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    Default The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi

    Well, how can I even begin to tell, the tale is long and one always struggles with words when Doctor NN is missing. To make an attempt at laying out the story, which is a bit overdue (though not without benefits of better media coverage) but nevertheless is worthy of doing justice to. ….

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9832
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally organized by TDCP is the biggest and the most prestigious event on the Pakistan offroad and motorsport calendar. The rally was not held last year primarily on account of crowd security concerns and this year it was being eagerly anticipated by enthusiasts and participants following a very successful Jhal Magsi rally in late 2011. So the 7th Cholistan Jeep Rally held on February 16th -19th turned out to be a landmark event with the organizers assisted by Mr Mehmood Majeed (Bhawalpur 4x4 Club) managed to pulled a fast one on the participants with a major re-designing of the track. Over 70 vehicles participated in the hugely successful event that spanned over 4 days with registration/technical inspection in Bahawalpur on the 16th followed by recce/pre-running, qualification and race days. A very large number of spectators and enthusiasts from all over the country came to the Derawar Fort in Bahawalpur which serves as the starting and finishing point of the rally.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10241
    There has always been great enthusiasm at the Islamabad Jeep Club for the Cholistan Rally ever since the last adventure by Doc NN and DesertDevil Asad Marwat. This year, with Doc NN missing from the register, two IJC vehicles had been registered to enter the rally: Asad’s Mitsubishi Pajero and yours truly on the IJC Project FJ40 Concordia. Unfortunately on the last minute, Asad Marwat could not attend the event on account of the sudden death of a close family member. Apart from sharing Asad’s grief this was obviously a significant setback for us as Asad is always instrumental in all rally aspects and we felt kinda lost as we were starting out. Our new hosts for the event were Team Evo Saidhi lead by our old friend, Qasim Saidhi who accommodated us next to their camp and helped us get comfortable with the terrain and the surroundings of Cholistan. Our good friend, Adnan Siddiqui on his Hilux Vigo was the other participant from Islamabad.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10041
    By way of a race summary, Nadir Magsi took the category A and overall podium on his Toyota Tacoma which was running a turbo charged 1GR 4.0L V6. Ronnie Patel’s modified Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution suffered engine failure in the second half after reportedly leading the race at mid point. Anas Khakwani and Zafar Magsi took Category A and overall second and third positions respectively in Mitsubishi Pajero Evolutions. In the Hilux Vigo dominated category B, Bahawalpur’s own Makhdum Amir Abbas took first in on a while Awais Khakwani stood second and Jam Kamal Khan third. The very competitive Category C saw Mehrab Khan on his Hilux Vigo on the podium with Mehmood Majeed second on a beautifully styled Hilux Vigo. Ali Magsi on a Nissan Patrol took a hard fought third place edging out Mian Shabir Bhurjundiwalley’s Suzuki Jimny and Syed Asif Imam’s Mitsubishi Pajero. Category D, always a Suzuki Jumny affair saw Mian Rafiq Ahmed take first, Khan Muhammad second and Mian Zubair Ahmed taking third just getting past Ghulam Hussain Sharr.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9963
    The race saw around 40% of the a total 70 participating vehicles not being able to reach the finish line mainly on account of a major re-design of the race track across the sands of the Cholistan desert. This year’s track in addition to involving negotiation of a number of very tall sand dunes with soft sand, largely did away with the traditional Cholistan straight runs across in favour of small winding tracks through much of the 210 km distance. Most drivers categorized the track as very demanding with greater stress on vehicle suspensions than previous Cholistan rallies. The traditional Cholistani variation and deterioration in the track with the progress of the race apparently played in significantly with the majority of the later starting vehicles suffering. The two soft sand dunes prior to stage break appear to have been a major hurdle with several vehicles getting stuck and half of the Jimny pack ending up with DNFs.

    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9960
    In that respect the starting order determined by the previous day’s qualification round was important albeit not as decisive as in Jhal Magsi where dust factor renders overtaking virtually impossible. This year’s qualification track was mainly the same as previous rallies though slightly shorter at around 2.4kms long. The track was a combination of deep sand runs and whoops and having gotten an early draw our FJ40 Concordia made the best of its power advantage to register a good time of 2 1. Ronnie Patel was fastest in the middle of the pack at 1:44 up until Nadir Magsi put up 1:38 on the board to claim pole position. Qasim Saidhi also put up an impressive 1:51 despite having landed nose down with slight damage to his Evo in the mid track whoops on his first recce run. Perhaps the performances of the day were by the Khakwanis with Awais registering 1:51 on his Vigo despite a front tire coming off the bead on the last turn and Anas closing at 1:50 on his Evo. Adnan Siddiqui and Rahid Abdullah were exceptional with 2 1 on a B category Vigo and C category Triton respectively.

