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    I just test drove new Pakistan assembled Toyota Fortuner 2013. Here's my review of the vehicle along with some pictures I was able to take.

    Exterior: 7/10 - I saw the one in dark gray mica color and it looked pretty nice. It has a fresh design with nice curves and style. I would personally prefer white color though.

    Dashboard: 5/10 - Those driving Civics, Premios, Mark X and Surf are not going to be excited about it. It's pretty basic. Although they have given leather steering and black piano trim it still doesn't spark. DVD, gear and speedometer is also average. Nothing stands out.

    Interior: 6/10 - Tan leather seats and overall ambiance inside the cabin gives it a nice look and there's nothing out of ordinary. However, it feel pretty congested and 3 normal sized people would be tight sitting in the 2nd row. 3rd row is very tight and only 10-12 year old children would fit in there.

    Drive: 5/10 - It felt quite stiff and heavy. You cannot compare it's ride to Prado or Land Cruiser. At a speed of 100 km/hr it didn't feel very stable on a bumpy road. I believe it will have stability issues on motor way where there are heavy gusts of wind in some areas as well as on curvy roads at high speeds.

    Engine: 6/10 - The engine isn't under powered; it's just about the right size. It didn't feel sluggish. You won't be able to drag race it with Corolla or Civic though. I know we are going to complain about fuel consumption because it's all time 4WD which isn't going to be a good idea since it's a city car.

    Price: 4/10 - Now it all comes down to the price which IMC hasn't announced yet but most probably it's 5.2 million. So the question is how much are you willing to throw away for a car that's 6/10 in Pakistani market. Since we have seen comparison of prices of Fortuner with other countries in different threads I am going to repeat the same thing. After seeing and driving it I am more convinced that this car belongs in around 4.2 million bracket. My limit to purchase this car would be 4.5 million. There's no way I am spending 5.2 million on it and after taxes and registration it would be around 5.8 million. Sorry, IMC but I am not up for that.

    Bottom line: All in all it's not a bad car to own and drive but it felt like an upgrade or big brother of Vigo and then it all comes down to value for money. You need to see what you get in return of the money you spend. I would personally either prefer a Surf or a Mercedes in 4 million range and if I have to spend close to 6 million then I am going for a Prado. Yes, there are people who would buy it for even 7 million and consider it a good price for a "brand new" car but I am not willing to go down that road. IMC would have difficult time selling it over 4.5 million. The Sales Manager at Toyota dealership also said that this car will sell itself at 4.5 million but at 5.2 million it will be very difficult. Initially they might get a good response but it will eventually slow down.

    Price Comparison: I did a small price comparison with different countries. I used current foreign currency exchange rate. I wonder why is there a minor difference in the price of Altis and Fortuner in other countries and why do we have to pay almost 3 times in Pakistan for Fortuner? I believe that's because Fortuner is not considered a luxury car in other countries and they think of it as an upgrade to a pickup truck. You can see Altis is cheaper in Pakistan than most of the countries then why not Fortuner?


    Country Altis 1.8L Fortuner 2.7L
    India 2,616,838 4,041,730
    Thailand 2,957,710 4,158,560
    UAE 1,909,050 3,404,250
    Philippines 2,795,100 3,334,760
    Pakistan 2,084,000 5,175,000

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    Bhai jan! please check youtube videos where they explain the body difference between vigo and fortuner. It's exactly the same Chassis and the upper body is same until the end of first door. The modified body starts from the 2nd door. Meaning almost 60% of upper body is same. Of course they have changed other stuff too like lights, bumpers, hood, rear doors etc. No one is saying that it's not a nice vehicle but it lacks a couple of safety features that are must for an SUV and the price is ridiculously high.


    Quote Originally Posted by pradolover View Post
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    toyota designed fortuner for asian markets , fortuner has good off road ability
    some people said hilux vigo per body laga di fortuner ban gaya wht a funny
    any company design any vehicle first they design according 2 weather conditions ,road conditons n needs of people if pakistanis need toyota tundra 100% they can launch tundra here

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    No they are not allowing test drive anymore.

    And what did he say to safety issue ? Lol
    He said "pakistan ma kisi ki life ki koi parwa nahi ha. Corolla 08 to yad hogi apko ? Brakes nai kam krti thi skid kr jati thi. Aur uski sale dekho. Yaha koi recal nahi honi thailand ma fortuner recal hui hogi yaha nai hgi. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by kala_shah_kaku View Post
    Bhai jan! please check youtube videos where they explain the body difference between vigo and fortuner. It's exactly the same Chassis and the upper body is same until the end of first door. The modified body starts from the 2nd door. Meaning almost 60% of upper body is same. Of course they have changed other stuff too like lights, bumpers, hood, rear doors etc. No one is saying that it's not a nice vehicle but it lacks a couple of safety features that are must for an SUV and the price is ridiculously high.
    Quote Originally Posted by pradolover View Post
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    toyota designed fortuner for asian markets , fortuner has good off road ability
    some people said hilux vigo per body laga di fortuner ban gaya wht a funny
    any company design any vehicle first they design according 2 weather conditions ,road conditons n needs of people if pakistanis need toyota tundra 100% they can launch tundra here
    Bhai wat is funny ? Chasis ka pta ha ? Its under body frame of the vehicle. body on frame construction ma chasis k upr body hoti ha. Im saying k vigo aur fortuner ki body k neechay same chasis ha. Use google to search this fact ha.

