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    Salaam o alaikum fellow pakwheelers,
    Firstly, I am a newbie, so your patience with any of my technical inaccuracies would be much appreciated. This is my first post and I apologise for not having filled in the introductions section, Inshallah will do so soon.
    I have read with much interest the posts in the 4x4 /offroaders forum over the past year. Alhamdolillah, a thriving scene.
    I am interested in your views regarding a new punga type project...
    The 1kd- ftv is a superb crd engine, early ones did have injector problems. Injector failure is a reason oft cited due to poor diesel quality. In other countries inc.UK, the injectors failed in early engines, excess sulphur is not a problem in the diesel there. The common rail was redesigned by Toyota, as the early failures were due to a design fault.
    Most of the Thai imported Vigo's have 3.0 d4d engines, the failure of these could be down to uncertain history, servicing and mileage in imported vehicles.
    Japanese surfs from 2004 onwards have used 1kd engine, there is a low failure rate in imported vehicles, perhaps being due to grading system used by Japanese auctioneers and higher grade cars of 4 or above being imported. No one would pay 40 lakh plus for a grade 3.5 car.
    Toyota prado and its many variants throughout the world also use this engine.
    Suffice it to say, its a common engine.
    To say that crd is not viable in Pakistan, would go against many of the 2kd Vigo's 2.4 sold in Pakistan by Indus. Very few failures if serviced correctly. Albeit the 2.4 d4d is a detuned version with appreciably less than the 140 bhp which a modified intercooler and turbo can produce in Thai and UK versions.
    The cost of fuel is rising everywhere, and mpg comes into this.. it will rise further in the next few years. I am foremost an Audi fanatic and have had modified S3 and S6's with Quattro(4x4) for past 10 years, prior to relocation to Pakistan. I am a diesel convert by necessity, not choice. 1uz and 2 uz requires deep pockets, and yet the torque of a 1kd when modded to 250+bhp will surely trounce them off-road. The success of some of these hilux/ Vigo variants at last few jhal magsi rallies should be evidence. Obviously if you are a millionaire with a Toyota tundra, then so be it..lol
    The Americans are wanting diesels, one only has to go through posts on ih8mud, or pirate4x4. Some have attempted, even if only in theory to swap 1kd ftv into older toyos. The problem in USA, is lack of 1kd ftv engines...google 1kd ftv and you will see. This engine has great potential. Adding some redex or kerosene to a diesel tank easily eliminates likelihood of injector failure.
    The main issue in inserting a 1kd ftv is the ecu loom. The complicated electronics have scared people off.
    I am looking at the feasibility at this point of putting one of these engines into either an early 1990's surf, or 60 series, maybe even a 70 series
    We haechanics in Pakistan, but this is where I need your help..the highly esteemed specialists to bash their heads together and come up with viability, feasibility and cost punga..
    Whether a H155, or H150 transmission could be mated to this engine?
    Can complicated electronics of ecu be overcome to achieve this?
    I'm sure if a 2uz can be put into a 40 cruiser such as recent Concordia build then this is also feasible. I would like the esteemed Kiani brothers input and their highly capable mechanics the Awan brothers, as Pindi is my nearest location. Brother Fouad Hafeez as resident phantom punga expert... Team Unimog, as per their motto. Lol.
    Xulfiqar, who inevitably has his name running through most threads in other sections of pakwheels...lol.
    In essence this would be the beginning of a new punga Inshallah...
    Let the fun commence. I look forward to the replies in earnest.
    In all sincerity,
    Your brother,
    Assad.
    Wasalaam.

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    Asad Sb. Welcome (with a bang) to the forum. Soon we'll have jehlum, Ravi, Soan & Nala Laee of knowledge flowing thru this thread.

    I'm sure you must be familiar with Anas Khakwani & Awais Khakwani (the 4x4 rally drivers from Multan). They got one J40 installed with a 1kd ft** two years back. Reportedly running fine with minor issues earlier on with the subject electronics/wiring etc.

    Hope to learn a lot from yet another very learned enthusiast enriched with humbleness (a rarity in itself).

    Kind regards
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    Thankyou for your kind words brother tareen. I am indeed an enthusiast, however, my technical knowledge is limited, to say the least...

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    Welcome to Pw, You still have to acquire the project vehicle ? Purpose of the vehicle offorading, Rally or daily driver ? Third most important part is how much budget or should i say expected expense
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    @qwertypoiu, hi there brother, yes.. not bought the vehicle as of yet. Still undecided, 60 series likeliest though methinks.. will consider recommendations though..
    Main purpose of vehicle would be daily driver, with mild offroading, ability to carry 4-5 people, and their assorted baggage. Am not a hardcore offroader. Reliability and ability to move effortlessly in northern areas and city a must. I am more of a hiking, camping, shooting/ fishing type who likes rugged scen
    As regards budget, let's just say its not a bottomless pit. The money, alhamdolillah, is available.

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    As per me easiest swap would be in a 90 series or a Surf, as they have 1kz engine which is quite similar to the 1kd in block design and the gear box is r150 which is almost same for the both the engine with difference of few sensors.
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    As per me easiest swap would be in a 90 series or a Surf, as they have 1kz engine which is quite similar to the 1kd in block design and the gear box is r150 which is almost same for the both the engine with difference of few sensors.
    RIP

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    @qwertypoiu, 90 series is a definite no no as I am not happy with its front suspension...solid axles and leaf springs way to go. The surf is a real possibility. Hilux based early 1990 versions...would that transmission link up easily with 1kd? Manual transmission, not auto tranny. It makes me think about buying a 1990-1992 surf and getting all the drivetrain and axles swapped with NCP 2004 onwards surf...But is it feasible considering earlier surf chassis? Changing dashboard over would solve sensor problems re: ecu.

