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    Indian car companies like Tata, Mahindra and 2 wheeler comanies like Bajaj and TVS are one of the biggest manufacturers of automobiles in the world (Eg: Bajaj Auto is world's 4'th largest 2 wheeler maker).

    These companies are also big exporters of Indian made cars/bikes to many countries in the world including India's neighbouring countries like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh.

    But sadly these companies have not been able to do business in Pakistan due to political reasons.

    • Has the time now come for these companies to enter Pakistan with its products?

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    • Will the Pakistani consumer accept these Indian automobiles?

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    @nickatnite
    your last comment "
    though India being four times larger, is going to be that much harder for Pak.Pak can keep pricking the elephant, though. Good luck!
    "

    Sounds pretty ridiculous. I really hope you are not calling hindustan "an elephant".....cos quite honestly you dont have to compare hindustan to an animal!!!! even I can respect hindustan more than an animal even though people like you quite frankly misrepresent others from your country.....AND trust me, there is a lot more to explore in this comment that will offend the indian advertising squad here if I write further, so I will let you go on this one.

    Please think twice before you post such big headed comments at a PAK forum about india being 4 times big. IF you think in this way, then you should be TRULY ASHAMED for comparing your "elephant" to our "small" country. It is even more cowardly to compare indian products to ours in this case!!! Not to mention that tata, itself is probably older than Pakistan altogether!!!

    Pakistan has come a very long way since its independence, and we have a lot to be thankful to Allah for. We are very proud of our achievements, and will continue to improve Inshallah. All in good time, and with education.

    Please remember nothing is impossible in this world, if four times bigger meant anything, then Japan wouldnt be that far ahead of indians in the first place!!!! it is because of silly, big headed comments like this, that someone WILL probably tell you to keep your comments where sun dont shine!!!
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    @Clubshaker_UK
    Hmm, Good questions, and I think already partly answered by Nickatnite as below, and I agree that:
    "I know that Indo-Pak anything bilateral will never happen and each country is eager to destroy the other, whoever gets lucky first"

    as I said, India-Pakistan have a long history, and not a rosy one either. These kinda deals can only work if they were bilateral deals. Unfortunately I can only see indians here wanting to sell in Pakistan, but not many (indians) talking about what benefit to offer to Pakistan in return. I am sorry to also point out that even your own post doesnt talk or ask about what and how Pakistan can have a solid benefit out of selling Indian stuff in Pak. I hope you understand that just like India, and China, it is actually good for Pakistan to stop the imports to grow its own industry, just like these two countries have done.
    One way to achieve this kind of deal possibly could be that India invests in auto factories in Pakistan to manufacture within Pakistan instead of importing the complete product. And I am sure this kind of deals have already been discussed between the two govts.

    Oh yeh, just to mention, there is plenty of trade going on between the two countries already, so it is not true that Pakistan doesnt import from India, or that India doesnt import from Pakistan. Bilateral trade, where deals have been made are already working.
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    @ GamezBond
    Hmmmm...interesting, never knew they'd be so many reasons why, atleast there trading with eachother with other goods but cars is still in question(?)

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    @Clubshaker_UK
    Yeh bro, its great that the relationship is improving all the time. The trade is going to increase too probably, but as they are rival countries, and have quite bit of a history, the deals have to be considered very carefully on both sides, and are not easy to achieve.
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    @Nickatnite:
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    though India being four times larger, is going to be that much harder for Pak.Pak can keep pricking the elephant, though. Good luck!
    "
    While you make big headed comments like these and compare india to an elephant, please also remember, an Ant can kill an elephant, which is pretty small :d :p So the "elephant" does have to be careful what it gets "pricked" by and where :d

    Size doesnt really matter, And as I already wrote if size was important, than india should have been miles ahead of japanese already!!!