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    IMC ceo said, fortuner manufacturing is 2000 units per annnum, I hope they will find 2000 fools, who wil buy this vehicles at this high price, IMC aise hi tu 5 billion ka profit nai kama rahi,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kala_shah_kaku View Post
    Bhai jan! please check youtube videos where they explain the body difference between vigo and fortuner. It's exactly the same Chassis and the upper body is same until the end of first door. The modified body starts from the 2nd door. Meaning almost 60% of upper body is same. Of course they have changed other stuff too like lights, bumpers, hood, rear doors etc. No one is saying that it's not a nice vehicle but it lacks a couple of safety features that are must for an SUV and the price is ridiculously high.
    exactly apna answer khud hi da dia hai
    i knw chasis same hai vigo or fortuner k apna khud hi kaha 60% same hai but 40% tu company na usa design kia hai na suv shape k lia

    hummer h2 or h2 SUT
    mitsubishi triton or mitsubishi pajero sports
    cadillac escalade or cadillac escalade EXT
    toyota tundra or toyota sequoia
    i mentioned some vehicles check all these vehicles then u get da answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani9999 View Post
    Bhai wat is funny ? Chasis ka pta ha ? Its under body frame of the vehicle. body on frame construction ma chasis k upr body hoti ha. Im saying k vigo aur fortuner ki body k neechay same chasis ha. Use google to search this fact ha.
    i knw each n every thing
    sab cars k lia alag chasis design nahi hota mera bhai
    mitsubishi or dodge ki mostly SUV's k chasis same hai
    GMC k jitna brands han chevrolet ,cadillac,buick ,holden,vaxhaull in mein mostly SUV's or car k chasis same hai

    i think u got da point

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani9999 View Post
    So i went to check it out at a dealership today.

    First impression its smaller than i expected.
    Did not look as large as the vigo champ somehow.

    So i asked my concerns to the sales manager he tried to make comparisons with landcruiser and stuff but i had too much in store for him.
    After some time he caved in and told the truth. Indus knows its quite overpriced and they do not intend to sell a lot of them either. He says first month is expected to have 70 sales and then its going to go slow. Indus wants to skim the cream with this they dnt want many sales.

    No safety features except two airbags. Rear bumper was quite flimsy and bent in one place. Leather seats were better than i had expected.
    It lacked some charm. Looked like a jacked up vigo from front.

    Dealer says he would report the concerns but dont expect imc to listen.
    dealer r trying to fool customer about comparing with prado n land cruiser.....fortuner is the cheapest SUV in toyota n yet they r charging 10 lacs rs more than any other countries ....in first few months it will sell coz of corporates who have to get their execs better, so are forced to buy these jeeps at these ridiculous prices
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pradolover View Post
    i knw each n every thing
    sab cars k lia alag chasis design nahi hota mera bhai
    mitsubishi or dodge ki mostly SUV's k chasis same hai
    GMC k jitna brands han chevrolet ,cadillac,buick ,holden,vaxhaull in mein mostly SUV's or car k chasis same hai

    i think u got da point
    chasis r same but the design has to be different such as suspension, springs n other stuff...i think tacoma n hilux share same chasis/frame
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Yes, I also think the same. There are enough fools to get IMC through the first year or at least 6-8 months. The trouble will start after every fool has purchased it


    Quote Originally Posted by shoaibss View Post
    IMC ceo said, fortuner manufacturing is 2000 units per annnum, I hope they will find 2000 fools, who wil buy this vehicles at this high price, IMC aise hi tu 5 billion ka profit nai kama rahi,

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    There's no comparison between a Fortuner and Prado. Land Cruiser is in a totally different class. But people are falling for this argument keh brand new phir brand new hai.


    Quote Originally Posted by salik990 View Post
    dealer r trying to fool customer about comparing with prado n land cruiser.....fortuner is the cheapest SUV in toyota n yet they r charging 10 lacs rs more than any other countries ....in first few months it will sell coz of corporates who have to get their execs better, so are forced to buy these jeeps at these ridiculous prices

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    Quote Originally Posted by salik990 View Post
    chasis r same but the design has to be different such as suspension, springs n other stuff...i think tacoma n hilux share same chasis/frame
    yes ur right

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    Chasis hilux ki use ki aur uspe body suv ki rkhdi ab cntre of gravity aur suspension ka msla theek nahi kia to roll he hoga wo. Tacoma and landcruiser se compare krae jarae hain sb. Iska comparison bnta nai ha.

