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    Thumbs up Team IJC at Cholistan Rally 2014

    Alhamdolillah, team IJC is back after participation in the 9th Cholistan Jeep Rally held on 14-16th Feb.

    Six IJCians particpated in this Rally

    1, Asad Marwat + Ali Zafar on Pajero V6 3000
    2, NN + Hasan Rana on NPP 4.5
    3, Suhaib Kiani + Farooq on FJ40 UZi 4.0
    4, Shabab Haider + Hassan Asad on Tundra 5.7
    5, Zuhaib Jadoon + Imtiaz Siddiqi on Nissan Safari Cruiser 4.5
    6, Samad + Faraz on TLC 60 2JZ-GTE 3.0

    Details to follow

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    Lets get to the beginning………………………how the IJC rally team came into being. It was February 2010, and on an usual Saturday morning, I received a phone call from Desert Devil, …………Doc I am going for a sand run near Lawrencepur, do you wanna join, and I replied, I can’t, I have my clinic. He said cancel it, this will be super fun! Half-heartedly, I checked my appointments schedule and there was only one booking…………….which was duly cancelled! I called Redbull-AR and woke him up from sleep to come along join for some photography. Long storey short, we went there and did some very interesting sand runs, and it was then that Asad put forward this proposal of participating in upcoming Cholistan Jeep Rally. My instant response was sure, why not! There was lots of too and frooing and eventually it was decided two vehicles would participate, me and Kashif in TLC100 and Asad n Pinky in Jero 4d56. Burhan came along for support! Hectic preparation was carried out, before 2010, roll cages were not mandatory for hard top vehicles, but for 2010 they were! Ehsan Kiani built us an external roll cage as per requirement and we set off for the rally. That was one of the most memorable weekend with minimal sleep, lots and lots of adrenaline and camaraderie! Asad’s Jero tested our patience n stamina to the limit! Qasim Saidhi very kindly guided us in our very first rally. We both completed the rally and that was the start of Zabardast rally partnership, which continues to this day! <o:p></o:p>