    Picking on each other on one side, but I think the thread has already been answered that the idea of selling indian vehicles in pakistan should only be done on bilateral basis if anything. If bilateral deals can not be achieved as you say, then better for Pakistan to not import autos from India.
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    some indian pw's are saying that their bikes are stylish and pakistan's are out dated.i agree,there is a reason for this.their most stylish bike pulsar is 150cc.which is a daily bike not a casual bike.in our daily life some times we have to ride our graceful sisters,mother or wife.won't they look strange over these bikes.this kind of style suites to heavy bikes not to daily bikes.this style of bike is more suitable for girlfreinds not for gracefull ladies.these kind of bikes are not popular here becuase pakistanis don't want to disgrace their ladies.and the engine wise suzuki honda and ravi-piaggio are competting indian bikes from 100cc to 150cc verywell.
    now i ask the people here would they like to ride their gracefull ladeis on this kind of bike.or the second one.
    How about Tata Mahindra Bajaj TVS in Pakistan? -873619


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    some pw's are saying that let the trade begine and let the people decide they want to buy or not.indian sumuguled MRF tyer's come here but no one buy's them.i did not seen even a single car having those tyres exept some old truks and buses.because they need cheap tyres not the quality.when it comes to quality certaily people go for japenees tyres even they prefer thailand and Malysian tyres over indian tyres.
    Now it has been decided that pakistanis don't want socalled superquality indian products.

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    @Nickatnite:
    "though India being four times larger, is going to be that much harder for Pak.Pak can keep pricking the elephant, though. Good luck!"

    This saddens me deeply. I have always had great respect for Nickanite. Maybe this comment was the result of a weak emotional and patriotric moment Nickanite experienced.

    As far as the comment is concerned, I do not believe Pakistan has ever had the intention to take over India, it is not logical or reasonable at all. However, we have seen the Indian military and political intent in 1965 very clearly. the same was observed in 1971 and the statements issued by Indian politicians and leaders afterwards.

    Lets not get into the nitty gritties here and keep it to cars shall we?
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    @ imtiaz786

    the Pic of the Bajaj Pulsar posted by you above is of the Pulsar 220 which is a Oil Cooled, Fuel Injected motorcycle and not the Pulsar 150.

    and with whosoever anyone wants to ride the Pulsar 220 is entirely his priority. LOL :d


    well here is the range of Pulsar Motorcycles made by Bajaj and sold in India and to many countries like Colombia and Indonesia as well.


    The 150cc Bajaj Pulsar 150 makes 14 bhp power and delivers a mileage of around 50-55 kmpl in real life

    How about Tata Mahindra Bajaj TVS in Pakistan? -873634


    The 180cc Bajaj Pulsar 180 makes 16.5 bhp power and delivers a mileage of around 40-45 kmpl in real life

    How about Tata Mahindra Bajaj TVS in Pakistan? -873635


    The 200cc Bajaj Pulsar 200 makes 18 bhp power and delivers a mileage of around 40-45 kmpl in real life

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    The 220cc Bajaj Pulsar 220 makes 20 bhp power and delivers a mileage of around 35-40 kmpl in real life

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    Bajaj Auto wanted to enter the Pakistani Market about 3-4 years back but sadly due to political issues wans't allowed to open business in Pakistan.


    Other Bajaj Motorcyles are

    the 125 cc Bajaj XCD. It delivers around 70 Kmpl in real life conditions

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    Bajaj Discover 135, which is a 135 cc motorcycle

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    people here attention please! this thread creater is an indian guy. this guy and some other guys have the agenda from indian bike companies to make soft corner in pakistani guys. they are constantly insisting on exporting their bikes to pakistan.they want to flood our market with their crap.
    we have a ravi piaggio which is far more better than indian bikes in terms of quality.people give some time to pakistani companies they are makisng better bikes now.this process will lead to more better bikes in future.
    indian bike industry did not make progresse in one day.they also took time.and they are making bikes with the help of forighn companies.
    people here should encourage pakistani products and give them some time.they can make more better bikes than indians.

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    When Tata would be ready to Export the Nano to the world in a few years.. then how about it finding its way to Pakistan as well?


