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    Default The Hi-Lex 'Kaikra' and Pajero Evolution 2JZGTE Builds!

    Toyota Hilux LN65 - 1UZ-FE V8 Transplant:

    Project HiLex Kaikra Build! -1221618

    Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution - 2JZ GTE Twin Turbo Transplant:

    Project HiLex Kaikra Build! -1221617

    Owner: Qasim Saidhi
    Builders: Awan Brothers, Citi Sadar Road, Rawalpindi
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    Current Status: Read on and wish us luck....

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    Bug in Town, drove the Kaikra and loved it
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    Bug in Town, drove the Kaikra and loved it
    Saidhi Bhai, pls tire & rims change karr dein
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    Aap ka hukam sir aankhoon per,,,, MTs/16 inch rims are on my Diesel Nissan which is being used for delivery of food and medicines in the flood effected area of Narang Mandi, Sheikhupura

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    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    SK: Farooq Bhai, lagta hai ham jhak martey rahey hain ab tak....Farooq: Jee Haan, yehEvo kee to game hee kutch aur hai.....
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    Bug in Town, drove the Kaikra and loved it
    LOVED IT>???? Man!!! SK (My Dr. Gyro) if i can do burnout in 1st and continue in 2nd with more burnout, you have done an extraordinary job!!!!! the power, the gear shifting, the steering...... ALF MABROOK ALA TOOL ... i heard Qasim bhai's plan for the Kaikra ... it will be great after adding all the gear he has in his stores
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    If you don't mind me asking, why a 2JZ-GTE in the Evolution? I mean, wasn't the 6G74 MIVEC enough? You could have turbocharged it.

    Wouldn't the 2JZ-GTE mess up the overall balance?
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    both projects are badarse, cant wait to see them completed
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    what monstorous projects..simply put no better cars to do the swap.......i simply love the ssr as it used to be the bad *** ride wen we wer kids some thing the vigo doesent have today.......i too got a 2j in my rx8.........but from what i feel u will be having a slight better weight advantage then me as ur evo seems to be much more light weight then my ride........which shall turn out as a great advantage.

    i dk u guyz well but considering from the ambiance ull be using it for deseart rallying i d just say to count on the true potential of a 2jz u gta use an after mkt turbo....im sure ull be blowing rallies apart

    masha ALLAH congrats

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Awesome,,,, Masha Allah

    Starting seems perfect, idling is solid. May be a few minor adjustments here and there but generally the transplant seems a complete sucess.

    Congratulations Farooq, SK, Akiq and Nashit, great job

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    Quote Originally Posted by murtaza_murti View Post
    If you don't mind me asking, why a 2JZ-GTE in the Evolution? I mean, wasn't the 6G74 MIVEC enough? You could have turbocharged it.

    Wouldn't the 2JZ-GTE mess up the overall balance?
    1. 6G74 Mivec was enough for any normal human but for competing at the top level,,,,, nope. Nadir's turbo charged Tacoma is 350 bhp plus, 280 bhp of a 1997 model Evo could not beat Nadir till he broke down in Cholistan 2013.

    2. Lost Evo's engine due to rally beating, tried to rebuild it but no it blew again during running, so had to change the engine anyway

    3. 6G74 Mivec is a high compression engine, all my gurus agreed that a turbo charged 6G74 Mivec would blow/melt before completing a 200km rally, so that was also not an option. Keep it mind 6G74 Mivec is a very expensive engine, rebuilding it costs 700K so there was no point in taking chances,,, hence 2JZ

    4. 2JZ is slightly heavier than 6G74 Mivec, so it will change the balance to front. Once Evo is free from transplant surgery, we will weigh it and try to balance as much as possible. Adding around 40 kg at the back is no issue. If more is needed than we will see what to do

    Only need well wishes and prayers,,, rest will be managed Insha Allah

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamza_xeg View Post
    both projects are badarse, cant wait to see them completed
    Quote Originally Posted by atharshah View Post
    what monstorous projects..simply put no better cars to do the swap.......i simply love the ssr as it used to be the bad *** ride wen we wer kids some thing the vigo doesent have today.......i too got a 2j in my rx8.........but from what i feel u will be having a slight better weight advantage then me as ur evo seems to be much more light weight then my ride........which shall turn out as a great advantage.

    i dk u guyz well but considering from the ambiance ull be using it for deseart rallying i d just say to count on the true potential of a 2jz u gta use an after mkt turbo....im sure ull be blowing rallies apart

    masha ALLAH congrats
    Target is to prepare Evo for Jhal Magsi Rally, which will be held in December. We are too late for Nooriabad, which is scheduled for 22nd September. Mithi will be held by the first or second week of November. Fingers crossed, but seems we are also late for Mithi.