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    IJC rally team has come a really long way since Cholistan 2010. For one reason or another, I was not able to participate in Cholistan rally again after 2010, until this year. But this year was extra special, this time we had six vehicles participating. And most of IJC clan came along for support of the rally team. We had our very own distinct rally camp and it was an amazing experience for all the gang! <o:p></o:p>
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    Some of our rally vehicles were transported on trailer from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Islamabad</st1:place></st1:City>, while others drove theirs all the way to Cholistan. Asad is now working abroad, and came to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Islamabad</st1:place></st1:City> a day before just to participate in the rally! We drove all in a convoy from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Islamabad</st1:place></st1:City>. The journey began at 6am thursday, progress was steady, and we were having a scrumptious late lunch at Taj Hotel on GT road near <st1:place w:st="on">Bahawalpur</st1:place> at 4pm. However progress after that was rather slow, I was pulling our loaded luggage trolley behind NPP. On the way we lost our direction, courtesy the extra clever GPS, which wanted to take us to our destination thru some rather small / narrow streets, eventually which ended up in dead-end. Anyway, when we got to Ahmed Pur sharquia, the trolley leafsprings gave up, which needed to be sorted before we could proceed to the desert. After some struggle we found the right man, but it was almost 10pm by then. The man was alone and he went by the work at his own pace and it was over 4 hours before our trolley was sorted. Than the long dirt track / poor road to the desert. Eventually just after 3am I reached the camping destination. While we were getting the leafsprings sorted, most of the gang had proceeded to the desert and started the camping process. Zeb was our kitchen manager as usual, and he lighted up the fire and started the barbeque on coals, which in the freezing temps of desert was very welcome. Than came the hot tea after which I eventually retired in my camp at almost 5am.<o:p></o:p>
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    Next morning I was up around 9ish. After just a cup of tea and unpacking rest of our stuff, Hasan Rana (my navigator) n I proceeded to the registration desk in main village. The registration and vehicle tech took some time. At 12 noon, we eventually decided that we should directly proceed for track recce. Some of the other IJC drivers had already been on recce, while remaining started after us. Halfway into first stage, we found Baber Khan’s recce vehicle (Irshad’s TLC40) broken down on the side just past CP5. So we waited there with him, trying to workout what’s wrong. Eventually Asad and Ali arrived on their recce run and Ali spent the next hour+ fixing the fuel line. Eventually after a delay of nearly three hours we proceeded on our recce. Unfortunately, soon the darkness set in and last third of recce was done in lights. Which is a different experience!<o:p></o:p>
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    After reaching back the rally camp we had an early dinner at 7:30. Boy it was one tasty dinner, or could be the fact that we hadn’t had breakfast or lunch! All day we had few oranges and a biscuit packet and nestle water! Then we proceeded straight to the rally drivers meeting. Where after various discussions, the draw was taken out for the qualifying round firing order. This time round the qualifying order draw was according to various classes. The A class was first to do their runs and low n behold my name was called out for first. In the last 4 years I have started the qualifications round twice before, and was 2nd starter and 3rd starter once each. But then everyone realized that Nadir’s Magsi’s name slip was missing in the draw, and although he said he was fine to go in the end, the draw was re-done and I was 8th man out. While Zohaib was 6th, Suhaib Kiani 7th and Shabab 12th man out. Asad and Samad were in B category, so they went out later!<o:p></o:p>
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    Overall, as Suhaib mentioned, in qualifying, it was a great day out for IJCians, Shabab 2nd overall, Samad 9th overall, Zuhaib 14th overall and myself 18th overall…………………indeed an achievement to be proud of! With such good qualification’s there was obviously pressure as well. Strategies were discussed. I had decided on recce day to remove one of the two spare tyres on the back, because I had removed one leafspring too many from rear setup and the vehicle was bottoming out easily on jumps! Also after discussion with Suhaib and Rana Sumair Noon, we reduced tyre pressures down to 19psi front and 18psi rear in the evening. Early next morning the gauge showed these pressures to be 17psi front and 16psi rear, but I just left them as is!<o:p></o:p>
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    The night sleep before the race was not as peaceful, and I got up from the noise of our support team at 5:15 am when they were leaving with fuel for our mid point break! Eventually I got out of my tent, and turned out Imtiaz was also outside unable to sleep. Probable nerves all round! We chatted for a bit, waiting for first light. Time passed slowly in freezing cold weather!<o:p></o:p>
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    Eventually at 7am things started up. Shabab, Zuhaib and Samad left for starting line around 7:20ish, while I left at 7:40 for the expected 8am start. As it is the start was delayed by 30 minutes. Slowly we waited for our turn. As I mentioned before, despite a checklist, we ended up not engaging the 4x4 at start line, and during the first 30+ minutes, I was blaming the lower tyre pressures for it. Anyway, despite everything we gave it our best shot, no point in what ifs afterwards! By the grace of Almighty we ran well overall and finished safely. Podium is always very nice but 12th overall out of 88 competitors is not a bad showing! During the race we managed successfully three overtaking manoeuvres over competing vehicles. Looking back, it’s my 8th participation in national rallies, and I have successfully completed all and without any mishaps! Eternally grateful to Almighty for all his blessings!<o:p></o:p>
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    After return back to the camp, found out about various incidents with remaining IJCians. Everyone mashaallah was in excellent spirits, despite what ever. Mine n Asad’s timing were reasonably competitive, so we stayed back in Cholistan until official result was announced at 8pm. As luck would have it, we were both 5th in our respective categories. While we were waiting for the results, the rest of the gang had already pushed off towards <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Islamabad</st1:place></st1:City>. Eventually we left Cholistan around 9pm, driving NPP all the way back. Progress till <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Multan</st1:place></st1:City> was reasonably brisk. But than we hit the fog, and after that it was a struggle all the way till <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Faisalabad</st1:place></st1:City> until sun came out. At times we were moving at barely 20-30kmph. It was hard work, considering the whole rally and lack of sleep n all. By the grace of almighty we eventually made it back home safely by noon the next day! Some of the lads slept upto 15hours on the trot on return!<o:p></o:p>
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    The whole trip was truly memorable, the camaraderie, the leg pulling, the pranks and all were just ongoing and will be remembered for a long time. All those who could not make were missed! Long live IJC! <o:p></o:p>
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    There you go, its getting quite interesting now:

    OK Nissan bhai chaara apni jaga, but we shall claim our one minute of fame: 1:50 - 2:50 UZi as fast if not faster across the bumpy dhaar!
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    SK uzi amreecan nuskhay pe bani hui hai.... V8 and go fast in a straight line
    More Power!!! More power....