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    One Chinese bike maker is trying to sell a 100 cc motorcycle in India which costs around 20,000-25,000.
    100 cc bikes from Hero Honda, Bajaj, TVS starts at 35,000-40,000

    This bike maker is called as Global Auto and is a JV with an Indian company and has its plant in Kolkata.
    The Xenitis Group is one of Eastern India’s biggest conglomerates with five companies till date operating in four business sectors. The sectors include Infotech, Automobile, Telecom and Education.Global Automobiles is a Xenitis Group company.For more information:-

    http://www.business-standard.com/ind...?autono=303539

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    For all those Paks rubbing their petty little hands with glee over the Nano/West bengal mess read this news item and please stop wasting your time. The Nano is scheduled to be produced from four factories anyways. West Bengal state has been robbed of being the first state to roll out the Nano. Maharashtra state will see the first Nano roll out of the TATA Pune factories.

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    Tata Motors dealers to set up compact ‘F1’ outlets for Nano

    KOLKATA: Even as the Singur impasse continues, Tata Motors is revving up to make Nano available pan-India by the last quarter of this calendar year. It has asked existing dealers to set up compact showrooms, called F1, which will stock Nano. These F1 outlets will be located in city suburbs and in rural areas to help prospective buyers across the Indian heartland to home in on Nano.

    Tata circles indicated the company will opt for a ‘hub and spoke model’ to market Nano in rural zones. While the main dealer showroom will be in metro or a tier-I city, smaller showrooms set up by a dealer will be located in suburbs and rural zones. These Nano showrooms would typically be in the 600-800 sqft range.

    Sources hinted that some leading Tata Motors dealers had already started acquiring space in rural markets. “We are in constant dialogue with Tata Motors on how to market Nano in the best possible way. We have already been directed to open such small showrooms in the districts. Some have already acquired space for such F1 outlets,” said a leading Delhi-based dealer.

    While Nano will be displayed prominently at these F1 outlets, the company has told dealers that efforts should be made to sell other Tata cars through these outlets too. “Tatas have plans to introduce a slew of new cars in the coming years. With that in mind, they have asked the dealers to open as many showrooms as possible in the districts. The outlets will also sell the company’s existing portfolio. The company believes a chunk of its sales in future will come from rural India,” Tata sources said.

    When contacted, Tata Motors official spokersperson did not reveal the details of the proposed dealer network for marketing Nano.

    Meanwhile, leading chambers of commerce in the city on Wednesday expressed concern over the continuing disruptions at major industrial installations which they felt “was severely affecting mega projects in West Bengal”. The reaction from chambers came in the wake of the Trinamool Congress’ intense campaign against the Tata Nano venture.

    A joint statement issued by the chambers said: “We are turning the clock back and fuelling negative perceptions that will unarguably slow down the current momentum and choke off immediate and future investment prospects.” The statement was issued by the Confederation of Indian Industry, Bengal Chamber of Commerce & Industry, Bharat Chamber of Commerce, Calcutta Chamber of Commerce, Indian Chamber of Commerce, Merchants Chamber of Commerce and Oriental Chamber of Commerce.

    Source : Tata Motors dealers to set up compact ?F1? outlets for Nano- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
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    yep

    nano will be out on schedule and probably create history not only for India but for the entire World Auto industry
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    I can't comment about Pakwheels not welcoming Indians bragging about their goods. Unless ofcourse there's such a rule. In thats case perhaps the mods should bar Indians from joining.
    On outdated Indian cars in movies:

    Before 1990, India practised a closed door policy. No foreigner could invest without majority indian participation and a list of formalities (which includes "you know what"). Hence, local car makers were sleeping and producing some trash like Padminis because they knew that they were monopolists. No one could offer cars better than their 30 years outdated cars. Once India began opening up their economy in the 90s, there was a sea of foreign investment. Koreans, Japs etc stormed the market with their better products, and obviously they ended Padminis monopoly (and existance!). This competition brought about better living standards to people. There's no denying on India's economic growth story since the 90s. Same case for China (opened in the 80s) and Russia (effective after Putin came in). We can all see how well those two countries have progressed since opening up. India's founding fathers thought "non dependence on the outside world" was the key to progress, but it was proven wrong and turned around by their future generations.

    In Pakistan it isn't as bad. Foreign investment is allowed ex from India. Jap and Chinese bike makers there are having a good time sleeping because they know there's no competition. They are not gonna initiate new products because for that they need capital + risk. Capital for advertising, retraining workers, new machinery etc. Investing in a new product is risky as there's no confirmation how market would react. Moreover it would take time for their investment to pay off (perhaps after selling say, 2000 units). So to cut the problems short: while their current range is unmatched, they won't take any risks. No businessman would take an unnecessary risk. In other markets, initiating new products is a necessary risk for survival.

