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    I have been asked by my Jeep buddies to post my MB development articels on this site as well, this is for all of you who love Jeeps.........
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    The development on buying an engine for my MB finally started. My good
    friend Jeepaholic stood by my through the entire process and frankly this
    work could not have been done without him. The engine was bought from Pindi.
    We had a few options, we went of the 3-CT diesel. It cost Rs.37,000.00.
    There are additional costs related to this such as new parts, for instance
    timing belt, filters ect. We found a mechanic and the work started. As soon
    as the engine was received it was discovered that the engines oil pan would
    touch the axel rod so it needed to be modified.

    This MB had a 2-C engine installed in it previously. I recovered the old oil
    pan from the 2-C engine which had already been modified and that did fit.
    But we have now decided not to use the 2-C oil pan as its capacity is 4
    liters of oil whereas the new engine pan takes more oil. We will now try to
    modify the new pan. While we take great pride in any work that is related to
    engines, and would consider it duty we usually manage to mix business and
    pleasure. And here pleasure for us is food, and knickknacks. The first plate
    Jeepaholic introduced me to, was a huge meatball Kashmiri dish in soup.
    Lovely, finger licking good, found in one of the winding tiny roads of the
    pindi bazaar. Done with the feast it was time to wash our hands clean of the
    soupy dish, here he showed me another trick. After you wash your hands keep
    some water in the right hand shut the water tap with your left hand and
    drain the contained water in the right hand over the left hand this way the
    particles collected on the left hand while closing the tap would be removed.
    (Tricky at first but once you get the hang of it, works brilliantly.
    Jeepaholic is big on hygiene, this idea was however short-lived as after a
    couple of hours he was enjoying a ‘muli’ washed in plastic container which
    contained coins, who know just how many hands they have been through. We had
    a good laugh, got the spare parts and went back to the mechanic. He now
    wanted a new clutch plate as the one we had bought had small groves and we
    required one with 10 large groves in the center area which meets the shaft.
    We bought two clutch plates and brought them back, a new one and an old
    clutch plate we found at the scrappers with 10 large groves. The old plate
    worked however it required a new leather belt. By this time it was around
    5.00 pm and the mechanic wanted more money to do the engine. We told the
    mechanic to discuss the payment issue upon our return. We went over the
    clutch plate leather ‘wala’ and in his shop under a market staircase
    measuring perhaps 10X4 feet he took the old leather strap off the clutch
    plate, polished it and put a new one in. During this time Jeepaholic decided
    to have a tall glass of orange juice. Again we were in disagreement in the
    way the glasses were washed. A point to note here is that we both love food
    and nothing like eating by the road side, in fact I have had the best food
    on the road, but the dishes should be marginally clean, specially after the
    hand washing lesson. The clutch plate process was perhaps the most exciting
    part of the entire procedure. I really enjoyed the simplicity with which this
    technical work was done.

    The time had come to negotiate with the mechanic and although we were not up
    for his blackmail, mainly because he wanted to corner us once the engine was
    open, in the interest of time we thought that by giving him a little extra
    our work would be done faster. The mechanic has agreed to continue work and
    I shall duly report on the remaining progress by the end of next
    week……………………………. As always your suggestions are welcome.
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    welcome to PW sir!!!
    In ma village offroad starts frm ma porch!

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    Good Sir....Welcome to PW...
    Gari ki deals only on PakWheels!

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    Very interesting report KMB!

    Keep posting updates.

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    Thanks HummerH1 and F430 for the welcome note. You have seen the MB, which reminds me i still need to get the axe holder hook.

    Hi Saad,
    Thanks, I will post the other updates in a few days
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    Welcome aboard and quite an interesting write-up. And kindly keep us updated...

    Thnxx..
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    Welcome aboard. Nice writeup
    If you walk away from your car and don't look back, you have bought the wrong car.

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    Thanks Charterali for the compliment I shall keep you all posted.

    Xain, thanks for the welcome note.

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    KMB, thanks for the fame I just shared the fun with you.

    @ALL, you should have seen the spark in KMB eyes when the engine started and said WHOOOOM WHOOOOM. His MB is a very clean one and secondly he got a very good engine, can someone please throw light on the gadgets fitted on the 3ct I mean those relays and all?
    To all the extreme drivers, please come offroad like ME to keep others safe on the roads.

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    Thanks for the info

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    Thanks KamalD & Jeepaholic for the replies to the post.

    Part II.....
    The engine was installed. Jeepaholic had a made to measure radiator fabricated from Pindi. We placed the battery and the moment of truth came. I had my reservations about the gearbox; it’s a MB original and was not sure if it would work with our 3CT engine. Anyhow I wanted Jeepaholic to have the honor of the first ride. The clutch shifted the gear like butter and the jeep moved. Relief!!! The engine roared, to us jeep lovers it was melodious. As the sun had set it was dark and the electrical work had not been completed. The MB was to be driven without light. So we decided that I would drive in Jeepaholic’s car to provide us with the road light.