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    The problem with the 1KD is that toyota did a giant boo boo in trying to redesign the Bosch CRD system. anyway - they have finally got their act straight since 2009 after replacing a few thousand injectors, pumps, and sundries under claims. (cannot happen in Pakistan because 1KD was never sold in pk)

    its a nice engine with somewhat simpler electrics (Im speaking from a german car point of view - they make me want to think of suicide sometimes) The injectors have been upgraded, the pressure limiter on the rail has been changed to a pressure discharge unit, the suction control valve on the pump is now a different and more robust design, This causes a smoother running engine and prevents the injections from punching a hole through the pistons, BUT Toyota still mounted the injectors wrong. In a similar system installed on any car that was licensed by Bosch - the injectors are exposed and work for eons. Toyota did not do that. The remedy is to keep an eye on the sealing washers and O rings so combusted gases do not enter the valve cover which can cook the oil into something that resembles tar.
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    please remove the guru bit - some people get offended on PW by this word.
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    @xulfiqar, thankyou for your comments.A post 2009 1kd is the engine to get..is there any way to know the newer engine by cosmetic appearance, by engine number, chassis number etc.?
    I know what you mean about German engines, great fan of the 4.2 40valve v8 in my 2002 Audi S6... Awesome sound. I do much prefer the vw/ Audi 1.9 or 2.0 tdi. Some of my friends have chipped this to 260bhp with mods... Especially reliable is the 1.9 tdi. Unfortunately, not available in Pakistan, unlike 1kd. The 1.9 tdi was on 10 best engine list for a few consecutive years.
    I apologise for the word guru, I did not think it would be an issue..negative connotations notwithstanding. Will endeavour to remove it.
    I appreciate your input on this thread.

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    The word guru now removed.. replaced with specialist. Negative connotations taken on board. Thanks @ xulfiqar.

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    09 1kd will be very difficult to find right now and will be super expensive, recently in the second hand engine market in Rawalpindi(mithu khan, sader) witnessed a claimed 2007 model 1kd, super clean, demand was 300k.
    its all about power to weight ratio...

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    @ghuncha, jazakallah for that. If 2009 is difficult, then 3 lakh for super clean 2007 is ok. It may be possible to get an older one that looks clean. It may be that 2kd and 1kd share commonrail injectors, experts can answer this? In which case new injectors etc, may make all the difference. Also, Pindi is usually more expensive than bilal gunj in Lahore or Peshawar. Anyone have prices for 1kd there? Or any contacts with telephone numbers..?
    Quality of engine is more important than price and a full history with full wiring loom, ecu etc. Is a must.

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    I have just downloaded a PDF document from Samgor.ucoz.ru, it is entitled 6_Prado_3.0D4-D.pdf
    This suggests lots of shared parts between 1kd and 2kd re:commonrail, also it details the part numbers.There are distinctive part numbers for different geographical areas, which does suggest that in 2009, Toyota, took into account types of diesel availability, to improve reliability.

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    these are second hand engine imported as scrap from abroad, hence forget about their history, its your observation and past experience only. secondly i don't think bilal gung/shoba is cheaper than pindi, almost the same prices.
    its all about power to weight ratio...

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    Bump....

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    Quote Originally Posted by badr313 View Post
    I have just downloaded a PDF document from Samgor.ucoz.ru, it is entitled 6_Prado_3.0D4-D.pdf
    This suggests lots of shared parts between 1kd and 2kd re:commonrail, also it details the part numbers.There are distinctive part numbers for different geographical areas, which does suggest that in 2009, Toyota, took into account types of diesel availability, to improve reliability.
    Just saaw that, its only a single bulletin by Denso. The different fuel type situation was also addressed since the inception of the KD diesels. The document speaks of the difference between the old and new type injectors, rail and how the ECU relearns the new ones.

    In the countries where this engine was officially sold - Toyota faced some serious music by the customers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Just saaw that, its only a single bulletin by Denso. The different fuel type situation was also addressed since the inception of the KD diesels. The document speaks of the difference between the old and new type injectors, rail and how the ECU relearns the new ones.

    In the countries where this engine was officially sold - Toyota faced some serious music by the customers.
    I do appreciate that, however, my response was to previous post by @guncha- old v new kd1's. the new part numbers would suggest that the commonrail is shared between 1kd and 2kd, hence by buying an older 1kd one could replace the commonrail, pump etc, and uprate the engine to new specs post 2009, hence increasing reliability. is this feasible? since part numbers available, would i be able to buy through indus toyota?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghuncha View Post
    these are second hand engine imported as scrap from abroad, hence forget about their history, its your observation and past experience only. secondly i don't think bilal gung/shoba is cheaper than pindi, almost the same prices.
    good comment, caveat emptor... (let the buyer beware!!), its very difficult to find the right engine, but if all the commonrail diesel parts, pump and injectors are to be replaced to fulfil post 2009 specs, then should be ok. its a case of shopping around, are there lots of 1kd's around..?

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