    I understand Pakistanis sentiments, fearing Indian goods would dominate their market. But if you notice, Indian companies like Bajaj, TVS, Mahindra etc only became as competitive as they are today producing better cars after India opened its doors. Same goes with Chinese car companies. Perhaps in the next 5 years if Indian bikes enter Pakistan they may dominate, but market forces WON'T let that prevail in the long term.

    Indians expected the demise of their home industries after opening up. But today their home companies are stronger than ever. Compare in Indian cars/bikes pre-1990 and post-1990. Compare the strength of those companies pre and post 1990. I don't need to explain further. We hear them gobbling up large, billion dollar western companies. Something unheard of just 2 decades back.

    I like Indo-China ties in that respect. Although political relations between India and China are as bad (if not worse) than Indo-Pak relations, they don't mix trade with politics and proceed ahead where they can. Chinese are wooing Indian IT companies to China, while Indians are wooing Chinese to invest in infrastructure.

    On why Indian cars aren't as hot as their Jap counterparts, there's no denying that Indian cars are no match compared to Jap / Korean. But does that mean since Tata sells better than Toyota in India, Tata is better? Or Mahindra sells better than Mitsubishi. Does it mean Mahindra better? Bajaj sells more than Kawasaki. It means Bajaj better? What those Indian companies seek is an open market to compete fairly and let the market forces determine their quality. Why should we fight on quality. Let their markets decide. Those Indian brands will keep fighting as long as they can make a good profit, something they've been doing amidst better East Asian and continental cars.

    But what I clearly can see is Indian products would be a hit in Pakistan and that's why Pakistanis are scared to allow them in. If so confident it won't sell, why fear? Why talk about "dominating the market" if they feel it won't sell?

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    On why the quality of Mahindra and Tata cars are not upto Japanese standards.. Chill Yaar, these companies have just started to make cars 10 years back and are hardly a decade old.

    Still the latest cars like the New Indica Vista has proved that 10 years of learning has made Tata come out with huge Quality Improvements. The world now has started to talk about Indian Auto Companies.

    Do I have to mention how Tata is the owner of Land Rover, Jaguar and Daewoo Trucks???


    Just imagine what another 10 years can do to the Indian Auto Gaints fortunes.
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    @DesiBoy
    "Chill Yaar, these companies have just started to make cars 10 years back and are hardly a decade old."

    I think this should be re-checked :-)

    Tata Group,
    started in 1868 by Sir Jamsetji Tata

    Mahindra & Mahindra,
    started in 1945 by Jagdish Mahindra and brother Kailash

    Bajaj Group,
    founded in 1945 by Jamnalal Bajaj

    They are ALL actually older than Pakistan itself :d
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    @Desiboy

    Mahindra was assembling nothing but Willy's Jeeps for donkey years. Tata and Ashok Leyland have been making trucks and buses for many, many years too. Bajaj used to make stupid looking scooters (forgot what's its called) as their only product. What we can see is all drastic improvements only came about after India liberated it's market (i.e. allowed foreign competition). Today Bajaj makes pretty good looking bikes and has stakes in KTM (and Kawasaki?). Tata and Ashok are making buses to compete with Volvo to end Volvo's monopoly in the commuter bus segment. Mahindra is in the process of launching a slew of new cars in the utility sector.

    So to say they are barely 10 years old is wrong. They have been in the business long enough but were sleeping. Only now they have been awakened and they're are doing justice. They wasted many years and are now tring to catch up with the rest. And they're moving ahead at an ashtonishing pace.

    Had India not opened up I think M&M will still be selling Jeeps, Tata and Ashok selling 70s design buses and Bajaj still selling that old scooter (and maybe some 3 wheelers).

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    @Gamezbond,

    Desiboy must have meant Tata and Bajaj in the auto business alone. I don't think Tata ventured in autos in the 19th century. But I know they've been in it for long enough.

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