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    Question Newbie seeking Comprehensive Guidance on 4x4 > Educate me

    AsalamuAlaikum PakWheelers,

    As the topic states, I am looking for an education on 4x4s from experienced and knowledgeable PakWheelers. Don't need one-liner "Just go for Vigo" or "Vigo kay bharam hain" kind of responses, but rather, logical detailed guidance which can help me transition into the world of 4x4s.

    To make it easier for everyone to guide me, I'll try to set out my priorities/preferences first:

    1) Durability / Sturdiness = High Priority

    2) Parts Availability (Locally) = High Priority

    3) Ease of Maintenance (Local mechanics/technicians) = High Priority

    4) Looks = Low to Medium Priority

    5) Comfort = Medium Priority (I understand that there's this inherent trade-off in this department when you move from a sedan to a SUV/Jeep/Truck).

    6) Fuel Efficiency = High Priority

    7) Purpose of Use:

    - This'll be my first 4x4 and I intend to use it primarily for educating and familiarizing myself with what a 4x4 offers.

    - I am 34 with a small family (one kid 4 years of age) so do not require a large seating capacity.

    - This'll be in addition to a home car - a Swift 1.3 (to be in use of my better half and sometimes myself).

    - For an idea about how much and in which manner the 4x4 will be used........ The 4x4 will be driven to my workplace and back daily (10km+10km) and additional within city travelling will be with the Swift. On weekends, the 4x4 will be taken to interior Sindh for hunting purposes (guys only). Twice a year, it will be used for an all-Pakistan road trip (4,000 + kms) wherein it'll be taken Karachi > Multan > Lahore > Rawalpindi > Murree > Kaghan/Naran > Skardu > Rawalpindi > Peshawar > Lahore > Karachi. Hence, my preference for relatively better fuel economy as well as overall economy involved in taking the truck on long (4,000+ km) trips. The terrain involved can be understood from the cities I've mentioned in this paragraph. The all-Pakistan trips will be with family only hence the need for a "relatively" comfortable ride (ofcourse, not of the standard expected from a sedan).

    8) POCKET DEPTH

    For a 4x4 on which I intend to learn the traits and familiarize myself with what is involved in keeping / maintaining a 4x4, I am willing to invest between 1 to 2 mil on something which I will keep for four to five years and then move on to another Truck.

    9) HOW OLD?

    Now what I'm writing here in this para is just based on whatever novice-level knowledge/info I have gathered, based on mostly heresay and you may please ignore this completely if you think I'm off-track here. It seems that my preferences (based on preliminary self assessment) is that I'm moving towards a 1990 LC 70 Series (Prado), 3 Door, 3.0L, Manual Tranmission. Am I ? or a Pajero, older Hilux Surf or a Defender? Duh! I'm lost.

    So my knowledgeable fellow PakWheelers, I'm all ears. Please GUIDE ME.


    JAZAKALLAH KHAIR

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    prado 90-93 model is a lil more durable than pajero. (in my opinion)
    mileage is same.
    go for it as mechanics are available for it and parts too.

    mileage is comparatively same

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    Quote Originally Posted by dms664 View Post
    Get a Suzuki Jimny.
    Reasons:
    It carries the same engine as that of ur swift. 1.3L m13a
    You don't require large sitting capacity and it is a compact one.
    You are also not into bharam thingy.
    It falls in your budget and that too brand new though fully loaded model exceeds ur budget by 2 lacs only.
    Durability / Sturdiness is ur high priority .
    Parts aval from suzuki 3s dealers and junkyards with ease.
    Comfort is not like a sedan but better than many suvs I have driven.
    Fuel efficiency is better than Liana n swift if driven in 2wd mode and with light foot owing to its small size.
    its 3 door which you are looking for.

    PS The only con is that u mentioned that u r looking for a used 70 series LC or hilux etc which I will not recommend as being a newbie to the world of 4WD u ll not like to spent most of ur time in workshops but rather to learn how 4x4 is all about.

    PPS You can put down my suggestion and I will not mind


    Happy offroading
    Nice suggestion. But as i heard, it has M13AA engine which is vvti and better than liana/ swift.
    Please take care of your near and dear ones. Drive safely.
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    I really appreciate a good discussion on this thread.
    Please take care of your near and dear ones. Drive safely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouadhafeez View Post
    First off...welcome to the affliction.

    Going about choosing your first off-road rig is a momentous occasion, so your anxiety with regards to the choice of vehicle is perfectly understandable. In addition, spending a good deal of money is also an obvious source of tension, so I can perfectly empathise with what you're thinking, and how precious, snippets of advice must seem to you. Please let me warn you, though: such advice is ultimately incapable of hitting the nail exactly on the head. Putting forward theoretical examples of the best possible off-roaders, has little/nothing to do with actually being able to FIND such vehicles to buy.

    When you ask a question like the one you have, please be prepared to be bombarded by so MANY points of view, that it will make the ultimate decision even MORE difficult. Our opinions will be tainted by what we drive respectively. You'll be advised to buy a Suzuki/Nissan/Mitsu/Toyota/Honda/Kia by sincere well-wishers, who are merely offering you their point of view, as refracted through the prism of their own understanding.

