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    I just test drove new Pakistan assembled Toyota Fortuner 2013. Here's my review of the vehicle along with some pictures I was able to take.

    Exterior: 7/10 - I saw the one in dark gray mica color and it looked pretty nice. It has a fresh design with nice curves and style. I would personally prefer white color though.

    Dashboard: 5/10 - Those driving Civics, Premios, Mark X and Surf are not going to be excited about it. It's pretty basic. Although they have given leather steering and black piano trim it still doesn't spark. DVD, gear and speedometer is also average. Nothing stands out.

    Interior: 6/10 - Tan leather seats and overall ambiance inside the cabin gives it a nice look and there's nothing out of ordinary. However, it feel pretty congested and 3 normal sized people would be tight sitting in the 2nd row. 3rd row is very tight and only 10-12 year old children would fit in there.

    Drive: 5/10 - It felt quite stiff and heavy. You cannot compare it's ride to Prado or Land Cruiser. At a speed of 100 km/hr it didn't feel very stable on a bumpy road. I believe it will have stability issues on motor way where there are heavy gusts of wind in some areas as well as on curvy roads at high speeds.

    Engine: 6/10 - The engine isn't under powered; it's just about the right size. It didn't feel sluggish. You won't be able to drag race it with Corolla or Civic though. I know we are going to complain about fuel consumption because it's all time 4WD which isn't going to be a good idea since it's a city car.

    Price: 4/10 - Now it all comes down to the price which IMC hasn't announced yet but most probably it's 5.2 million. So the question is how much are you willing to throw away for a car that's 6/10 in Pakistani market. Since we have seen comparison of prices of Fortuner with other countries in different threads I am going to repeat the same thing. After seeing and driving it I am more convinced that this car belongs in around 4.2 million bracket. My limit to purchase this car would be 4.5 million. There's no way I am spending 5.2 million on it and after taxes and registration it would be around 5.8 million. Sorry, IMC but I am not up for that.

    Bottom line: All in all it's not a bad car to own and drive but it felt like an upgrade or big brother of Vigo and then it all comes down to value for money. You need to see what you get in return of the money you spend. I would personally either prefer a Surf or a Mercedes in 4 million range and if I have to spend close to 6 million then I am going for a Prado. Yes, there are people who would buy it for even 7 million and consider it a good price for a "brand new" car but I am not willing to go down that road. IMC would have difficult time selling it over 4.5 million. The Sales Manager at Toyota dealership also said that this car will sell itself at 4.5 million but at 5.2 million it will be very difficult. Initially they might get a good response but it will eventually slow down.

    Price Comparison: I did a small price comparison with different countries. I used current foreign currency exchange rate. I wonder why is there a minor difference in the price of Altis and Fortuner in other countries and why do we have to pay almost 3 times in Pakistan for Fortuner? I believe that's because Fortuner is not considered a luxury car in other countries and they think of it as an upgrade to a pickup truck. You can see Altis is cheaper in Pakistan than most of the countries then why not Fortuner?


    Country Altis 1.8L Fortuner 2.7L
    India 2,616,838 4,041,730
    Thailand 2,957,710 4,158,560
    UAE 1,909,050 3,404,250
    Philippines 2,795,100 3,334,760
    Pakistan 2,084,000 5,175,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    The word you're supposed to be using is 'biased' not fake or false.

    As for 4.4 mil, when you're getting ckd kits instead of manufacturing them over here through t.o.t; well then you can make up any number of stories to explain your high prices. People won't mind, care, or even bother to know why they're being made to pay almost twice the price than people in other countries for buying a lesser spec vehicle.

    It is sad but our lack of applied intelligence, height of ignorance of the world around us has given a few individuals in our society the (intellectual) power to take all of us for a ride on our money.

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    While not defending IMC the price of PKR 4.4 million is the same as it is in Thailand or India. The vehicle is Manufactured in Thailand and even in INDIA it is imported in CKD form and assembled. We have just become a nation of critics who love to criticise everything for the sake of it. Don't think the vehicle is worth it dont buy it, its that simple. But i dont believe a company the size of IMC and 40 percent owned by TOYOTA would introduce a product they didnt think would sell!! Just my opinion.