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaserag View Post
    SK uzi amreecan nuskhay pe bani hui hai.... V8 and go fast in a straight line
    Actually it took us a good time getting around to understanding it, but nothing much American about the UZi. Everyone gets too caught up on the V8, thanks to the outrageous intimidation factor, but the reality is that whole package works (at least on the Cholistan sand). The UZi is (or rather was) a true Cholistani breed of a race horse in the tradition of the local jimnys!

    Ahsan Ejaz is a top notch cholistan driver and NN is no stranger to the sand. Both Nissans have more suspension on one wheel than UZI's four, have LWB advantage, are all guns blazing into CP8 and have more aggressive stops at the CP. All to buy 10 secs off the UZi in 3 minutes of the video overall with the last minute hanging in balance! Nevertheless, winning is winning, right Losers will whine about had I deployed third and had I had this or that. I am all OK with all that

    Anyhow, in the end, what matters most to me perhaps is the salutes coming from Jimny riders as they passed us on the way to the finish. I did not recognize anyone but two or three of them waved us their thumbs ups which I consider as the biggest and perhaps the only real bragging right I will take away: To have earned the respect of the Jimny drivers!
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    Jimny drivers are the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    ..........................................Ahsan Ejaz is a top notch cholistan driver and NN is no stranger to the sand. Both Nissans have more suspension on one wheel than UZI's four, have LWB advantage, are all guns blazing into CP8 and have more aggressive stops at the CP. All to buy 10 secs off the UZi in 3 minutes of the video overall with the last minute hanging in balance! Nevertheless, winning is winning, right Losers will whine about had I deployed third and had I had this or that. I am all OK with all that ...............................................
    @ SK, your long explanation all good........................BUT, your UZi, is no ordinary FJ40, it has been one of the most meticulously prepared FJ40 with your very detailed researched input. The engine itself is a monster in its own right compared to NPP. And both Nissans overall performed merely average. So comparing these 3 minute run is not of much value.

    At the end of the day, these are all choices which all of us have made (me and you included), i.e which vehicle, which category and what speed we choose to drive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    @ ........At the end of the day, these are all choices which all of us have made (me and you included), i.e which vehicle, which category and what speed we choose to drive!
    Hear hear! couldnt have said it better. Every rally has been a huge learning experience, one starts understanding ones own strengths and limitations as well as ones vehicles... the only thing is, i want to believe that this thing can be cracked on a budget...sure you can easily score a podium in 5 million whats the big deal about that... try and do it in 1.5million .....more power to the underdogs... more power to the likes of the UZI, the NPP,the JJ and the Barbarossa...
    More Power!!! More power....

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    And here comes the Jimny driver. Qasim (& Buttar!) from Cholistan 2012:

    "If YOU don't believe in what you're doing it'll never work."

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    A lovely capture by Fareed Gujjar (on flickr)

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    @qasim bhai apnay start hee jump say leya tha, to flip nay to aapp kie kundli mei anaa thaa
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    Quote Originally Posted by nn View Post
    A lovely capture by Fareed Gujjar (on flickr)

    Team IJC at Cholistan Rally 2014 -1379004
    Nissan jump jet! dont need a runway to take off!!!
    More Power!!! More power....

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    Uzi kicks A$S!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    And here comes the Jimny driver. Qasim (& Buttar!) from Cholistan 2012:

    Is it possible that the videos start from the same point and the one who reaches CP8 goes still

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Is it possible that the videos start from the same point and the one who reaches CP8 goes still
    Its a bit like asking Quintin Tarantino to re-release Pulp Fiction without jumping between before and after sections, if you know what I mean The Director should at least get to pick the hero of the movie right But here here, being the geeky racer I have compiled the time sheet with three reference points and I may have made a mistake somewhere, but +/- 0.5 secs this seems OK to me. all figures are in seconds, with the Video Markers marked as seconds from start of video. Obviously there are many other factors at play here and this remains just a friendly shootout!
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    Suhaib, you have the video of 2012 and Yasir you probably have the video of 2013, even if you dont, i have both and you can confirm when we meet.

    Guess this is going to be the start of some very interesting discussion

    As per my video of 2012, we left the Midpoint at 00:31, entered the plain before CP at 8:42 and by 9:31 were stationary at CP8, so took exactly 9 minutes to reach the CP8. I was slow here because firstly I had MTs, secondly, Evo was neither tuned nor I was willing to push, mainly because we had lost almost 28 minutes in Stage 1 and there was no chance of podium. Not to forget, we had managed to bend the chassis in Stage 1 so the handling was not precise as well.