    Kaikra is a service and recovery vehicle, no hurry for this project. Will finish it whenever possible

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    Some more pressure testing of the Evo yesterday night, and the results are looking good. The weight balance of the car seems to have stayed rather intact from what I can gather despite the transplant. We moved the original gear box (quite a heavy monster) back by about 6-8 inches which seems to have compensated for the heavier engine upfront. Anyhow only time will tell truly, but it seems to be good news on the handling aspects....

    The clutch seems to be working better than any/all other transplants I have seen around here and there seems to be zero adapter plate noise or anything. There is a bit of slip on full drag which is understandable as we are currently using rally worn original clutch plate, to be replaced with a new one after initial testing. The top mount inter-cooler has been a topic of heavy debate and deliberations, and we currently slotted in a Vido 1KD piece to get the car rolling and worry about optimal positioning and size later. The power output is currently a bit subdued owing to fine tuning of various aspects including the MAF sensor, which has been problematic with the modified intake...

    The 2JZ GTE is an interesting driving experience in the Evo. It is very different from the Evo's original engine and particularly from the UZ V8s. The power delivery pattern is unlike the Kaikra or Concordia where you have instant torque as you press the accelerator and consistent torque/power delivery through the rev range. This one, you floor the accelerator and wait for a few, and then hear and feel the turbos come on through the rev range..... and you really do feel them come !! The tricky aspect perhaps is letting go of the accelerator which has a rather different response with blow valves engaging even on a slight release and a delayed power cut / engine brake if you let go abruptly from full throttle.

    Lots of room for fine tuning the engine response and playing with boost levels etc and also lots of learning in a rally context as to how to control/drift the car with the accelerator (A new class at the School of Drift!) ..... So in short lots of work to be done still but touch wood, good progress! And undoubtedly if there ever was a 4x4 which could take on a twin turbo sports car engine without somewhat as a burp it is the Evo! Never felt that the car was out of its depth in terms of handling all the power and it just took everything in a comfortable stride, MA!

    Hats off to Qasim Saidhi for undertaking such a daring project and to the team (Farooq Awan & Co, Nashit Ashraf & Akif Janjua) for the continued hard work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Some more pressure testing of the Evo yesterday night, and the results are looking good. The weight balance of the car seems to have stayed rather intact from what I can gather despite the transplant. We moved the original gear box (quite a heavy monster) back by about 6-8 inches which seems to have compensated for the heavier engine upfront. Anyhow only time will tell truly, but it seems to be good news on the handling aspects....

    The clutch seems to be working better than any/all other transplants I have seen around here and there seems to be zero adapter plate noise or anything. There is a bit of slip on full drag which is understandable as we are currently using rally worn original clutch plate, to be replaced with a new one after initial testing. The top mount inter-cooler has been a topic of heavy debate and deliberations, and we currently slotted in a Vido 1KD piece to get the car rolling and worry about optimal positioning and size later. The power output is currently a bit subdued owing to fine tuning of various aspects including the MAF sensor, which has been problematic with the modified intake...

    The 2JZ GTE is an interesting driving experience in the Evo. It is very different from the Evo's original engine and particularly from the UZ V8s. The power delivery pattern is unlike the Kaikra or Concordia where you have instant torque as you press the accelerator and consistent torque/power delivery through the rev range. This one, you floor the accelerator and wait for a few, and then hear and feel the turbos come on through the rev range..... and you really do feel them come !! The tricky aspect perhaps is letting go of the accelerator which has a rather different response with blow valves engaging even on a slight release and a delayed power cut / engine brake if you let go abruptly from full throttle.

    Lots of room for fine tuning the engine response and playing with boost levels etc and also lots of learning in a rally context as to how to control/drift the car with the accelerator (A new class at the School of Drift!) ..... So in short lots of work to be done still but touch wood, good progress! And undoubtedly if there ever was a 4x4 which could take on a twin turbo sports car engine without somewhat as a burp it is the Evo! Never felt that the car was out of its depth in terms of handling all the power and it just took everything in a comfortable stride, MA!

