampen your resolve, luck always favour the brave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Excellent video compilation, Suhaib this must be a humongous effort. All praises from my side.

    Close call in the end of the video, good to know that it did not dampen your resolve, luck always favour the brave.
    Many Thanks @Saidhi! Could not have been done without you and your team's support!

    As for the close calls, the real hairy moment was at 1:10 of the video where in all likelihood the FJ was airborne a couple of times!! All in all after watching the video, one may come off thinking that something is wrong with the Concordia car or maybe the driver, but its just that the hairy moments make for more interesting viewing and we boldly and shamelessly selected the wildest of scenes from our chinese on board cam! Hopefully it will all be able to engage a wider audience, portray positive Pakistan image......... and also get us some sponsors

    ...aur nahin to rally community ko support karna chaaheyay ke "eh munday, gaddee te maathee bhajaande nein par video changaa bana leinde ne"
    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Many Thanks @Saidhi! Could not have been done without you and your team's support!

    As for the close calls, the real hairy moment was at 1:10 of the video where in all likelihood the FJ was airborne a couple of times!! All in all after watching the video, one may come off thinking that something is wrong with the Concordia car or maybe the driver, but its just that the hairy moments make for more interesting viewing and we boldly and shamelessly selected the wildest of scenes from our chinese on board cam! Hopefully it will all be able to engage a wider audience, portray positive Pakistan image......... and also get us some sponsors
    No need to thank me or our other mutual friends, we are into this hobby together and as sportsmen this is the least one could do.

    Had a few of our hair raising moments too, mainly my mistakes, they are on video but dont know how to make clips of them, any idea which program to use for editing GoPro video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    No need to thank me or our other mutual friends, we are into this hobby together and as sportsmen this is the least one could do.

    Had a few of our hair raising moments too, mainly my mistakes, they are on video but dont know how to make clips of them, any idea which program to use for editing GoPro video?
    Ehsan put me onto using VideoPad which is free, quite fast and rather user friendly. Its essentially the same format as any other video editor but may take a lil getting used to if you have never used one before. You can download it here : Video Editing Software. Download Free Video Movie Editor
    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    Thank you yaar, will try it tonight, might call you if I am in trouble

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