    In 2013, I was pushing as much as i can, had ATs and Evo was tuned, yet, we took 9: 06 to reach CP8. How was that for anticlimax

    Timing of 2013

    Left the Midpoint at 01:19, entered the plain before CP at 9:32 and were stationary at CP8 at 10:25, so took exactly 9;06 minutes to reach the CP8.

    If you remember, it rained for a couple of days before the race of 2013. The plain area before CP8 was somewhat muddy so losing 4 seconds in that portion is explainable. Plus, in 2013, we met girls (read cattle) in the twisty portion before the plain of CP8, where we lost about 10 seconds.

    Still it perplexing that even if there would have been no mud and no girls, despite pushing and taking a lot more risks, the gain in 2013 would not have been more than 10 seconds, that too without MTs, bent chassis and bad/no tuning

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuhaibKiani View Post
    Its a bit like asking Quintin Tarantino to re-release Pulp Fiction without jumping between before and after sections, if you know what I mean The Director should at least get to pick the hero of the movie right But here here, being the geeky racer I have compiled the time sheet with three reference points and I may have made a mistake somewhere, but +/- 0.5 secs this seems OK to me. all figures are in seconds, with the Video Markers marked as seconds from start of video. Obviously there are many other factors at play here and this remains just a friendly shootout!
    Zabardast analysis

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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Suhaib, you have the video of 2012 and Yasir you probably have the video of 2013, even if you dont, i have both and you can confirm when we meet.

    Guess this is going to be the start of some very interesting discussion

    As per my video of 2012, we left the Midpoint at 00:31, entered the plain before CP at 8:42 and by 9:31 were stationary at CP8, so took exactly 9 minutes to reach the CP8. I was slow here because firstly I had MTs, secondly, Evo was neither tuned nor I was willing to push, mainly because we had lost almost 28 minutes in Stage 1 and there was no chance of podium. Not to forget, we had managed to bend the chassis in Stage 1 so the handling was not precise as well.

    In 2013, I was pushing as much as i can, had ATs and Evo was tuned, yet, we took 9: 06 to reach CP8. How was that for anticlimax

    Timing of 2013

    Left the Midpoint at 01:19, entered the plain before CP at 9:32 and were stationary at CP8 at 10:25, so took exactly 9;06 minutes to reach the CP8.

    If you remember, it rained for a couple of days before the race of 2013. The plain area before CP8 was somewhat muddy so losing 4 seconds in that portion is explainable. Plus, in 2013, we met girls (read cattle) in the twisty portion before the plain of CP8, where we lost about 10 seconds.

    Still it perplexing that even if there would have been no mud and no girls, despite pushing and taking a lot more risks, the gain in 2013 would not have been more than 10 seconds, that too without MTs, bent chassis and bad/no tuning
    Two lessons

    If you want to finish, just pace yourself, it will hardly make a difference

    If you want to beat Nadir, just imagine how much more risks you need to take

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    Interesting analysis and thoughts!
    The sport only measures time. & that's what needs to be scrutinized for each segment of the rally. The time difference in the qualifying runs (2KM only) suggests that technology plays a major factor but it has to be compounded by human expertise. Dissecting the footage will give clues to what could be done better by the machine or the man behind the wheel.

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    The 2012, 2013 and 2014 tracks have all been different in behavior, primarily due to timing of rains and track reaction to passing cars.
    - 2012 was by far the most resilient track and rather constant / consistent despite traffic.
    - 2013 it was raining for 2 days prior to rally and it was a different and perhaps unique proposition. My conclusion now is that it was both faster and slower compared to 2013 in different ways.
    - 2014 it rained 7-10 days prior to rally and on race day the track was in ways a cross between the typical Jhal (soft dust) and Cholistan (sandy) terrains. Though closer to 2012 track this year was very taxing on cars and corners and launch areas were badly cut up.

    The particular section in the video is generally comparable between 2012 and 2014 and it would be difficult to say which year was faster or slower as such. Comparing times for 2012 and 2013 is very difficult however as 2013 was altogether a different animal in my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saidhi View Post
    Two lessons

    If you want to finish, just pace yourself, it will hardly make a difference

    If you want to beat Nadir, just imagine how much more risks you need to take
    Another lesson may be that its much tougher racing up at the front of the pack
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    We don't have to beat Nadir. We just have to share the same podium position with him. Not being too ambitious.

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