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    Default LSD or Open Diff or Diff Air Locker in Pajero Gen 2

    Which Diff is the best?

    LSD
    Open Diff
    Diff Air Locker

    and how to check technically that LSD in rear axle is installed or not?
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    Your opinions, suggestion & advice will be highly appreciated

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    Hello Demonoid.
    LSD is best for icy, slippery surfaces like wet roads. Also noticed in the last IJC event that you need to slip for the clutches in the differential to engage. Its not proactive like a true differential lock, where you can lock before an obstacle and have some peace of mind.

    Chances are very high that you have a LSD rear diff if you don't have a dedicated diff lock in a Pajero. There are several types of LSD diffs in a Pajero, including a hydrolic hypoid based LSD and a clutch pack based LSD. You cannot tell without opening the actual diff itself unfortunately. Lift the vehicle from the rear. Undo the hand brake, put it in neutral, try and rotate one tire, if the other one rotates in the same direction, then it is confirmed, congrats you have LSD. If it is very very hard to move any of the tires by hand, you also have LSD. However, none of these tests are conclusive, and if your vehicle doesn't experience any of these symptoms DOES NOT mean you don't have LSD.

    For me, there is no substitute for a proper diff lock.

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    @raohamid bhai i tried the techniques, i put both tire on jack and spin one tire that was not so hard, but the other tire was spinning in opposite direction, so from international forums i concluded that my Pajero has open diff in rear axle...

    I also tried one more technique i put one rear tire on jack and gave throttle that if car can come off the jack but it didn't....

    One more thing on 5 feb when we took our pajero to murree for test, car was stucked in ice, when we applied 4Llc then both passenger side's (One front and one back) tires were spinning with same speed but both tires from back were not spinning...

    Is it possible that my LSD is worn off or got damaged?

    and if suppose i dont have LSD then which diff should i go for? LSD or ARB Air Loscker?
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    It is very possible. However that usually happens when people start putting regular diff oil and not LSD specific oil in a LSD. Go to a Toyota showroom. They carry LSD oil, they are the only ones I found in Islamabad who do. Buy 2 liters, I think it cost me about 2000pkr.

    You should not make any conclusions with the jack method you tried, that is for locked differentials. Also when you don't have weight on a LSD, it may not engage.

    Do the oil change in your diff. Or if adventurous, get your diff opened by a mechanic.

    One more thing, when you are in a situation like when you were in Murree, try engaging the handbrake momentarily, the LSD should kick in.

    Please report back.

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    @raohamid ok that is informative i am using GL-5 currently in all diffs and GL-4 in Gearbox...

    and it seems to me that i am using right oils what do you say?

    http://www.caltex.com.au/ProductsAnd...OilFinder.aspx

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    Dear All,

    Any one heard of Aussie Lockers, I was reviewing em for my FJ 40, they are auto lockers and engage on demand without intervention. Specially with my FJ40 having manual locks to engage diff in the Front, these would work out pretty good. They are $ 599.98 USD for a front and rear + shipping.

    I want to get your opinion for using the LC90 Diff Locks (complete tubes vs AussieLockers) in terms of pricing and reliability.

    Your opinions are requested.
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    The trouble is that too often there is forty horsepower under the bonnet and one asspower at the wheel

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    Demonoid, I think Rao has pretty much said it all here...there is no substitute for a proper diff lock.
    4x4 for life!

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    Any recommendations ???
    The trouble is that too often there is forty horsepower under the bonnet and one asspower at the wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by samvaid View Post
    Any recommendations ???
    A person I know has them on his ride. I would steer away from them immediately. Use them only if you will be using your 40 series as a trail rig. On the road, under power, you never know when they lock. Although, this is what I will be getting this year for sure for my Pajero.

    LOKKA - Automatic Differential Locker

    Slightly different than an Aussie Locker. The Aussie's will lock only when you lose traction, the Lokka on the other hand will always be locked except when you turn etc. Its nearly the inverse of traditional automatic lockers.

    People love the Lokka. Of course there is a down side, harder steering, engaging / disengaging noises when you turn etc. But, the only thing holding me back from ordering one is not knowing who will install it for me.

    Check it out.

    PS. If i had a 40 series, I would just change the differentials, why would you want to mess with auto lockers etc when you can have a true rear and front locked differential??

