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    I just test drove new Pakistan assembled Toyota Fortuner 2013. Here's my review of the vehicle along with some pictures I was able to take.

    Exterior: 7/10 - I saw the one in dark gray mica color and it looked pretty nice. It has a fresh design with nice curves and style. I would personally prefer white color though.

    Dashboard: 5/10 - Those driving Civics, Premios, Mark X and Surf are not going to be excited about it. It's pretty basic. Although they have given leather steering and black piano trim it still doesn't spark. DVD, gear and speedometer is also average. Nothing stands out.

    Interior: 6/10 - Tan leather seats and overall ambiance inside the cabin gives it a nice look and there's nothing out of ordinary. However, it feel pretty congested and 3 normal sized people would be tight sitting in the 2nd row. 3rd row is very tight and only 10-12 year old children would fit in there.

    Drive: 5/10 - It felt quite stiff and heavy. You cannot compare it's ride to Prado or Land Cruiser. At a speed of 100 km/hr it didn't feel very stable on a bumpy road. I believe it will have stability issues on motor way where there are heavy gusts of wind in some areas as well as on curvy roads at high speeds.

    Engine: 6/10 - The engine isn't under powered; it's just about the right size. It didn't feel sluggish. You won't be able to drag race it with Corolla or Civic though. I know we are going to complain about fuel consumption because it's all time 4WD which isn't going to be a good idea since it's a city car.

    Price: 4/10 - Now it all comes down to the price which IMC hasn't announced yet but most probably it's 5.2 million. So the question is how much are you willing to throw away for a car that's 6/10 in Pakistani market. Since we have seen comparison of prices of Fortuner with other countries in different threads I am going to repeat the same thing. After seeing and driving it I am more convinced that this car belongs in around 4.2 million bracket. My limit to purchase this car would be 4.5 million. There's no way I am spending 5.2 million on it and after taxes and registration it would be around 5.8 million. Sorry, IMC but I am not up for that.

    Bottom line: All in all it's not a bad car to own and drive but it felt like an upgrade or big brother of Vigo and then it all comes down to value for money. You need to see what you get in return of the money you spend. I would personally either prefer a Surf or a Mercedes in 4 million range and if I have to spend close to 6 million then I am going for a Prado. Yes, there are people who would buy it for even 7 million and consider it a good price for a "brand new" car but I am not willing to go down that road. IMC would have difficult time selling it over 4.5 million. The Sales Manager at Toyota dealership also said that this car will sell itself at 4.5 million but at 5.2 million it will be very difficult. Initially they might get a good response but it will eventually slow down.

    Price Comparison: I did a small price comparison with different countries. I used current foreign currency exchange rate. I wonder why is there a minor difference in the price of Altis and Fortuner in other countries and why do we have to pay almost 3 times in Pakistan for Fortuner? I believe that's because Fortuner is not considered a luxury car in other countries and they think of it as an upgrade to a pickup truck. You can see Altis is cheaper in Pakistan than most of the countries then why not Fortuner?


    Country Altis 1.8L Fortuner 2.7L
    India 2,616,838 4,041,730
    Thailand 2,957,710 4,158,560
    UAE 1,909,050 3,404,250
    Philippines 2,795,100 3,334,760
    Pakistan 2,084,000 5,175,000

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    Nice finding. Here's the direct link to the excerpts you quoted Local assembly of Toyota Fortuner commenced in Pakistan CKD duty in Pakistan is not exactly 40%. It varies between 32.5% and 50%.

    Here's another link. Look at the bottom of the article. That's what we have been arguing all along that if Corolla could be cheaper than other countries then why not Fortuner? Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan Following is a snippet from this article. The price comparison is almost similar to what I posted in my review.