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    For the experienced rally campaigner and our good friend Qasim Saidhi, it would actually be the first time crossing the Cholistan finish line after disappointments in previous attempts. Following his recent podium finishes in Jhal Magsi and Nooriabad and his past accolades as a category D Jimny driver, Qasim has come to be considered the man to watch with his multi-talented navigator Rizwan Buttar’s calm assistance. Qasim finished 5th in Category A after a flat tire slowing him down along with managing to get stuck on the sand dunes twice. It was encouraging to see that his very well prepared Mitsubishi Evolution had been sponsored by ZIC and PTCL Evo for the race. We are truly thankful to Qasim, Rizwan and their crew for hosting us and helping us throughout the event, without which we probably would have not have made it out there and participated in the event.
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id9833
    As for us, the IJC Rally Team Concordia which set out to do something no one though was worth doing or even doable as such: race a restored/modified FJ40 at Cholistan and put up a competitive showing despite low-budgets and second hand parts. In our first sandy desert outing, after an early draw and strong showing at qualification, we started the race a 17th off of a competitive grid of over 70 participants. Right after the start, we got somewhat distracted negotiating the tremendous crowd and made a silly navigational error that cost us over 30 minutes. Keeping our pace together after that was not easy but having been released of any tension to lodge a competitive finishing time, we ended up trying a number of cocky things from sideways drifting, long air jumps to short ballistic runs pushing the limits of the car. We were making good progress despite our second-hand shocks fading away fast up until we managed to get stuck on the first sand dune. In our attempts to dig our tires out of the sand, we stumbled upon a very agile sand serpent emerging from under the front tire to register his appreciation of the sexy BFG MTs. After pushing the car out with the help of some spectators, we followed a steady pace to the finish line though still losing some time on account of minor mechanical issues. So in the end, while we may not have a podium finish to show for our adventure, together with having qualified 17th , matched top speed of 150kmph with some of fastest cars and having finished the race and we can pen it down as a significant achievement on our part given limitations. We did gather more media footage than perhaps ever available on any recent rally in Pakistan.




    In the end, while offroad racing all over the world remains a dangerous and expensive sport, with the grace of the Almighty, offroad rallies in Pakistan have maintained a good safety record for both participants and spectators despite budgetary constraints, organization difficulties and limited sponsor support. This year saw a healthy increase in sponsorships with RedBull, Zong, PTCL, PSO, Toyota, Guard and others highlighting their brands through official support to participants. Another focus of Pakistan rally promoters is to focus on international participation and for the future IJC Team Concordia is also looking actively to build our existing partnership with the Pheonix 4405 Land Use Buggy based out of California USA.
    The Cholistan Jeep Rally 2012 Report: IJC Rally Team Concordia and Team Saidhi - filephp?id10145

    Photo & Video Credits: Nashit Ashraf, Suhaib Kiani, Mohammad Siddique, Iqbal Ghangla and Mehroze Kiani

    Link to full race results :
    http://www.ijc.com.pk/forum/viewtopi...start=45#p7856

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    With SWB vehicles, drifting at high speeds is very risky, especially in race situations, at least i was scared when i tried it with Jimny in Jhal. On 2WD, Jimny went up to 130/135 km/h in Patt area, but it was so tail happy that i decided to sacrifice 10 km/h to have a sure foot. Also, with 4WD engaged, the handling improved a lot on turns and I was able to pull turns of Patt area, while drifting, at 120 km/h rather than 90-95 on 2WD.

    Condordia has enough horses, guess you should test it with 4WD and rear diff in Indus. And dont forget to share the experience
    yeah, the 70 series diffs should be able to take a bit of a beating + dont think 140-150 kms on soft sandy surfaces should be that much of a load on the drivetrain...give it a shot...and don't forget to invite us
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    We got to try the locked rear a little bit today on a dirt track though quite low speeds and in 2wd. Although my brother Ehsan was driving most of the time (hog!!! ) it does seem to give you a bit more control over the drift and it probably breaks out into a drift earlier and quicker when you want it too. More control in the sense that you are more sure of throttle response results during the drift and the throttle pump turn drift technique (don't know what else to call it!) seems to be more effective...
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    Default Experimental : Cholistan Final Stage with BGAK Jaunpuri

    Well at times one may want to think that nobody really watches the videos you make, nobody really likes your cars or the way you drive them and that nobody listen to the music you listen too. While two wrongs do not make a right, three lefts do make a right and a few days ago I decided to combine my lefts and see what came out....

    I don't think this is winning any prizes at Cannes but just thought it deserved more than the 6 views it has, so here goes: Our final stage onboard video with Raag Jaunpuri Khayal and Tarana by Bade Ghulam Ali Khan and his son Munawwar Ali Khan:

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    Good video, last few kilometers were very confusing because of so many tracks.

    Choice of Music is ahamm ahammm ,,,,, Aahoo

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Good video, last few kilometers were very confusing because of so many tracks.

