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    Default Engine Swap in 2005 Prado

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    A friend of mine wanted to swap his weak D4-D motor in his TZ 2006 Prado. Similar engine is available from a nose cut and complete swap (engine + Transmission) will cost 375K, is that reasonable cost based in ISB?

    Also if we opt for a petrol engine which engine model you guys suggest with a price for a complete swap. However, do we need to swap the differential also in case we convert it to petrol as someone told me point that for diesel to petrol conversion one has to change the differential apart from engine + transmission swap.

    Appreciate your feedback with a rough price idea.

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    @joinami @arzaam.bhatti @qwertypoiu...i am extremely confused(not to blame members here) originally i wanted to rebuild the motor as swapping or conversion will have impact on jeep price. however, told by my friend (working at toyota) and my mechanic to avoid rebuild as it won't last longer and also sourcing original parts and required precision and calibration will be simply impossible to acquire due to local conditions and thats make sense...however, seeing above exhaustive list of swap elements in case of petrol i am thinking of let go of the idea of petrol conversion and put a new motor 1KD? am i going in right direction?

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    No that is the worst idea you can ever have.
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    What makes you think a swap is guaranteed to be successful. There is a equally big possibility of swap failing as the rebuild because scrapyard parts are just that scrap, there's no guarantee that they will be fine and most people end up rebuilding the swapped motor later,

    Also you are forgetting about formality requirements of changing in registration book, and depreciation in car value.

    Try to procure original parts but then the cost will be through the roof, rebuild the original motor to spec using as little junkyard parts as possible or a sincere advice is to just sell the car and get a petrol prado if you fancy petrol so much.


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    Default Engine Swap in 2005 Prado

    I say rebuild the motor if you have a competent mechanic, your current one so far doesn't seem so

    Or sell the car

    But you haven't told us in the first place and no one asked since the thread is in members opinions section what's wrong with your current engine in the first place

    What makes you conclude that it's weak. Describe current problems properly
    Do you think it's weak because mechanic said so, have you done a diesel compression test?

    Problems including smoke can be fixed without major repairs


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    Its totally up to you.

    If you want to swap engine with 5vz.
    Visit Haji Zaman and Abbas shah for engine quotes and adjustment of existing engine.
    Then Imran mechanic and hameed electrician are the best to sort out every other details of the swap. They are the best in Pindi saddar.

    If you want to work on 1kd then go to toyota 3s dealer and tell them to overhaul the engine.

    If you do anything other then this I will not advice that.
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    @Azeem,bhatti @qwertypoiu...existing motor is consuming 1.5-2ltr of oil / 350KM. nozzles are good but there is too much blow from dipstick and engine head oil lid.
    today i have seen half cut 2010 and onwards prados at dry port in ISB, both 1KD and IGR, 5VZ is also there but isn't old tech? I believe we will get good price from dry port directly as i recently sourced vitz 2013 engine 1.3L showing a running of just 14000KM on ODO and we put out all the stuff required for 1ltr to 1.3ltr in PKR96000, believe me the coolent in radiator and bottle and engine oil, transmission were in best condition in kabli engine.

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    As for as 1gr or 5vz and 3rz they are same era of engines, they all come in 2003-2015 model prados you can compare the prices and conditions and decide accordingly. about your existing engine i guess as per your description you might not have to build the whole motor but a bit of it.
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    read this thread completely by our resident Guru Xulfiqar to get info on blowby and oil consumption,

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/eng...-engine-health

    i would only think of a swap or a complete tear down if con rod had gone bust or piston broken or camshaft busted, blowby and oil consumptions are issues which can be solved without too much hassle.

    a 2013 vitz half cut may be in nice condition, but a more than decade old 5VZ or similar engines for your car wont be as there is no way of telling how many km its done, its equally likely to consume oil if you are unlucky.

    if you are in the business of doing swaps or want your freind to have it done in his car its up to you. in the end do work out the economic feasibility.

    how long has your friend had the jeep? what oil is he using,
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    Repair the engine to a minimum threshold by a good mechanic and get rid of the jeep and buy a new one preferably a petrol if you like it so much. and if you still insist on a swap, dont even think of going for any engine other than the original 1 kd. Common guys we are talking about 2005 prado. Not a 60 series or 70 series for that regard that we opt for any swap.

