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    Friend has an Sj410 with original engine and 4x4 gear.

    He wants to swap the engine now which options are available?

    as far as i know 2c(more inclined towards diesel), jimny 1.3 engine and vitara 1.6 engine......

    as far as engine is concerned it is a simple swap but then it comes to transmission things get tricky, which will be the best option and which 4x4 gear to use.

    use will be hunting offroad and high way travel(i.e should at least do 120-140km/hour)
    reasonable mileage

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    I am using sj410 with original its perfect no need to change
    I have seen samuari 1.3 engine in pindi owner was asking 85k
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    what 120-140?

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    Yes SJ410 with original engine (maintained) and gear is unbeatable. Dont under estimate it, its body weight is light so it performed nicely at that tough areas where Gaint failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman8ff View Post
    what 120-140?
    120-140Kph

    Quote Originally Posted by joinjamil View Post
    Yes SJ410 with original engine (maintained) and gear is unbeatable. Dont under estimate it, its body weight is light so it performed nicely at that tough areas where Gaint failed.
    Sir, i have used one for around 4 to 5 years as daily runner it has the worse fuel avg gives around 6km/liter with ac. heating up problem and horrible slow. very bad ac performance. its now mostly parked in shed.
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    Adnan, better go for g13. This is ur best bet.
    I kept an SJ410 for 2 years as a daily runner, drove it 40K in these 2 years without any issue! It never let me down anywhere! Lekin i got it brand new in 2008.
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    For what it is worth, I have a few decades of experience of hunting and 4x4s. My experience of the SJ410 first started back in the late 1980's, and continues to this day. Though I dont one, a few of my friends do.

    Now if I may venture my opinion, if offroad performance is what one is looking for then the swaps worth considering are the Toyota 2C, 2C-T (both 2000cc, the first being being naturally aspirated and the second one turbocharged) and 3C-T (2200cc turbocharged) in diesel, and then the Samurai 1.3 ltr, Vitara 1.6 ltr, Toyota 3Y (2000cc), 4Y (2200cc) and 3S-GE(2000cc).

    Of all the above mentioned swaps, the most powerful ones are the 3C-T, the 4Y and 3S-GE. All these engines produced power reliably and they have enough low end and mid range torque for the SJ410's original axle gearing. The Samurai 1.3 ltr engine is also a good one, but its not in the same league as the above 3 engines.

    If you opt for any one of the Toyota engines, I would strongly advise you to use a Toyota Hilux/Surf manual transmission. Its a better and stronger unit than the Suzuki's own strangely coupled speed gear and transfer case. All my friends who have swapped engines (mostly Toyota engines) in their SJ410's have also switched to the Hilux/Surf manual gearbox (with the 4 wheel drive transfer case).

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    ^^ thanks alot very help full reply.

    Any idea abt top speed and fuel consumption figures of 2c with hilux gear
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    A suzuki sj410 becomes dangerous above 110km/ltr, however for me the simplest of swap is the 1300cc jimny engine and gear which will give u around 10km/ltr. The 2c with hilux gear will go up to 11 or may be 12km/ltr but that is a dirty swap and i would never recommend it. The location of both your diffs is towards one side of the tube which will be the same as of 1300 jimny's set up. But a hilux gear has rear diff in the center which will be noisy as the direction of the rear shaft will not be straight. All other engines mentioned by turumti brother are good but will be heavy for yr vehicle and difficult to fix. Like in case of a vitara engine you'll have to fix a plate inbetween it and the gear of 1300 as vitara gear doesn't come in the sj410's compartment. Also for 3S gear matching and fixing plates is a difficult job and not recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilz_apprentice View Post
    Adnan, better go for g13. This is ur best bet.
    I kept an SJ410 for 2 years as a daily runner, drove it 40K in these 2 years without any issue! It never let me down anywhere! Lekin i got it brand new in 2008.
    manual or auto and what about ac performance ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by noman8ff View Post
    A suzuki sj410 becomes dangerous above 110km/ltr, however for me the simplest of swap is the 1300cc jimny engine and gear which will give u around 10km/ltr. The 2c with hilux gear will go up to 11 or may be 12km/ltr but that is a dirty swap and i would never recommend it. The location of both your diffs is towards one side of the tube which will be the same as of 1300 jimny's set up. But a hilux gear has rear diff in the center which will be noisy as the direction of the rear shaft will not be straight. All other engines mentioned by turumti brother are good but will be heavy for yr vehicle and difficult to fix. Like in case of a vitara engine you'll have to fix a plate inbetween it and the gear of 1300 as vitara gear doesn't come in the sj410's compartment. Also for 3S gear matching and fixing plates is a difficult job and not recommended.
    aaha. so now the debate is between 2c and 1.3 jimny engine.

    what about g15 engine will it work with jimny gear ?
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    No idea about g15. i would recommend 1.3 jimny over a 2C. 1300cc manual has 5 speed and an auto has 3speed which becomes very uneconomical and noisy on high speeds.

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    jeep first had 2c but 4x4 was not active then it was swapped with 1.0 potohar engine. still your decision will be same ?
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    yes because without a 4X4 it was with original 2c gear which doesn't have a 4X4 and for a 4X4 u need too many modifications and that too only with a surf gear, so not recommended

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    Thanks.
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    Noman,

    Have you done 1300cc Jimny engine swap? How does it compare to the 3S and the 4Y, in terms of power and performance?

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    Brother about 4Y, i have no idea (i assume it will be big) but surely 3S is very big for sj 410. A cousin of mine has 3S in chinese BJ 212 and it will be over powered for suzuki. As far as suzuki 4X4's are concerned, i have kept 540cc 2 stroke, 660cc, 800cc, 1000cc 4fwd, 1000cc 5fwd, 1300cc carburetor, 1300cc efi, 1600cc efi (vitara engine) and the best is 1300 jimny's engine with its original 5 fwd gear.

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    Just finished calculating my own suzuki jeeps which i have kept/ modified in the last 15 years. The total no is 16. Isn't it amazing?

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    Noman Bhai,

    There is no such thing as too much power. People have even put 300HP engines in SJ410's in the West. I have hunted quiote a bit in Suzuki sj410's as I mentioned earlier, and the best I have found were those with the Toyota 2000cc engines and next best was the 1300CC samurai efi engine.

    The original SJ410 and Potohar engines are the shittiest of the lot. Even a 2C performs better in the desert than the 1000cc engine. The best fun I have had was with a 4Y equipped Sj410 with a Prado gearbox. This vehicle even out-performed the Arab's Nissan Patrols.

    The days, my brother is doing up a CJ7 with a V8 engione in it. That jeep is crazy fast, it hits 120km/h in the second gear, and it isnt bad offroad either!

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    Salman Bhai, good to see you commenting out here and sharing your wealth of experience!

    Just out of curiousity if you retain the original Suzuki gearbox, can it withstand some thing like the 3S-GE ot 3S-GT. I ask because the high ratio for the original transfer case is actually much lower than 1:1 of all Toyota boxes and this has some specific benefits with high speed desert dynamics.... Hoping to hear more on the "strangely coupled speed gear and transfer case"
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