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    youtube Test: Old vs New 4x4

    This is a short test from Top Gear Australia where a Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40 takes on a shiny brand new Nissan Patrol.
    Much is debatable after watching this video:

    - The fact that its LWB vs SWB
    - Diesel vs Petrol
    - Driver capability(balls) vs machine ability

    The outcome is not what I wanted, yet a fun video to watch none the less!
    Enjoy!



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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_0EPzKDFb8A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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    LC FJ40 was my first 4X4

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    No doubt the FJ40 is a great piece of work. Regarding this video, I would say that the driver with the FJ40 could have easily attempted the last obstacle had he had the stones to do it. Old is better than new any day with reference to this video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hayzin View Post
    No doubt the FJ40 is a great piece of work. Regarding this video, I would say that the driver with the FJ40 could have easily attempted the last obstacle had he had the stones to do it. Old is better than new any day with reference to this video.
    Being an FJ40 owner, I may clearly be biased when I say this...but the FJ40 is actually the machine that put Toyota "on the map" so to speak. Following that, Toyota has built some GREAT off-roaders; the bestial 60 Series, the workhorse 70 Series, the utilitarian 80 and 90 Series, and the opulent 100+ Series. And still, there's just something about an FJ that challenges other off-roaders...and I don't mean the FJ Cruiser.

    It's heartening to see that with the large-scale phasing out of FJs from the Army, there's a huge number of FJs on our roads (and mostly OFF our roads)...and the experiments of our off-road community in modifying-refitting-refurbishing these grand old beasts is very encouraging, too.

    Thank you for this thread, brother. What a great time to be an FJ owner!
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    And as for the last obstacle...I would agree. The FJ driver really did show a distinct LACK of cojones.
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    ^Agreed 110% with fouadhafeez.
    The driver definitely wussed out on the last challenge, im sure anyone of 'us' would have done it to beat the 'New'.
    Maybe its just me, but I've been noticing the population of the 40 series on the road grow. Its good to see more and more civilians getting into the 4x4 world. Other than just the shear pleasure of waking up and knowing there's a monster parked in your driveway, there is something that sets us apart from the normal daily cars.
    Coming over to the Americans, here is a video that ALL OF US MUST WATCH!
    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/P05j37Q5VTY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Being Top Gear, one would expect to have hosts of the show that know a thing or two about how to drive offroad. Please watch this episode of the American Top Gear (I didnt even know there was a US version) and see how their lack of skill, knowledge and how ignorant they are of Toyota made machines. They consider it an insult and embarrassment to drive a Toyota Hilux.
    I would appreciate everyone's input after watching this.
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    Thanks for sharing. Both vids are good.
    The second vid really shows how ignorant americans really are. Toyota Zindabad!

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    Actually, its quite challenging to properly do an old vs new offroad test for 4x4s because there are too many variables and variances across cars, terrains and performance metrics. We at IJC have had some years of experience undertaking such tests in a somewhat controlled environment and can probably say a thing or two about it....

    In this case: FJ vs Patrol - my general view based on observation and experience is that any Patrol would outperform a comparable FJ at least 80% of the time. Its as reliable, has more articulation and usually more HP and Torque too.... As for the non-sensical but witty old vs new question, it would perhaps be more interesting comparing the following 4x4s:
    - FJ40 vs FJ Cruiser
    - JK Wrangler against the 1942 Willys
    - Hilux 1984 against the Vigo Champ
    - SJ Cherokee / Wagoneer (with quadratrack) against the TLC 200

    In short, if you are ruling out the high speed stuff, the old cars would give the new ones a very good run for the money and produce some cheeky surprises. But in the end, even if you eliminate the secondary factors like creature comforts, ease of driving and things like the water seeping in, the new ones WILL outperform the old. Its been a competitive evolutionary process for the 4x4 world and all the time and investment in design and tech will show up in the end one way or the other....
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    There ain't no mud deep enough and no mountain high enough when you've got a LAND ROVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charged View Post
    How many amongst us were rooting for the Willys to come out on top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    How many amongst us were rooting for the Willys to come out on top?

    I was but I knew it wouldn't the gradient is too much and the Willys doesn't have enough juice. An engineering marvel but saying this makes me wonder where is the engineering? Its such a basic, honest to God design but somehow it works... works beautifully!
    There ain't no mud deep enough and no mountain high enough when you've got a LAND ROVER

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