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    i dont understand why IMC is showing price + gst on the newspaper as i havent seen IMC doing it for corollas, same for Honda atlas can up with civic/city price being high but we all know honda civic price is higher in Thailand compare to Pakistan price....i met Toyota showroom owner/partners n asked them if its selling or not...guess wats its readily available now n i told them the problem is price which is higher compare to other Asian countries but they come up with excuses saying its 97% parts r imported which is hurting the price
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Don't compare apples to oranges. Honda or for that matter any car manufacturer prices their car according the specific economic conditions of that particular country in which it is being sold. That is why the price may be same but not the build quality. Whereas in some countries a wide variety of power trains are given and in some like our case, owing to specific (economic, social and political) conditions we're given a very limited choice.
    If you want to compare Honda Thailand with Honda Pakistan then look at the different factors which are influencing the growth and sale of Honda in both countries. And you will see why Thailand manufactured cars are better than Pakistan. Once you know this 'why' you will know how unfair and why nearly every manufacturer in Pakistan is being unfair to its customers.

    Conclusion:
    The facts are too long to list over here or anywhere else for that matter. But what can be done is a consistently persistent effort by our educated people to continuously highlight these gross inequalities that companies in Pakistan are carrying out, in the hope one day they would wise up and start giving us for what we are paying for. Because in the end, it is the customer who is right, not the producer.
    Difficult I can do today, impossible will take a little longer.

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    Very well said. +1

    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    The word you're supposed to be using is 'biased' not fake or false.

    As for 4.4 mil, when you're getting ckd kits instead of manufacturing them over here through t.o.t; well then you can make up any number of stories to explain your high prices. People won't mind, care, or even bother to know why they're being made to pay almost twice the price than people in other countries for buying a lesser spec vehicle.

    It is sad but our lack of applied intelligence, height of ignorance of the world around us has given a few individuals in our society the (intellectual) power to take all of us for a ride on our money.

    nexus

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    That's the kind of mind set and approach because of which we have injustice in our society. There are companies and individuals making billions while a low key shop owner could hardly feed his kids. People would sell something for Rs. 1000 and make Rs. 10 profit while companies like IMC want to make 50% profit for anything they sell. The pity is people are not even willing to say if something is wrong. They will say "layni hai toe loo nahi toe agli dukan pe jao"


    Quote Originally Posted by fee View Post
    While not defending IMC the price of PKR 4.4 million is the same as it is in Thailand or India. The vehicle is Manufactured in Thailand and even in INDIA it is imported in CKD form and assembled. We have just become a nation of critics who love to criticise everything for the sake of it. Don't think the vehicle is worth it dont buy it, its that simple. But i dont believe a company the size of IMC and 40 percent owned by TOYOTA would introduce a product they didnt think would sell!! Just my opinion.

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    fail hogai ha. ab gst k sath ad lga rhe hain hahaha.....

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    mileage is going to get better after around 5000 KM..
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    @ 5.2 million they did not even bother to gave mats look they gave paper ones
    miles to go

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    Today I went to Jail road and there was only one Fortuner in probably about 50 show rooms. I was wondering, whenever a new model of Civic or Corolla comes out show rooms are flooded with these new models and dealers ask owns of up to 2 lacs. So what happened to Fortuner? zara sochiya!!!
    I also think that IMC's strategy to make maximum sales during election period also flopped because of NCP vehicle amnesty scheme.
    They also failed to calculate the impact of bad web PR. When you tell someone that ABC is trying to unfairly sell you something for Rs. 10 that has a fair price of Rs. 6 then he is never going to buy it. That's what happened here. Let's do an analysis;
    This thread has about 15k views at the moment. Let's assume 2k real people actually read or followed it. Those 2k visitors were somehow interested in Fortuner. Those people spread the word around and now probably 10k people who could have been interested in Fortuner know this story. Let's also assume out of 10k people only 200 were actual buyers. My assumption is that those buyers are almost gone and this is going to grow with time when people see Fortuner on roads and then decide to do some research on it and this thread shows up on 1st page of Google or Pakwheels. IMC sales estimate for Fortuner is 2k per year and half of that is already gone because of high price, better German cars in less price, NCP scheme, lower feature/status symbol than Prado, etc. I might be wrong but I do web traffic/conversion analysis as part of my job.

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    Can you enlighten us on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by ahm13 View Post
    mileage is going to get better after around 5000 KM..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kala_shah_kaku View Post
    Can you enlighten us on this?
    new engines have a break in period.. it should get better but if its giving 4km/l right now, i dont think it will give more than 5 though..
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    run in to sb engines ki hoti ha... nd i was telling about the person who has already done long trips on it. its stil 4.9 in city.