    Choice of Music is ahamm ahammm ,,,,, Aahoo

    Hahahah! ahmmm ahooo for me too... that music almost put me to sleep ... noticed the multiple tracks too. whats speeds were you averaging?
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    Aik to all the tough guys with weak ears Anyways 1968 kee gaaree, 1968 ka music

    Average speed is around 60-65 kmph on here, though near the end its probably faster! This track which is just one long stretch after the last CP, if I am not mistaken is probably a permanent feature of the rally as I don't see many alternatives on Google Earth for getting back to the starting point. It was a bit daunting on the recce as we were probably a bit tired and it was quite long. On the race we were enjoying this stretch a bit as we had a feeling that whatever was to happen has actually happened Also despite the increased sway with faded shocks, the suspension seems to be behaving better here than it was at the start!
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    Gentlemen! vehicle acquired!! i must say not what i was looking for in the 1st place but the damn thing was rock solid and too good to be passed over. i had to dish out much more dough than i initially planned but hey who cares in this sport... now, i know you guys are gonna say "Yeh kyaa kar diya! paison ko aag laga di" but after trying out numerous "expensive" "thakay hooway" vigos and putting this through the paces i think it should do quite nicely.....

    hint! under the skin it its quite similar to the magsi taco..
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    Time to change the avatar again!!
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    Amer Khusroo was from the 12th century,,, not 1968

    The last 80 odd kilometers have been the same since 2008, crossing Fort Khan Garh from the southern side on the way to Drawer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    Gentlemen! vehicle acquired!! i must say not what i was looking for in the 1st place but the damn thing was rock solid and too good to be passed over. i had to dish out much more dough than i initially planned but hey who cares in this sport... now, i know you guys are gonna say "Yeh kyaa kar diya! paison ko aag laga di" but after trying out numerous "expensive" "thakay hooway" vigos and putting this through the paces i think it should do quite nicely.....

    hint! under the skin it its quite similar to the magsi taco..
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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Amer Khusroo was from the 12th century,,, not 1968

    The last 80 odd kilometers have been the same since 2008, crossing Fort Khan Garh from the southern side on the way to Drawer.
    So it seems that the track we are racing on is probably an old traditional route from the historic Khangarh to Derawer Forts.... All the more reason to have some historical music on this track

    Congrats Yaser! Enough suspense: Its show and Tell time!
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    what no guesses? 2003 4th Gen Surf with a 1KD... a lil dark right now... photos tomorrow
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    i hope you didnt spend more then 2.5 million or 2.7 on the purchase. So what are the plans for it ? 1gr-fe with trd turbo charger ?
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    Hahah! i actually did ... but it was well worth it... pretty much the best surf i came across... plan to stick with the 1KD... B stock for now... the engine is in pristine condition. Baja bumper, bolt-on internal roll cage, chip and after market shocks for now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    what no guesses? 2003 4th Gen Surf with a 1KD... a lil dark right now... photos tomorrow
    Excellent choice,,,, a little over the budget but surely worth it. 2003 surf has much better handling than Vigo and can give you a sure shot chance at the podium.

    Will get you the performance chip/ECU tuning in Lahore. Would suggest that you order Kings Triple Bypass shocks with dual mounts. THis vehicle is in USA and you will be able to get the bolt on fitting solutions.

    Time is short buddy,,, you need to pick pace now

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    Congrats! The 4th Gen Surfa is a great car! All the Best!
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    OK so they stole my song for the Olympics first teams entrance..... but the good news was that YouTube let me get away with a warning on copyright stuff so it seems its gonna be on there for sometime

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Excellent choice,,,, a little over the budget but surely worth it. 2003 surf has much better handling than Vigo and can give you a sure shot chance at the podium.

    Will get you the performance chip/ECU tuning in Lahore. Would suggest that you order Kings Triple Bypass shocks with dual mounts. THis vehicle is in USA and you will be able to get the bolt on fitting solutions.

    Time is short buddy,,, you need to pick pace now
    yeah, it feels like the right choice... took it for a spin and made some ambitious high speed turns in phase 5 and it held its own...only prob is its eaten up all the money that was supposed to be for the mods ... slow and steady Inshallah... a few months more .. spot on on your comment about aftermarket stuff availability in the US... that was one of the main reasons i went for it... lets see dreaming podiums at this stage is a lil premature but hey no harm in dreaming
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    OK so they stole my song for the Olympics first teams entrance..... but the good news was that YouTube let me get away with a warning on copyright stuff so it seems its gonna be on there for sometime


    nice montage SK, cant download it tho... thanks for the wishes!
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    Default How Not To Drive Your FJ40!

    Or rather "How not to set-up the suspension if you do!".... aah well, maybe I shouldn't really downplay this until its proven to be any better otherwise!

    Just some funny stuff I ended up doing over the weekend, trying to figure out what it is I would do differently! It was actually very interesting and informative to look at it with slow motion and image stabilisation. Apart from the technical perspective (which will be plain boring for the two people following this thread ) it looked slightly less painful and a bit more funny



    Maybe there should be a disclaimer or something on this video lest people get the wrong ideas
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