    "Busting the myth that new car prices in Pakistan are highest in the region, he said that the factual position is that the prices of the locally manufactured car brands are lower than the prices of similar brands made in region and other countries.
    He said that Toyota Corolla basic has RSP (less taxes) of approximately Rs 1.69 million in United Arab Emirates whereas similar Toyota model (XLi) has RSP (less taxes) of Rs 1.01 million when made in Pakistan.
    Corolla top’s RSP (less taxes) in UAE is Rs 1.95 million while Corolla Altis (full spec) in Pakistan has RSP (less taxes) of Rs 1.38 million."



    Quote Originally Posted by nickatnite View Post
    read this in an Indian publication, excerpts below:

    "The import duty for cars which have engine displacement higher than 1.8-litres is 150% making the Fortuner a distant dream to many SUV lovers. In order to evade the import duty, Indus Motor Company, the local partner of Toyota, has started importing the SUV as CKD kits which are then assembled locally.

    The move reduces the import duty by 40% out of which Toyota has decided to pass on around 37% to the customer. The local assembly has made Indus Motor Company (IMC) the only automaker to locally assemble SUVs which cost beyond 5 million Pakistani Rupee.

    IMC has been constructing the facility for the last 3 years and has invested around 5 billion Pakistani Rupee (around 277 crore rupees). Toyota has revised the price of the Fortuner following the local assembly. The new price is 5.17 million Pakistani Rupee (around Rs. 28.67 lakhs) while the price of the imported unit stood at 8.2 million Pakistani Rupee (around Rs. 45.44 lakhs)."

    wanna ask IMC where they import the CKDs from?

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    Any update on Fortuner? Anyone booked or got a delivery yet? I saw 2 Fortuners in DHA, Lahore in one week; one is silver and other one in dark gray (Gun metallic). For some reason it didn't look good in both these colors and also looked small. I guess we are used to seeing Prados and LCs on roads most of the time. White and Black would probably look good. We'll have to wait until more people get deliveries.

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    well my cousin bought fortuner 3 days ago
    just had a test ride

    over all looks r good
    2.7l engine is also good enough to pull
    but engine sound is too much noisy

    steering is bit hard as compared to prado

    ride is too much bumpy

    less space at last row seats

    comes with fectory fitted navigation that good

    full average shows 4km/ltr (vs my prado 3.4l gives 6.5km/ltr)

    road grip is ok according to me

    according to me a brand new suv 2013 model worths 5.2 million
    as compared to a brand new prado 2013 worth approx 12.5 million

    still i preferd my prado 2003 3.4l tz that is in awesome condition in all aspects

    enjoy few pix
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    3.9 se 4.5 tk ki average ha iski... much less than an old 3.0 ltr prado.... i hav seen in 4 fortuners.

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    That's an average you'd expect from a 5L engine. Is Toyota behind new technology? My 6L Escalade gave me 12 miles per gallon which is almost 4 km per Liter. 5.4L Navigator also has almost same average.

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    People will always compare it to Prado and it can never be as comfortable and joy to drive like a Prado. Anyone who has driven or owns a Prado is never going to prefer Fortuner even if it is brand new.

    Quote Originally Posted by fireblade View Post
    well my cousin bought fortuner 3 days ago
    just had a test ride

    over all looks r good
    2.7l engine is also good enough to pull
    but engine sound is too much noisy

    steering is bit hard as compared to prado

    ride is too much bumpy

    less space at last row seats

    comes with fectory fitted navigation that good

    full average shows 4km/ltr (vs my prado 3.4l gives 6.5km/ltr)

    road grip is ok according to me

    according to me a brand new suv 2013 model worths 5.2 million
    as compared to a brand new prado 2013 worth approx 12.5 million

    still i preferd my prado 2003 3.4l tz that is in awesome condition in all aspects

    enjoy few pix

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    Since I have been thinking of buying a Mercedes I have been noticing a lot of C180s in DHA, Lahore area. It's the most popular car that I see in this area after Civic. I think I now see less Prados when comparing it to Mercedes on the road. It has become a popular car in the past one year or so and that's what I was talking about. IMC should have targeted this market segment.

