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    Question Suzuki Jimny/ Pothohar Diesel Conversion

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    In some month's time, I am planning to purchase a 2nd generation Jimny/Pothohar chassis and put a diesel engine in it. I've been surfing through the web to look up for a suitable engine and got my eyes stuck on a 3C-TE 2.2L for it's power and fuel efficiency. If I am to put that engine in with the transmission included, what else would I be needing except to have the engine bay modified and new fuel tank installed?

    Would the stock drive-train be strong enough to hold and let me utilize that much torque?

    If I am going to need a new drive-train, which vehicle's components should I be looking at?

    What about suspension and steering if I am to taste an amateur-level off-road adventure?

    Anything else that you guys can come up with apart from what I have mentioned, please share you thoughts, opinions, suggestions and expertise.

    Thank you!

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    Better to change a compatible toyota differential as well
    Keep a cool head and wear seatbelts!

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    get more power full suzuki engine g13 or g15
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    Quote Originally Posted by spectra View Post
    Better to change a compatible toyota differential as well
    Yes, I am thinking about Hilux transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekdrifter View Post
    get more power full suzuki engine g13 or g15
    I think 3C-T is more powerful with 69Kw and also economical than G13BB MPFI generating 56?63 kW. Don't know about G15. I am looking for a bit of fuel economy as well as some torque, that's why considering diesel.

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    3C-T cannot be found easily. You have to search for it. If economy and torque are considerations then simple 2C can also do the job. I have seen many potohars with 2C, but they have no 4x4.

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    Yes diesel conversion is done with compromise of 4x4. Suzuki G16B came in samurai and it is a good option.
    Keep a cool head and wear seatbelts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectra View Post
    Yes diesel conversion is done with compromise of 4x4. Suzuki G16B came in samurai and it is a good option.
    Yikes! That's a blow for me... I'll do some market research on G16B too... By the way, if I get to find a 3C-T or even consider a 2C/ 2C-T -- both can be easily mated with the Hilux transmission -- is it possible to put in complete Hilux drive-train (differentials, shafts and axles)?

    Would also appreciate some advice on suspension and steering.

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    Go for a 3CT ...it will make ur SJ a ...flying machine...
    i am saying this after having lot and lot of experience using 3CT ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by joinami View Post
    Go for a 3CT ...it will make ur SJ a ...flying machine...
    i am saying this after having lot and lot of experience using 3CT ..
    Nice! Which vehicle did you have it in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joinami View Post
    Go for a 3CT ...it will make ur SJ a ...flying machine...
    i am saying this after having lot and lot of experience using 3CT ..
    U have used 3CT is which veh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jawadwaseem View Post
    Nice! Which vehicle did you have it in?
    Quote Originally Posted by noman8ff View Post
    U have used 3CT is which veh?
    I have installed 3CT in my Pajero...
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    OK let me try to explain. The length of a pajero and a short wheel base suzuki is different. The 3 c series engines with original speed gear/ 4X4 transmission becomes very long in terms of their size and doesn't fit in easily in a suzuki. They can be adjusted with the original 2c or 3c non 4X4 gears which is smaller in length and can accommodate the rear shaft.

    The problem with a 2c/ 3c with the gear of hilux is that in the case of a short wheel suzuki, the rear shaft has to be very small in length (as the surf hilux gear is too long) which results in vibration. And in offroading activity, where there is too much of flex in the rear wheels and too much up and down movement of the rear shaft, all the mechanical system gets problems.

    It can be very nicely adjusted in a long wheel base suzuki but not in a smaller suzuki.
    No doubt, 2c or 3CT are awesome engines with excellent torque but they become problematic in smaller suzuki's. Moreover their weight becomes three times the original engine gear of petrol and at times because of more weight with more power, the vehicle tends to dig inn the mud and sand. And lastly a kabli 3CT is not less than 1,50 plus 70,000 for the transmission.

    The 1300cc original petrol engines are much more powerfull than the weight of the suzuki and kabli engine is around 1 lac plur 30,000 for the gear.