    Hats off to Qasim Saidhi for undertaking such a daring project and to the team (Farooq Awan & Co, Nashit Ashraf & Akif Janjua) for the continued hard work!
    Great news about Evo's balance and drive. Mashallah

    Check the picture at post # 419, I thought the gear has been moved back by not more than 4 inches. Anyhow, if it drives OK,,, no issue about figures

    Old Clutch, Pressure Plate and Flywheel will be changed, have already decided/chosen the performance parts, just the matter of sending the old set to Thailand and the new set will arrive within a week, Inshallah

    Dont worry about the intercooler, we can manage it in Lahore. Once we decide the size of the intercooler, a fiberglass bonnet with custom scoop will be added. Fiber bonnet will also have ample space at the back for the hot air to leave the engine bay. Should be piece of cake Inshallah

    Dont know much about the electronics/air flow sensor etc., hope Akif and Nashit will manage to tackle the issue

    The engine tune-up is due because at the end of the day its a second hand engine. As long as there is no blow, tune up is no issue.

    I am all set to come over on Sunday, will try to bring Rashid along but his company is not confirm

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    Rashid confirmed that he would not be able to join, I will come with Majeed than

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    Great news about Evo's balance and drive. Mashallah

    Check the picture at post # 419, I thought the gear has been moved back by not more than 4 inches. Anyhow, if it drives OK,,, no issue about figures

    Old Clutch, Pressure Plate and Flywheel will be changed, have already decided/chosen the performance parts, just the matter of sending the old set to Thailand and the new set will arrive within a week, Inshallah

    Dont worry about the intercooler, we can manage it in Lahore. Once we decide the size of the intercooler, a fiberglass bonnet with custom scoop will be added. Fiber bonnet will also have ample space at the back for the hot air to leave the engine bay. Should be piece of cake Inshallah

    Dont know much about the electronics/air flow sensor etc., hope Akif and Nashit will manage to tackle the issue

    The engine tune-up is due because at the end of the day its a second hand engine. As long as there is no blow, tune up is no issue.

    I am all set to come over on Sunday, will try to bring Rashid along but his company is not confirm
    I was under the impression this was a automatic transmission rig... guess I was wrong LOL. What flywheel/pressure plate combo are you guys running right now? I ended up using a completely customized 8 bolt flywheel off a Toyota 13BT diesel machined to accept a 1KD pressure plate.

    Don't succumb to the temptation of using a huge intercooler at stockish boost levels or you will see unnecessary turbo lag.

    As for the MAF sensor, I believe the VVti 2JZGTE uses a part number that is unique to this motor despite being identical in appearance to other Toyota MAFs.

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    I was under the impression this was a automatic transmission rig... guess I was wrong LOL. What flywheel/pressure plate combo are you guys running right now? I ended up using a completely customized 8 bolt flywheel off a Toyota 13BT diesel machined to accept a 1KD pressure plate.

    Don't succumb to the temptation of using a huge intercooler at stockish boost levels or you will see unnecessary turbo lag.

    As for the MAF sensor, I believe the VVti 2JZGTE uses a part number that is unique to this motor despite being identical in appearance to other Toyota MAFs.
    This is one of the 4 Evos with manual transmission in PK, purchased it from Zafar Magsi in early 2010. Zafar Magsi has one more LHD manual Evo that he uses in rallies. The other two manual Evos belonged to Ronnie Patel and M. Ashraf. I purchased Ashraf's manual Evo last year and now its with one of my friends in Lahore. Ronnie sold his manual Evo to Asif Imam and he plans to use it in rallies too. Engine of Ronnie's evo is upgraded to 5.7 Hemi.

    Till now I was using genuine/stock flywheel and the clutch/pressure plate. Evo's genuine Clutch is made by Exeedy and it can take rally beating of the whole season (4 rallies). Now I will have to upgrade to Stage 2 set. Inshallah will have it by the end of September.

    I am quite a novice when it come to technical issues, I am sure Nashit and Akif will be in a better position to inform which MAF they are using.

    Regarding the intercooler, I guess we will drive it first and than decide if we need a bigger intercooler. Issue is that we need to keep the temperature within operating range for a distance of over 200 kms so there is a healthy chance we might go for a little "overkill".

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    I have a couple of suggestions regarding this particular engine ... firstly the top mount needs to go ASAP , reason : it is highly inefficient in dissipating heat properly in rigorous rally conditions and the sharp 90 degree bends on the hot pipe and cold pipe really make the turbos work harder to push that air around, .......your turbos wont last very long plus increasing boost on stock turbos is highly discouraged as these JDM CT12 X 2 have ceramic turbine blades and snap very easily under high boost , what you need is a set of USDM 2JZ-GTE steel turbines should your appetite demand more power , invest in a high quality/grade oil and your 2JZ won't give you problems.