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    Btw for info
    The VZ series was introduced back in 1988 and was completely oily of production with last variant 5VZ in 2004 in all Toyota cars

    1kd was first of it series and introduced in 2000 and its still in production

    So a huge difference in tech, age as well as performance 1kd is faster


    In case of swap go with the list provided by joinami


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    Specially in a country like Pakistan swap is not a good choice if your car worth more than a million and specially in a Toyota which haven't made a bad Engine since Decades .
    The earlier problem of 1KD is also resolved by Toyota since 2009 and there is no rocket science involved in re building the KD engine all you need is to do it properly, all you need is to change your mechanic and in pindi/islamabad you can easily find some reasonable guys to work on that and specially the machinist.
    i have seen lot of toyota having more than 400K km's with KD series engine and still going strong .
    The fuel efficiency is also very good if you compare with same size engines.
    You can get a complete rebuild kit around 1200 to 1350AUD.
    or you can get a 1KD motor (less KM) from Thailand very cheap out of a 4x2 Hilux, use its block .

    I have done a lot of swaps since last 17 years and mind it you will know the hidden costs when you bring your ride back on Road.
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    Rebuild your current engine, find some good mechanic..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Ah! Good mechanic... the proverbial big foot in Pakistan. Often heard of but never seen

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    In lahore, many masters of diesel engines are there. Diesels lasts for ages if you maintain the vehicle even after overhauls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    In lahore, many masters of diesel engines are there. Diesels lasts for ages if you maintain the vehicle even after overhauls.
    Can you point a couple of those out? I might have a diesel project on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Can you point a coupke of those out? I might have a diesel project on the way.

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    there is a guy ishtiaq at super town Madina motor workshop

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    Quote Originally Posted by haroon_1 View Post
    there is a guy ishtiaq at super town Madina motor workshop
    Madina Motors in Super Town or Punjab Society? Both places are near to where I live.

    I'm aware of the one in Punjab Society but not the one in Super Town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Madina Motors in Super Town or Punjab Society? Both places are near to where I live.

    I'm aware of the one in Punjab Society but not the one in Super Town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joinami View Post
    Specially in a country like Pakistan swap is not a good choice if your car worth more than a million and specially in a Toyota which haven't made a bad Engine since Decades .
    The earlier problem of 1KD is also resolved by Toyota since 2009 and there is no rocket science involved in re building the KD engine all you need is to do it properly, all you need is to change your mechanic and in pindi/islamabad you can easily find some reasonable guys to work on that and specially the machinist.
    i have seen lot of toyota having more than 400K km's with KD series engine and still going strong .
    The fuel efficiency is also very good if you compare with same size engines.
    You can get a complete rebuild kit around 1200 to 1350AUD.
    or you can get a 1KD motor (less KM) from Thailand very cheap out of a 4x2 Hilux, use its block .

    I have done a lot of swaps since last 17 years and mind it you will know the hidden costs when you bring your ride back on Road.
    but its a good exercise to learn .
    Need your final view, If prior to 2009 1KD have design issues than rebuild is costing me around 175-200K less nozzles and 2010 engine is costing 325K, now will it be wis-able to spend money on rebuild if i have to keep this SUV for another 5-10yrs and again i faced similar cost down the road due to issues with 2004 era 1KD? i got this vehicle in 2005 and i am happy with looks n comfort but if tech is the issue then swap with other 1KD or 1GR seems feasible to me provided i will be more vigilant with maintenance with 1KD going forward n with petrol it will not be big hassle.

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    Initially I was thinking that its one of your friend ride as you mentioned earlier . !!

    If you do not satisfied with the workmanship of your mechanic and not sure that he is able to re do your current engine than you can go for 1KD swap .
    But make sure that the engine you getting is really low in KMs and saving money is not a priority . Than go for the 1KD swap as staying diesel is good for your car value.

    From which guy you buying the engine at Dry Port as I use to know most of them at times and quite in touch with few at the moment as well .

    I try to give you number of one of them as he use to bring lots of KD engine from Thailand .
    You can get price advise from him as well and I will try to ask him to help you if he can . Though he is a very busy Bloke . But a nice human being .

    And you can still get some handsome money from your current engine at the end as you mentioned nozzles and turbo are ok .
    That guy can help you in that as well as on dry port usually they do not give guarantee .


    I am happy that you start thinking on right track .

    Rest keeping and maintaining 1Kd is do able do not worry .
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