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    IMC ka profit margin itna zada tha k after 300 sales every sale was a full profit....i think itna to achieve kr he lya hoga...there were many retards going for it. ab 4.9 mileage lekr bethe hain.... maybe islya roads pr nzr nai ata lolx.

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    i saw on feuly.com that a 5700 cc toyota tundra was doing 4-5km/litre... its reported by users , not the company. is it true?

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    In my personal experience gas guzzler SUVs with 5L to 6L engine have the same average as Fortuner. I am sure it's because of old technology.

    Quote Originally Posted by mani9999 View Post
    i saw on feuly.com that a 5700 cc toyota tundra was doing 4-5km/litre... its reported by users , not the company. is it true?

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    i would rather buy vigo and make it look nice... compared to this crap n save myself 2 million

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    When you buy big vehicles you buy them for torque and luxury, sport cars for HP and family sedans/hatchbacks for economy. The Fortuner is wrong in every respect with regard to its projected image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    When you buy big vehicles you buy them for torque and luxury, sport cars for HP and family sedans for economy. The Fortuner is wrong in every regard with respect to its projected image.

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    Even wrong in pricing, too. I "was" a genuine buyer. But now thinking like "why not buy two vigo's instead of one fortuner?' Or buy one vigo for all the adventures and 4x4 excursions and one civic for all the family needs and daily driving. Both these vehicles are more fuel efficient too. A slight price differential may be covered by savings in fuel. Vigo has a whole lot better masculine presence and image on the road. Fortuner seems too sissy in person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post
    Don't compare apples to oranges. Honda or for that matter any car manufacturer prices their car according the specific economic conditions of that particular country in which it is being sold. That is why the price may be same but not the build quality. Whereas in some countries a wide variety of power trains are given and in some like our case, owing to specific (economic, social and political) conditions we're given a very limited choice.
    If you want to compare Honda Thailand with Honda Pakistan then look at the different factors which are influencing the growth and sale of Honda in both countries. And you will see why Thailand manufactured cars are better than Pakistan. Once you know this 'why' you will know how unfair and why nearly every manufacturer in Pakistan is being unfair to its customers.

    Conclusion:
    The facts are too long to list over here or anywhere else for that matter. But what can be done is a consistently persistent effort by our educated people to continuously highlight these gross inequalities that companies in Pakistan are carrying out, in the hope one day they would wise up and start giving us for what we are paying for. Because in the end, it is the customer who is right, not the producer.
    buddy i was comparing prices of Thailand cars with Pak assembled as u know most of the parts r from Thailand....in Thailand toyota selling fortuner for 12,64000 baht 2700cc petrol but its 4x2 so let just say 13 lacs baht which is almost 43 lacs rupees but honda thailand is selling civic for 850k baht which is 28 lacs rs....tht mean Toyota Indus is either fooling on gst or Atlas Honda selling in really gud price...ofcourse Thailand manufacture cars r much much better than local one as i own Toyota Vigo thailand model 2700cc petrol one
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehalin View Post
    Even wrong in pricing, too. I "was" a genuine buyer. But now thinking like "why not buy two vigo's instead of one fortuner?' Or buy one vigo for all the adventures and 4x4 excursions and one civic for all the family needs and daily driving. Both these vehicles are more fuel efficient too. A slight price differential may be covered by savings in fuel. Vigo has a whole lot better masculine presence and image on the road. Fortuner seems too sissy in person.
    Indus vigos did show some sales after its introduction. One of the reasons being vigo/hilux is already an established model and has some niche market. Fortuner is not an established model and even though it was being offered as imported but without any luck so it is a sort of new introduction from Toyota. I feel that fortuner will remain a flop due to its pricing issue. But Indus being a local manufacturer and considering their history and mentality, my fears are that they will raise the prices of Vigo and that too just to give a boost to sales of fortuner or to clear its backlog. Vigo/hilux sales are somewhat constant since its mostly bought by government departments or rural buyers. A small percentage of Rs. 4~5million segment private buyers may switch to fortuner if there is less differnetial between the prices of vigo and fortuner. But toyota will definitely not manage it by reducing the price of fortuner. It will definitely be other way around. So if someone is planning to purchase a vigo, do it now!
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