    Plus I have a couple of items up for sale in my home in peshawar if they interest you do let me know.

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    2 X Blitz R115: Oil pressure and Oil temp gauges complete with all wiring & ancillaries sensors

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    Quote Originally Posted by saadzae92 View Post
    I have a couple of suggestions regarding this particular engine ... firstly the top mount needs to go ASAP , reason : it is highly inefficient in dissipating heat properly in rigorous rally conditions and the sharp 90 degree bends on the hot pipe and cold pipe really make the turbos work harder to push that air around, .......your turbos wont last very long plus increasing boost on stock turbos is highly discouraged as these JDM CT12 X 2 have ceramic turbine blades and snap very easily under high boost , what you need is a set of USDM 2JZ-GTE steel turbines should your appetite demand more power , invest in a high quality/grade oil and your 2JZ won't give you problems.

    Plus I have a couple of items up for sale in my home in peshawar if they interest you do let me know.

    1. Genuine ARC Japan BOV (near brand new) (retails for about $300 new but im selling it for peanuts

    2 X Blitz R115: Oil pressure and Oil temp gauges complete with all wiring & ancillaries sensors

    Pictures (these are from the internet for reference) The HiLex Kaikra and Pajero Evolution 2JZGTE Builds! -1257525The HiLex Kaikra and Pajero Evolution 2JZGTE Builds! -1257526
    Off road rally track is always quite unpredictable, stones, bumps, jumps, branches etc. can damage radiator easily and it happens regularly. We wanted to avoid a front mounted intercooler firstly because of its safety during rally and secondly because it would be creating a drag for the radiator. Top mount intercooler with a proper scoop is safer and would not hinder the fresh air for the radiator.

    At this moment I do not know if and how many bends the intercooler has but would keep your suggestion in mind and remove as many as possible, at least 90 degree bends can be taken care of.

    Evo is to be used for off road rallies and since there is hardly any traction on loose gravel, dirt or sand, especially at triple digit speeds, insanely adding bhps is of no use because it will only add the useless wheel spin, resulting in even poorer handling.

    I have been told that a Stock JDM 2JZ GTE, running on stock 1.1 bar, produces between 300 and 320 bhps. This is reasonably higher than my Evo's 6G74 Mivec motor, which used to produce 280 bhps in 1997. For the testing and initial one or two rallies, this is more than enough. If required, we will change to stock 2JZ turbos with steel turbines, which will also add around 15 bhps. Addition of performance intake, exhaust headers etc will add another 10 to 15 bhps.

    I do not think i will be needing more than 350 bhps for off road rallies in Pakistan, so there will be no need to play with the internals of 2JZ.

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    Off road rally track is always quite unpredictable, stones, bumps, jumps, branches etc. can damage radiator easily and it happens regularly. We wanted to avoid a front mounted intercooler firstly because of its safety during rally and secondly because it would be creating a drag for the radiator. Top mount intercooler with a proper scoop is safer and would not hinder the fresh air for the radiator.

    At this moment I do not know if and how many bends the intercooler has but would keep your suggestion in mind and remove as many as possible, at least 90 degree bends can be taken care of.

    Evo is to be used for off road rallies and since there is hardly any traction on loose gravel, dirt or sand, especially at triple digit speeds, insanely adding bhps is of no use because it will only add the useless wheel spin, resulting in even poorer handling.

    I have been told that a Stock JDM 2JZ GTE, running on stock 1.1 bar, produces between 300 and 320 bhps. This is reasonably higher than my Evo's 6G74 Mivec motor, which used to produce 280 bhps in 1997. For the testing and initial one or two rallies, this is more than enough. If required, we will change to stock 2JZ turbos with steel turbines, which will also add around 15 bhps. Addition of performance intake, exhaust headers etc will add another 10 to 15 bhps.

    I do not think i will be needing more than 350 bhps for off road rallies in Pakistan, so there will be no need to play with the internals of 2JZ.

    The Subaru Impreza WRX STi rally car is probably run harder than any rally jeep , being of lower ground clearance must take alot of grave and stones but still the Top Mount intercooler is ditched in favor of a front mount setup , If a factory team has researched the advantages and effectiveness of a front mount setup then there is a strong case for this setup , Top mount is $hIt , its easy and cheap to produce thats why it gets used in OEM application there is no way you can compare the amount of cooling air going through a small scoop and full direct frontal cool air contact of a Front mount , rest is your choice!The HiLex Kaikra and Pajero Evolution 2JZGTE Builds! -1257705
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