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    Default 3 c turbo intercooled engine drive

    Recently i drove a friends pajero ,first generation (1986 - 1990) with a 3 C Turbo,i could nt explain here the exact experience but the engine was really spinning the wheels ,and it had a very comfy ride ...while my pajero with 4d56 non turbo did nt have that much pick and thrush...

    when i use to give it a pedal even in the second gear ;it use to leap and when the turbo starts spooling the ride became wehshi and it was more than a petrol pick...the thrush was awesome and the ride had an amazing drive...

    i would recommend everyone to at least think for 3C TURBO ,it has great results...

    For more assistance i m here and can facilitate you in this regard.

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    it is really a good engine with very good result

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    So Adnan Finally you tasted the reall taste OF A 3CTi ....

    I bet it can give a tough time to a 4M40 too......
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    would 3ct perform well on the 1st Gen LWB?
    Was trying to decide on rebuilding a 4D56TDi or getting something new instead, any suggestions? Would be nice to understand the performance, pros cons and cost involved in swap or rebuild.

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    Dear 3 ct will InShaAllah perform in LWB also as it has great power and pick...u can use the same inter cooler which is previously fitted in ur Pajero...if u rebuild the 4d56 it would nt even give u that performance which 3ct i can give ...moreover 3cti has a good fuel average also...and it has lesser weight also...the friend whose pajero i drove ws saying that he is getting around 13 on long route and more or equal to 10 km per liter in city...another factor of Mitsubishi s engine is it gets overheat easily...
    u can easily get a 3ct and install it in your first gen LWB...IT CAN BE MATTED WITH YOUR CURRENT GEARBOX without an adopter plate ...it even does nt neeed any cut or weld...


    Quote Originally Posted by waqasch1 View Post
    would 3ct perform well on the 1st Gen LWB?
    Was trying to decide on rebuilding a 4D56TDi or getting something new instead, any suggestions? Would be nice to understand the performance, pros cons and cost involved in swap or rebuild.
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    surely it will give tough time


    Quote Originally Posted by joinami View Post
    So Adnan Finally you tasted the reall taste OF A 3CTi ....

    I bet it can give a tough time to a 4M40 too......
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    Quote Originally Posted by lateralus View Post
    Dear 3 ct will InShaAllah perform in LWB also as it has great power and pick...u can use the same inter cooler which is previously fitted in ur Pajero...if u rebuild the 4d56 it would nt even give u that performance which 3ct i can give ...moreover 3cti has a good fuel average also...and it has lesser weight also...the friend whose pajero i drove ws saying that he is getting around 13 on long route and more or equal to 10 km per liter in city...another factor of Mitsubishi s engine is it gets overheat easily...
    u can easily get a 3ct and install it in your first gen LWB...IT CAN BE MATTED WITH YOUR CURRENT GEARBOX without an adopter plate ...it even does nt neeed any cut or weld...
    Great! so you have been driving Imran Bhai's famous 1st Gen SWB, thier threads are a must read for any Pajero owner.
    now that makes things a bit more complicated for me as i'm a bit hesitant when it comes to swap stuff. any idea of the cost of rebuild vs swap? any good place recommended for the 4D56 rebuild and/or swap in Lhr/Isb?

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    a person ws telling me that his friend has redone his 4d56 n it costed him around 70 thousand ....while u can get a reasonable 3ct for around 90 thousand ...swap can be done here in lahore many places ...like i have 2 or 3 good mechanics who can do it

    Quote Originally Posted by waqasch1 View Post
    Great! so you have been driving Imran Bhai's famous 1st Gen SWB, thier threads are a must read for any Pajero owner.
    now that makes things a bit more complicated for me as i'm a bit hesitant when it comes to swap stuff. any idea of the cost of rebuild vs swap? any good place recommended for the 4D56 rebuild and/or swap in Lhr/Isb?
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    Thanks Adnan! not a swap fan but you have inclined me towards a 3ct. Will get in touch as soon as I finalize the plan.

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    Sir I would like to share some stats here

    4D56TDI

    • Power - 78 kW (104 hp) at 4,300 rpm
    • Torque - 240 N?m (177 lb?ft) at 2,000 rpm
    • Engine type - Inline 4-cylinder SOHC
    • Rocker arm - Roller Follower type[12]
    • Fuel system - Distribution type jet pump (indirect injection)
    • Combustion chamber - Swirl type
    • Bore x Stroke - 91.1 x 95mm
    • Compression ratio - 21:1
    • Lubrication System - Pressure feed, full flow filtration
    • Intercooler Type - Aluminium Air-to-Air, Top-mounted
    • Turbocharger - Mitsubishi TD04-09B


    3ct Out of a Noah

    Engine model 3C-T Displacement, cc 2184
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 91 ps (66.93 kw / 89.68 Hp) / 4000 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 19.8 kg*m (194.17 N*m) / 2200 rpm
    Engine type Serial 4 cylinder OHC Turbo
    Fuel system Bosch type distributor type diesel pump
    Compression ratio 22.5, Bore 86mm, Stroke 94mm