    So i would recommend 1300 cc for a suzuki.

    Remember, "YOUR VEHICLE IS AS STRONG AS IT'S WEAKEST LINK".

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    Quote Originally Posted by noman8ff View Post
    OK let me try to explain. The length of a pajero and a short wheel base suzuki is different. The 3 c series engines with original speed gear/ 4X4 transmission becomes very long in terms of their size and doesn't fit in easily in a suzuki. They can be adjusted with the original 2c or 3c non 4X4 gears which is smaller in length and can accommodate the rear shaft.

    The problem with a 2c/ 3c with the gear of hilux is that in the case of a short wheel suzuki, the rear shaft has to be very small in length (as the surf hilux gear is too long) which results in vibration. And in offroading activity, where there is too much of flex in the rear wheels and too much up and down movement of the rear shaft, all the mechanical system gets problems.

    It can be very nicely adjusted in a long wheel base suzuki but not in a smaller suzuki.
    No doubt, 2c or 3CT are awesome engines with excellent torque but they become problematic in smaller suzuki's. Moreover their weight becomes three times the original engine gear of petrol and at times because of more weight with more power, the vehicle tends to dig inn the mud and sand. And lastly a kabli 3CT is not less than 1,50 plus 70,000 for the transmission.

    The 1300cc original petrol engines are much more powerfull than the weight of the suzuki and kabli engine is around 1 lac plur 30,000 for the gear.

    So i would recommend 1300 cc for a suzuki.

    Remember, "YOUR VEHICLE IS AS STRONG AS IT'S WEAKEST LINK".

    Regards
    I totally agree with what you have said but on international forums hilux gear is a hit with hilux diffs and engines such as 3y,3s,3c and even a 2jz-gte(but its chassis was extended).
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    Quote Originally Posted by joinami View Post
    I have installed 3CT in my Pajero...
    check this out for more details:-
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-pocket-rocket
    That was a real cool and clean swap. Awesome work, jiger!

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    @ noman8ff
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    That was some real good advice. Thanks for your valuable input.

    The thing is, Diesel engines have been great for me and I really want to keep counting on them. I will definitely go for that 1300cc if I am not able to find a suitable diesel option. Can you guys come up with any suggestions as to what lightweight diesels options would be good for this vehicle without compromising 4X4? How about putting in a smaller diesel engine with a bigger turbo?

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    There are 2 main problems.... rear shaft modification and vibration, something abt engine gear being horizontal or vertical.
    So due to that season 2c etc cannot be mated using plate to suzuki transmission.

    If some engine other then suzuki is mated to original gear and diff.
    Then eventually transfer case and diff will give up.
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    Now two issues are imp here. Firstly, i agree, the hilux gear and diffs result excellently, but the problem is that suzuki rear tube has it's diff on the side, where as the ssr or surf rear diff is in the centre. And in a suzuki, if u put surf or ssrx tube, you'll have to adjust all leaf spring mounts, followed by too mant other modifications which are never advisable, unless u go for ONLY hardcore offroading and in VERY LOW SPEED only.

    Secondly, a 1N diesel which is again very powerfull for a light weight suzuki can be matched with the original gear of 1300cc petrol suzuki and there'll be no rear shaft alignment issues and will be no stress on the cross of the rear shaft.

    So either go for a 1N with 1300 petrol gear

    or

    keep original 1300cc with 1300cc gear and 4X4

    or

    extend the body and than go for a 2c/ 3ct with the hilux gear

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    Not much torque in 1N or 1N-T and I have a strong suspicion that installing a bigger turbo with these engines will blow them up.

    Toyota N engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How well do the Nissan engines perform? Has anyone had any experience with the YD22DDT? This too is a 2.2 L turbodiesel and comes with the X-Trail.

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    Put A decent 2CT or 3CT with toyota CT 12 turbo and make ur life simple.
    and 4x4 can be attached with the same engine if done with some mind.
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