    Let me thus come to the end point at the outset. Ultimately you MUST go with what you think suits you best. The fact that you already have an inclination towards some vehicle more than others, is a clear indication to you in this regard. However, in essence, I do agree with what you (and dms664) have already mentioned; a SWB, three door "compact" SUV...which can take a bit of a beating, is comfortable, and economical.

    Choices in these are wide and diverse, within the type of money you're talking about. Some of the good "breeds" you can choose from are:-
    a) Suzuki Jimny / Grand Vitara.
    b) Toyota Rush / Daihatsu Bego / Toyota RAV4.
    c) 70 Series TLC (RKR shape).
    d) 90 Series TLC (Prado).
    e) Mitsubishi Pajero / Shogun.
    f) Range Rover Classic / Land Rover Overlander.

    All of these are comparable vehicles, and your choice would essentially boil down to purely personal preference. Within the 2 Million price range, you can of course, get larger SUVs as well. Whether or not you NEED to do that, is again, your personal preference.

    Lastly, there's the matter of condition. It's quite possible that you find an absolutely beautiful vehicle of a shape/vintage that you aren't seriously considering. Such vehicles have their own merit, which mustn't be disregarded. Personally, I would rate a brand new Jimny, far higher than a poor-condition 80 Series. Or a very well maintained Bego, better than a beaten up 70 Series. Keep an open mind when you go "SUV shopping". It'll stand you in good stead.

    Best of luck with the endeavour.
    I strongly agree with our senior member fouad hafeez, I have gone through this phase for over an year till I got my first SUV.

    I have same usage and small family like yours, and intend to go to northern areas and cholistan in an year.

    Durabilty Toyota no one else even come closer to it other than Defender

    Parts availabilty Cheap parts readily available whatever you choose whether Prado or Landcruiser

    Ease of Maintainence You can easily do maintainence from Toyota Dealership as well (personnel experience no hanky phanky)

    Looks You have a variety between Landcruiser, Prado and Surf

    Comfort Jeeps having coil springs are comfortable as compared to one having leaf springs.

    Fuel efficiency 1KZ city 6-7 km/l on long routes jkeeping it upto 100 it will give 9-10km/l.

    A quick comparison could be that most of the pajero and even Landrover are converted to Toyota engines. Really you open the sales section of pakwheels and most of the 1st gen pajeros and landrover defender would be converted to toyota engines.

    Landrover could be very powerful in terms of offroading etc. but there is another thing these vehicles are not designed for the quality of fuel we have here.

    Even toyota with there new D4D technology is a big failure in pakistan it does not mean that the technology is failure but the reason is that it is not designed for the fuel quality we have.

    Let me share my experience

    Got an HJ60, 3980 cc, 6 cylinder diesel engine, 400000 kms driven throughout in private use, mostly in original paint, the factors which I considered before buying it was that its an old school vehicle with no sensors and very less hassles, its like a pure mechanical machine, so considering its age she wont let you down anywhere up north by some malfunctioning of its sensors etc.

    Parts are readily available from montgomery road lahore and are cheap, did all preventive maintainence from Toyota Ravi motors, put new Yokohama Geolandar AT/S and enjoying the ride.

    Its giving superb fuel efficiency of 8 km/l in city and 10 km/l on highway although Iwas quite frightened by its 3980 cc in the beginning but then read alot of forums on www.ih8mud.com regaridng it usage, reliabilty and running cost.

    The most enjoyable thing is that I slept in it by folding its rear seats on my recent camping trip to Rohtas fort, by folding its rear seats you get a 5'-6" x 4'-9" (bed enough for two persons) just lay your sleeping bag and you can sleep anywhere in it provided the weather is good.

    Its really rough and tough machine offcourse its has not too much accessories but its like a camper vehicle, you can have plenty of luggage in it.

    Regarding prado you can see my comments on the following link:

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/4x4...do-1990-1996-a

    But at he end its your own choice do have as many views as you can and then sit back and make up your own mind.

    Wish you good luck.

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    Thank you so much "jehanzebnasir". You're a gem. The info shared has been extremely helpful.

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    So what did u buy ?

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    Yes please,,, what did you buy then @ahsontariq

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    dear in 2.0 million you can buy a Power Monster 3.5 ltr 3 door pajero in mint condition of 98 or a little younger truck. i have a 2.8 inter-cooler pajero , i run her this year all around North chitral to hunza , then skardu to babusar , believe me she never miss a beat . and the torch and power is unbelieved crossed massive terrens like a piece of cake . this ride is made for a proffessional offroader not for destroying flower plants in your court yard. that's the reason they put two high power batteries for power if one gets wrong in remote area while your expedition then the other one works for the substitute start up. even she can pull a two ton camper in your back like a train . but first thing first only go near a mint condition pajero , never ever go for a ride which need works and restoration .. it will end up in a night mare .

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    @travelinghell
    This is more than two years old thread and Mr. ahsontariq is not willing to tell what did he buy finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarxe View Post
    @travelinghell
    This is more than two years old thread and Mr. ahsontariq is not willing to tell what did he buy finally.

    lol thanks dear for correction .. i really have not seen the date of this thread ... man that's a wast of energy

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    If you are interested in Jimny then Pm me
    I have orignal 1.3 dohc jimny

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