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    My dream to get a part in chollistan desert jeep rally in jimny 1.3 to 1.6 category (D) thats y I have buyed a suzuki jeep 85 model steel body which is converted to soft top. Currently it got 2c engine in it with some unknown big long gearbox. i want to make a serious power under the hood with no issues so it will help meh in qualifying the track in the deep dunes without power loss. i am thinking to put a 4age silvertop 168 hp in my suzuki jeep and i want you guys to help meh with the conversion like:

    1. which gearbox will best fit to the 4age engine and relieble too....
    (someone told me to cope with t50 ae82 rear wheel drive gear with straight bolt fit up) second option is hilux or surf gear or w58 rwd supra 2500cc gear.
    2. second probem is which 4x4 gear will be able to fit??? surf or hilux 1 or oringal suzuki sierra 8v 4x4 gear???
    i know if we fit 16 value jimny or elk model gear with the engine with a plate thn 4x4 gear will directly fit to it..
    3. which shaft and differential should be used??? the orignal sierra 1 will b ok but its under power and chance to break. many people suggested the hilux shaft and differential but its noisy due to it wieght and bigger and it touches the body which creates noise but its very strong as compared to orignal differential.

    plx help meh with this conversion i shall be very thankful to u guys. m really dipressed :-(
    i dun wana go with the suzuki engines as they r under power and when they get hot coils melt up and speacially dohc engines starts missing up and gti 1.6 baleno 1 too get missing when it gets hot....
    they r max 113 hp peak but 4age will be the most killing thing cux of its high reviving and toyota engines does not have these coils heating issues too...

    :-) i am waiting for u guys to help in order to start my project asap :-)

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    thts cool man. thankx for the information....i dun want to lose in rally....il do every aspect the jeep need to be done for completing the whole track for rally...i dun want to take any risk....

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    yeah bro every mech and electrtion is nut while u tell them by urself wot to do n how to do n which part should b done perfectly...they r awl just freaking nuts n just abt to make money thts it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    I think his problem will be solve by changing wiring if you remember "waste sprak system" thread zulfiqar recommend not to use iridium or 4 tip plug and use manufacturer recommended plug the reason is plug have different heat range usign higher heat ranger plug will put load of coils of car
    Well he recommended precious metal plugs like Platinum and Iridium. Liana manual suggests Iridium for below freezing temperatures.

    Heat range has more to do with combustion temperature rather than spark voltage.

    I have seen a lot of Lancers converted to COP on the Internet. I will post a link soon.

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    yeah well wait for the link bro.....guys thnkuo so much for sharing ur experience n ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Well he recommended precious metal plugs like Platinum and Iridium. Liana manual suggests Iridium for below freezing temperatures.

    Heat range has more to do with combustion temperature rather than spark voltage.

    I have seen a lot of Lancers converted to COP on the Internet. I will post a link soon.

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    plug can cause ignition coil to heat up bro Read this

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    hmmmm what about bosch coils which cost 22k??? r they good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    plug can cause ignition coil to heat up bro Read this
    hmmm :-)

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    sooo what moods i can do on jeep for rally??? any suggestions???

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    plug can cause ignition coil to heat up bro Read this
    This is not an article, rather a post by a guy on Yahoo answers. It mentions plug gap rather than precious metal pkugs as the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    This is not an article, rather a post by a guy on Yahoo answers. It mentions plug gap rather than precious metal pkugs as the cause.

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    suzuki sj410 4age silvertop swap -1559162

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
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    There you go! As I said, no mention of precious metals there. A precious metal plug will be better in any case than a copper plug. Liana manual suggests Iridium plugs as well.

    Once again, this is NOT an article written by an expert
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    Relocated coils:

    suzuki sj410 4age silvertop swap -1559239

    Wasted spark to COP conversion kit:

    Ignition Coil Pack EVO IV IX 4g63 Lancer Evolution — Up to 800 WHP | eBay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Relocated coils:

    suzuki sj410 4age silvertop swap -1559239

    Wasted spark to COP conversion kit:

    Ignition Coil Pack EVO IV IX 4g63 Lancer Evolution ?€” Up to 800 WHP | eBay
    I would say don't do it bro if I am not mistaken this setup use 4 coil and in m13a ecu there are only two drives for coil it will overload ecu same way like corolla city coil does through lets wait for @Xulfiqar's openion

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    I would say don't do it bro if I am not mistaken this setup use 4 only and in m13a ecu there is only two drives for coil it will overload ecu same way like corolla city coil does through lets wait for @Xulfiqar's openion
    this makes sense :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    I would say don't do it bro if I am not mistaken this setup use 4 coil and in m13a ecu there are only two drives for coil it will overload ecu same way like corolla city coil does through lets wait for @Xulfiqar's openion
    Well, what Xulfiqar says makes sense but it has been done by innumerable evo owners all over the world.

    Secondly, I won't be converting to COP setup, rather relocating the stock coils to a cooler location as shown in the pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    Well, what Xulfiqar says makes sense but it has been done by innumerable evo owners all over the world.

    Secondly, I won't be converting to COP setup, rather relocating the stock coils to a cooler location as shown in the pic.
    sir ap tou naraz hi go gaye hain...that was evo meri jaan n u can assume its not even stock while we buy a brand new evo...its for race purpose...and its an after market part only for evo ....and its wiring and computer soo much advance than our beloved liana's ....
    sir G 22k wali bosch coils kahan se milay gi or denso coils???
    and its costly sooo iz it relieble too?

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    1- im not naraz.
    2- ignition systems work the same way and Lancer coils are same as Liana. Even Gallant coils will do. This is a common practice by Lancer owners as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proverbial_Slang View Post
    1- im not naraz.
    2- ignition systems work the same way and Lancer coils are same as Liana. Even Gallant coils will do. This is a common practice by Lancer owners as well.

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    so bro what the advantage of this setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    so bro what the advantage of this setup?
    I did a lot of research on this and there seems to be no performance advantage but this will keep the coils running cooler as they will be away from the engine heat. Also, they will be safe from trapped moisture underneath the plugs cover on Liana's tappet cover.
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    hmmmmm cool ....

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