    As we are talking about 4x4's so I would recommend an engine with high torque (especially you have LWB). But it all depends on your use. If you want to use your ride primarily on highways then Ill recommend you to go for 3ct. Else if you want to use your 4x4 as a 4x4 :p then go for more torque.
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    Btw I have also driven imran bhai's pajero its indeed very quick on road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waqasch1 View Post
    Great! so you have been driving Imran Bhai's famous 1st Gen SWB, thier threads are a must read for any Pajero owner.
    now that makes things a bit more complicated for me as i'm a bit hesitant when it comes to swap stuff. any idea of the cost of rebuild vs swap? any good place recommended for the 4D56 rebuild and/or swap in Lhr/Isb?
    Mind my words dear never rebuild a 4D56 specially when you unable to get hold of over sized pistons. and the cost of a proper rebuild is around 70-80K
    close ur eyes and go for a 3CTI ...you will love it .. as Toyota motor have no match.

    Quote Originally Posted by azkhan View Post
    Sir I would like to share some stats here

    4D56TDI


    • Power - 78 kW (104 hp) at 4,300 rpm
    • Torque - 240 N?m (177 lb?ft) at 2,000 rpm
    • Engine type - Inline 4-cylinder SOHC
    • Rocker arm - Roller Follower type[12]
    • Fuel system - Distribution type jet pump (indirect injection)
    • Combustion chamber - Swirl type
    • Bore x Stroke - 91.1 x 95mm
    • Compression ratio - 21:1
    • Lubrication System - Pressure feed, full flow filtration
    • Intercooler Type - Aluminium Air-to-Air, Top-mounted
    • Turbocharger - Mitsubishi TD04-09B


    3ct Out of a Noah

    Engine model 3C-T Displacement, cc 2184
    Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 91 ps (66.93 kw / 89.68 Hp) / 4000 rpm
    Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 19.8 kg*m (194.17 N*m) / 2200 rpm
    Engine type Serial 4 cylinder OHC Turbo
    Fuel system Bosch type distributor type diesel pump
    Compression ratio 22.5, Bore 86mm, Stroke 94mm

    As we are talking about 4x4's so I would recommend an engine with high torque (especially you have LWB). But it all depends on your use. If you want to use your ride primarily on highways then Ill recommend you to go for 3ct. Else if you want to use your 4x4 as a 4x4 :p then go for more torque.
    Now dear Ali ..yes you have given right info but you comparing inter cooled version of 4D56 with non inter cooled version of 3CT....
    Noah also came with the inter cooler so ....its really a wise decision to put a light weight motor with having good fuel efficiency and power as well.

    I am not into a toyota Mitsu war but a little humble comparison with out inter cooler:-


    Toyota 2C-T 2.0 Turbo Diesel 65kW@4000rpm 176Nm@2200rpm
    Toyota 3C-T 2.2 Turbo Diesel 74kW@4200rpm 216Nm@2600rpm
    Toyota 3C-TE 2.2 Turbo Diesel 94kW@4000rpm 206Nm@2200rpm
    Toyota 2L 2.4 Diesel 61kW@4200rpm 162Nm@2400rpm
    Toyota 2L-T 2.4 Turbo Diesel 72kW@3800rpm 240Nm@2400rpm
    Mitsubishi 4D56 Turbo 67KW@4200rpm 197Nm@2000rpm


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    its not just quick it s a pocket rocket ...and has a great performance

    Quote Originally Posted by azkhan View Post
    Btw I have also driven imran bhai's pajero its indeed very quick on road.
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    @joinami

    Imran bhai as far as I know there is no or very few intercooled version of 3ct available in Pakistan market and just adding an intercooler doesn't mean that you are getting the same power figures as a factory intercooled version. The latter one would have its waste gate calibrated for higher pressure and probably some other things too. So if you want to increase power after adding an aftermarket intercooler you have to modify a couple of things. You cant say that 4d56ti is same as 4d56t and 3cti is same as 3ct and intercooler is only difference.

    Moreover a 3ct would have its turbo spooled all the time during its application in LWB (since its a heavier than SWB) and it might cause it too overheat (and 3ct does have a tendency to overheat). The more low end torque the more good for heavier applications.

    Im writing this in light of my 5 years experience of keeping a 3ct in a 4x4 and a bit of experience with 4d56ti.

    Just my two cents.
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    I've never driven a 3C but it sure does sound like fun. I love my 4M40 though, it's a torque monster and super smooth, especially in a 3 door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harishusain07 View Post
    I've never driven a 3C but it sure does sound like fun. I love my 4M40 though, it's a torque monster and super smooth, especially in a 3 door.
    yes 4M40 is a good engine for a 3 Door no doubt. but it can only fit in a 2nd generation pajero like yours...
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