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    What I want to know is why we got the 65L tank and not the 80L?!

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    I had a detailed look at it on Lahore car show Toyota display. To me it was a good machine with right ingredients for our environment. Quality issues were there like all PKDM cars, but overall, not bad. Comparing it with prado or old LC's is unjustified as it is a budget version SUV all over the world. Cheaper alternatives can never be as good as costly cousins
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    4.9km/litre.

    3litre prado wale b ye lekr pashta rhe hain....itni jldi flop hgai i cant believe. did anybody see many of these on the road?

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    To be honest, I was asking myself exactly the same question today. Why I don't see any of these on the road, is it because Toyota still have these in production and couldn't deliver much or is it a flop already? Total number of Fortuners seen on road in 2 weeks is 3 and I am talking about DHA area.
    It also looks like that NCP scheme is also killing it's sales. People are going for bigger Land Cruisers at half the price.


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    4.9km/litre.

    3litre prado wale b ye lekr pashta rhe hain....itni jldi flop hgai i cant believe. did anybody see many of these on the road?

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    Poor Pakistanis, paying 5 million plus on this 3rd class SUV!!!
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    The earlier Fortuner was available in 4 speed automatic transmission which is now replaced by a five speed automatic transmission box. The new toyota Fortuner comes with in the competitive price range of rs. 18 lac to 20 lac. As per toyota fortuner review, the interior of the car are elegant and stylish interiors. The safety that one can find in the new Fortuner are ABS with EBD with EBD, dual front airbags. Performance wise as well looks, toyota fortuner is a stunner.

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    They should sell the single cabin hilux as a workhorse and the double cabin as a family budget SUV. With a Fortuner platform, suspensions, cabin interior and the hilux's D4d engine with the open bed; it would make one very capable ride.

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    These guys are paid to do the reviews. None of the reviews sites are neutral. How do you think they make money from a site; of course it's sponsorship and Ads.

    Quote Originally Posted by suresh123 View Post
    The earlier Fortuner was available in 4 speed automatic transmission which is now replaced by a five speed automatic transmission box. The new toyota Fortuner comes with in the competitive price range of rs. 18 lac to 20 lac. As per toyota fortuner review, the interior of the car are elegant and stylish interiors. The safety that one can find in the new Fortuner are ABS with EBD with EBD, dual front airbags. Performance wise as well looks, toyota fortuner is a stunner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kala_shah_kaku View Post
    These guys are paid to do the reviews. None of the reviews sites are neutral. How do you think they make money from a site; of course it's sponsorship and Ads.
    May be what you said is true but by reading these reviews you should also take a test drive and decide whether the reviews are true or just fake. Only by two or three test on these reviews made you clear whether they are true or not.

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    I think every review site is not fake, most of the reviews are genuine there on the various review sites.

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    This review might not be fake but I have yet to find a big reputable review site that's not put for the purpose of making money. Being in the IT business I know for a fact that there's nothing called "free review".


    Quote Originally Posted by suresh123 View Post
    I think every review site is not fake, most of the reviews are genuine there on the various review sites.

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    Did anyone check Fortuner Ad in Jang today? For the first time in the history of Pakistan automotive industry a company listed price of a vehicle with GST mentioned separately So the approx. cost of Fortuner is 4.4 million without GST. What's IMC trying to say? Are they saying that the price was actually 4.4 million but because of the GST it went up? Nice try IMC, we are still not buying it

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    The word you're supposed to be using is 'biased' not fake or false.

    As for 4.4 mil, when you're getting ckd kits instead of manufacturing them over here through t.o.t; well then you can make up any number of stories to explain your high prices. People won't mind, care, or even bother to know why they're being made to pay almost twice the price than people in other countries for buying a lesser spec vehicle.

    It is sad but our lack of applied intelligence, height of ignorance of the world around us has given a few individuals in our society the (intellectual) power to take all of us for a ride on our money.

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