    By the way hilux has failed the classic moose test. Toyota made changes to hilux chasis. We hav same old chasis here in pk.

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    IMC is not hoping to sell this to individual customers. They want contracts with organizations where they can sell it overpriced. We know for sure 12lac+ profit per fortuner milra ha imc ko

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani9999 View Post
    indus motors thinks it can fool those people who were clever enough to earn 5.2 million rs just to buy a car ? Think again imc.


    Toyota dealer sent me a letter saying "its the launch of a luxury suv......which is a status symbol , symbol of power and bla bla. . . ."

    they think they can fool us with their words? Its a glorified hilux daala...... They price it 12 lacs more than anywhere in the world and expect us to be blown away by their p.c sneak previews.... . . . .

    Heres what dewan motors is offering.......... A proper luxury vehicle... Made in germany, completly imported.. No lota quality plastics inside....... Lolx ............its a bmw 3 series ......brand new comes out to be 4.5 million rs........ About 10 lacs less than hilux daala conversion made in pakistan.
    bro i agree with you. Even thou there is no comparison btw a 4*4 and a luxery sedan but still value of our hard earned money is a back bone of any buy.
    But i bet you there will b buyers for this cheap quality expensive crap in pakistan with tht price tag, bcuz we r no short of people who sit in the car or buy a car to show off or feel powerful(sick people). There r people who kept pak suzuki alive all these years bcuz a certain mind set and unconsciousness abt the safty of themselves & there families.

    Only our actions can make these local manufacturers to improve the quality they trow at us. Y would they bother to increase their spending if they r doing well with crap quality???

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    fortuner is almost completly imported, but i was amazed how did indus find such cheap plastics. the rear bumper was very thin and flimsy. even thinner than my altis....why? i dont know. when i pointed this to the sales manager he took me to a nearby vigo champ showed its front bumper and said isko dekhre hain? indus walo ko itni shrm ni ai k lacker he krdete...it wasnt shining.

    by the way new vigo had some changes in interior it was looking better than before.

    inside the fortuner looked okay, fit and finish was okay too. seats were better than expected, and i wasnt expecting leather inserts in doors.

    opening and closing the doors, felt the sheet metal was not as thick a guage as the landcruiser, vigo champ wala guage ha.

    roof lining is okay too. they have included map lights, sunshade holders.

    i inspected rear windows for mis alignment but the fit was perfect.

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    I don't think IMC is only targeting companies or government sector. The specifications of this car are geared towards individual buyers. Companies and government doesn't have that much budget allocation for a car and if they do it's for top executives so IMC wouldn't make that many sales in that sector. Police and Army could be their buyers but again I don't think with these specs and price IMC is targeting them. I could be wrong but I see a huge opportunity for this car to sell at 4 million but by pricing it too much IMC will also loose a chance to sell to general public who want to upgrade from their cars in 2.5+ million range.

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    I am more interested in the Vigo will it be offered in 2.7 litre engine or not. As producing one engine(which fits fortuner and vigo) will be cost effective
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertypoiu View Post
    I am more interested in the Vigo will it be offered in 2.7 litre engine or not. As producing one engine(which fits fortuner and vigo) will be cost effective

    the dealer mentioned the new vigo would be even more pricier than the older one............... doesn't look like it would have the 2.7 litre engine........... this is the same engine we have nowadays in toyota hiace.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kala_shah_kaku View Post
    I don't think IMC is only targeting companies or government sector. The specifications of this car are geared towards individual buyers. Companies and government doesn't have that much budget allocation for a car and if they do it's for top executives so IMC wouldn't make that many sales in that sector. Police and Army could be their buyers but again I don't think with these specs and price IMC is targeting them. I could be wrong but I see a huge opportunity for this car to sell at 4 million but by pricing it too much IMC will also loose a chance to sell to general public who want to upgrade from their cars in 2.5+ million range.
    If they actualy want to sell 2500 units/year they would be insane to price it at 5.2 million. . May be a marketing disaster. They said they spent a lot on retooling to make fortuner. They wont b able to make it back and price cannot be lowered once its set. Increase hojati ha but if you lower it to sell it, sales fall even more. Because people know something is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mani9999 View Post
    the dealer mentioned the new vigo would be even more pricier than the older one............... doesn't look like it would have the 2.7 litre engine........... this is the same engine we have nowadays in toyota hiace.......
    Hiace is imported(i think it is) so what ever engine it has does not matter.
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