    Shifting between gears we could not get much speed. Our thought was to get the great box changed. We soon found out that the 4X4 gear was set in. As soon as the gear lever was returned to its normal position it worked beautifully. It still will not give you top speed but the gear ratio would be amazing for off road trips. We parked the MB and called it a day!

    The next morning I went hunting for a good electrician. All the wiring had to be done. The generator was to be connected. Ignition, lights the entire electrical works needed to be re-done. We asked the electrician to pull the old wiring out and had it replaced. It took hours. To keep warm as it was getting cold we went for a walk, the fresh smell of “afghani tikkas” lured us to the restaurant nearby. After feasting we had a slice of ‘baklawa’ each with some tea to wash it down. Energized we went back to the MB.

    Most of the work was done. The electrician was paid. I was to drive my MB home. As I stepped on the gas the fan whistled and my love for the MB was confirmed.

    I got up early the following morning. The day’s agenda was to get the silencer fixed and a battery box made. I got the silencer done. And the MB drove better or so I think …. One thing is for sure it is a head turner. I could not resist a little off road in the greenbelt area which now is unfortunately being converted to a road……. I am back in Lahore but the MB needs a few more things. An air filter, fuel filter assembly, battery, box, radiator restraints, fan shield and most importantly the vehicle needs to be balanced. Will report on that and more. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. I would highly recommend the 3-CT on this vehicle.

    Finally my special thanks to Jeepaholic who will hopefully get an MB soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ps. If someone is selling Rocky axels and parts i might be interested.

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    i love posts like these, i get to read a good write up and learn alot at the same time.

    (Y)

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    @KhakiMB

    good to see ur jeep rolling...

    i have also selected this engine for my jeep... i think its good power to weight ratio... but... have u seen all those vacuum pipes etc.

    did ur mechanics used all those vacuum lines and didnt bypassed anything? coz mostly mechanics do this.... and u cant get max output out of ur engine.

    i was looking in detail at the EFI version of this engine yesterday... the butterfly in the intake is being controled electronically by a stepper motor.... means fuel and air mixture is control by the ECM... fairly good

    what abt the 3CT? is there a butterfly? i think the accelerator cable controls the pump/governor... what abt the throttle butterfly?... have seen engines where there is a linkage rods between the two...

    my mechanic says doesnt matter... par nai

    how would the turbo wastegate operate if the butterfly never closes and there is no vacuum to actually actuate the wastegate!!! manifold will always keep pressure.. no vacuum state... vacuum possible only if butterfly closes!

    i might be wrong... do tell me how the 3CT works
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    Gentlemen,
    Thanks for the encouragement. Storm glad you enjoyed it.
    Akifjanjua, the engine you have on your post is a 3-c with the intercooler. Mine is a normal turbo. The power to weight ratio for a Willys MB is excellent with the normal 3-CT. I know of three versions for the 3-CT (side/lower turbo, top turbo and the intercooler).

    For heavier vehicles like the one you are going for I think you should get a bigger engine a good option is the 1-KZ. That is the engine I wanted for my MB originally but its too big and too heavy for it, plus the firewall would have to be cut (I don’t like to make any alterations unless absolutely necessary, thus I stuck to the 3-CT and am very happy with it.

    Coming to the local mechanics and what they say about bypassing lines etc; we have to be really clear here. The Japanese have conducted extensive tests and the result are, highly reliable and durable engines provided that you stick to the original specifications. No matter what the mechanic says unless totally necessary trust the people who made the engine over your mechanic.

    Finally about power wastage issue. The 3-CT is a very powerful engine, way more muscle than the original petrol engine of the MB. It is a monster, at times one feels that it lives and roars. Something I love about off-road vehicles. The rawness! They have to be rough like a thug; have that gangster element to them that is when they are fun to drive. If you a driving a Lexus SUV on the road you are alright in fact better then alright, but as soon as you go off-road, you want to be powerful, light and nimble to live up to the challenges that come your way.

    The MB was designed for a top speed of 60 MPH. It will become unstable if I go over that speed. When I change the axels and parts of this jeep then I will be able to get the top speed as given by the 3-CT. Plus the original gearbox would also need to be changed. For now any minor power loss is not an issue at all. The original MB gearbox (3 speed) with its ratio is ideal for off-road conditions. When the original gearbox and axels are completely worn, they will be replaced with Rock parts and gearbox. Please reconsider the choice of engine for your vehicle. Wishing you the very best with your project.
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    Wow, this thread has started getting attention.

    @KMB
    You have a talent of writing intersting narratives. I do enjoy every bit of these.

    Please do post close up photos of engine foundations, both sides. You know why I am asking for these...

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    @KMB
    nice work going...keep it up mate..
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    wonderful thread....keep it comin!!
    We must know that around us is Pakistan, in us Pakistan marches and behind us Pakistan follows...

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    Thanks Saad, Shani606, and Fuhrer_Hurricane. Sadd i will email the photos to you.
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