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    Sir,

    Point taken . Thank you.
    The trouble is that too often there is forty horsepower under the bonnet and one asspower at the wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by samvaid View Post
    Any recommendations ???
    A person I know has them on his ride. I would steer away from them immediately. Use them only if you will be using your 40 series as a trail rig. On the road, under power, you never know when they lock. Although, this is what I will be getting this year for sure for my Pajero.

    LOKKA - Automatic Differential Locker

    Slightly different than an Aussie Locker. The Aussie's will lock only when you lose traction, the Lokka on the other hand will always be locked except when you turn etc. Its nearly the inverse of traditional automatic lockers.

    People love the Lokka. Of course there is a down side, harder steering, engaging / disengaging noises when you turn etc. But, the only thing holding me back from ordering one is not knowing who will install it for me.

    Check it out.

    Rao.
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonoid View Post
    @raohamid ok that is informative i am using GL-5 currently in all diffs and GL-4 in Gearbox...

    and it seems to me that i am using right oils what do you say?

    Lubricants: Oil Finder - Caltex Australia


    Gear Oil LSD 90
    http://www.caltex.com.au/PRODUCTSAND...n.aspx?ID=1649

    Really appreciate your help sir!


    Perfect, personally, I'm a Liqui Moly guy, but to each their own. Just make sure you use the Toyota LSD in the rear diff. And while you're at Toyota, get their diesel injector cleaner. Its very good, and expensive!

    Rao.
    I will miss her, that RKR. She will always be the one that got away.
    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    @raohamid will surely do that sir... and am really grateful to your help... thanks alot

    BDW how much LOKKA will cost??

    and for proper diff lock should i go for ARB air lockers? or LOKKA?

    and to install LOKKA for you contact Mechanic Dara in Mithu Khan his number is 03005045991
    This man is the only trustworthy mechanic i have even known. If you want me to go with you then i will surely go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonoid View Post
    @raohamid will surely do that sir... and am really grateful to your help... thanks alot

    BDW how much LOKKA will cost??

    and for proper diff lock should i go for ARB air lockers? or LOKKA?

    and to install LOKKA for you contact Mechanic Dara in Mithu Khan his number is 03005045991
    This man is the only trustworthy mechanic i have even known. If you want me to go with you then i will surely go...

    Give him my ref. (Huzaifa)
    Thanks for the lead. And no problems sharing info... I think a Lokka on the front diff will cost around 400 USD. The Air Locker by ARB is great, however, they have been known to fail after about one year of good use and you will need to keep the compressor in tip top shape.

    Why do you need a diff lock? Weren't you able to do everything on the last event that everyone else was? Invest in better tires first, lifting the ride the proper way, then worry about diff locks etc sir. Just from experience.

    Thanks.

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    But, life goes on. From RKR to MMC. 4x4 Engaged? Team Unimog, Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    Thanks for the lead. And no problems sharing info... I think a Lokka on the front diff will cost around 400 USD. The Air Locker by ARB is great, however, they have been known to fail after about one year of good use and you will need to keep the compressor in tip top shape.

    Why do you need a diff lock? Weren't you able to do everything on the last event that everyone else was? Invest in better tires first, lifting the ride the proper way, then worry about diff locks etc sir. Just from experience.

    Thanks.

    Rao.
    @raohamid

    LOL my brother @madCYRUS just said so... that we dont need any diff lock till we face any obstacle that we cant cover... I was just curious and i got really good info from you...

    and yeah our first priority is Tires now...

    and sir do tell me about lifting a ride, i dont have any idea about it, how it can be done and what are the side effects? Keeping in mind that it is our daily running jeep
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    Quote Originally Posted by raohamid View Post
    Thanks for the lead. And no problems sharing info... I think a Lokka on the front diff will cost around 400 USD. The Air Locker by ARB is great, however, they have been known to fail after about one year of good use and you will need to keep the compressor in tip top shape.

    Why do you need a diff lock? Weren't you able to do everything on the last event that everyone else was? Invest in better tires first, lifting the ride the proper way, then worry about diff locks etc sir. Just from experience.

    Thanks.

    Rao.
    this is what i advised and would advice get some propper set of tires first and lift it up a bit and remove the side foot steps and maybe steel bumpers and if you really feel the need then go for further mods

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