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    Registration - IJC SNOW CROSS COUNTRY on 17th Jan -570603


    Finally comes the moment and I’m pleased to announce the FINAL PROGRAM of IJC SNOW CROSS COUNTRY. It was finalized by senior members/members and friends of IJC after the 11th Jan offroading event.


    PROGRAM:

    ISLAMABAD - MURREE (60 Km) 17th Jan Saturday 50pm (coz of working day for some of the participants)

    Murree (@ location arranged by Shabab’s) 17th Jan Saturday 7:30pm Camp-fire ***-BBQ(dinner) with music n fun before going to bed(sleeping bag)

    Murree Breakfast 18th Jan Sunday 8:30am. Sightseeing/ Photo session (waiting for MJC to join)

    Murree 18th Jan Sunday 100am Arriving n meeting with friends from Muzafferabad Jeep Club (MJC) (meeting point will be fixed latter)

    MURREE - NATHIAGALI (35 km) 18th Jan Sunday 10:30am Departure for Nathiagali

    Nathiagali 18th Jan Sunday 010pm Lunch at any reasonable. (off course warm n hygienic)

    NATHIAGALI–ISLAMABAD (95km/125km) 18th Jan Sunday 20pm. Two(2) Departure options via Murree or Abbottabad (we’ll decide on traffic info. taken from traffic office Murree via mobile) similarly MJC will follow Murree or Abbottabad for their departure


    REGISTRATION:

    Contribution for every participants is 1000/- Rs. (which include two meals and a breakfast). For registration Please respond to this thread and for contribution of funds contact Rawalpindi: Aamir Malik (aamir567): 0300-8556567, Ibad Ul-Haque (ihaq): 0333-5109021, Salman Alvi (tlcfj40)321-5666676


    NOTE:
    For Registration/Confirmation Thursday, 15th Jan is the LAST DATE, so that necessary arrangements will be done. This program is final, except fine tuning.


    members registered...


    01. Aamir Malik
    02. Rizwan - Own ride
    03. Salman - Own ride
    04. Abdul Haseeb Awan(Punk)
    05. Wajahat Awan
    06. JBK's Friend
    07. Ibad - with CJ7 snow chains, roof rack & Winch.
    08. greenjeep
    09. Hassan sami
    10. Jahangir Mir - Own Ride
    11. Bilal ch.
    12. LRDefender Own Ride
    13. PinkPanther
    14. PinkPanther's Daughter
    15. Jeepahaulic - Own ride
    16. Jeepahaulic Junior
    17. Desertdevil with Ride join us on Camp/bon fire
    18. Desertdevil's Friend
    19. Minhaj ul-Haque (Bro ihaq)
    20. Samad (Nephew ihaq)
    21. Abdul Haseeb Awan [ Punk
    22. Wajahat Awan

    Rides n Riders from Muzafferabad Jeep Club (MJC)
    21• Fahad Mustafa with 1942 Willy
    22• Mansoor with Landcrusier
    23• Nazir with 1942 Willy
    24• Ishtiaq with Landcrusier
    25• Zeshan with Landcrusier (TBC)
    26. G.M.Qureshi
    27. Moheed
    28. Zaheer
    29. Waheed
    30. Waqas
    31. Baig
    32. Ramzan
    33. Faraz
    34. Faisal

    ...and few who are expected and will jump in on friday.

    Syed shoaib
    saleem sahab
    shahid bhai jeepaholic.
    punk
    akif janjua

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    @JBK
    You are absent in events, we really miss u, see u next time inshahallah.

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    @ihaq.....

    We are all brothers and no hard feelings. Believe me it was my first event last weekend with IJC and not for a moment i felt that i am amongest strangers. The atmosphere was so warm and welcoming. Friends like such are hard to find in this era and we should cherish this. thankyou all that made it possible.

    i will inshallah see you all for a brief time on saturday night but for a whole day on sunday drive and lunch.

    @TLCFJ40 and Aamir Bhai... thanks for clarification and your continued support. one question remains to be clarified....do we have walkie talkies or we need to arrange them... i can get 2 from someone i know.

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    @DeeDee
    We are all waiting to see your project..... Do come

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    @desertdevil
    THANKS BUDDY for accepting my apology.

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    @ Desert devil

    Dear Asad if it is possible then bring walkie Talkies.
    -It is always Man behind the Machine.

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    Ihaq & Asad
    Thanx for resolving this matter
    -It is always Man behind the Machine.

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    @Aamir Bhai
    Thanks to you and Asad.

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    @desert devil it will be good if u get two of them the first jeep and the last one can have them just to keep everyone intact.
    Toyota All The Way !!!!!!!!!

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    Hi all offroad buddies, I have just arrived to join this event. We will have lotsa fun InshAllah. Take care. (au)
    To all the extreme drivers, please come offroad like ME to keep others safe on the roads.

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    @ Jeepaholic

    Good to know that u r joining us
    It really will be fun with u guys
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    @Jeepaholic

    I was just thinking abt u.. was about to call u

    now i have to join in.. its sure gonna be one good adventure trip
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    Just something from my side for all the driversTrail Riding in Mud & Snow
    Publish date: Aug 1, 2005
    By: John Nutter
    Source: Jeep at Off-Road.com

    Doin the goo!Slippery conditions can turn a normally easy trail into one that is nearly impassable. Snow is an obvious cause, but on certain soil types a rain storm can turn the surface of the soil into something resembling wheel bearing grease.

    Driving techniques and tire requirements are similar for either snow or slippery trail mud. Wet trails are more easily damaged than dry trails, so Tread Lightly when it's slippery out.

    TIRES, VOIDS, AND LUGS
    I'll start with the most important factor in negotiating slippery trails: Tires. The void ratio is the key. Void ratio is the ratio of the space between the lugs to the space used by the lugs. The higher the void ratio the better, for the most part. A higher void ratio helps the tires clean mud and snow from between the lugs easier.

    Super Swamper Boggers would seem to be a good tire for a slippery trail because of their high void ratio, but they have only horizontal lugs on them. While these tires are good for straight ahead mud runs, the lack of vertical lugs means that a Bogger tired vehicle may be more prone to sliding sideways in a slippery off camber situation.

    A good view of a super swamperThe tires with the next highest void ratio commonly seen on the trail are Buckshot Mudders in radial or bias ply and Super Swamper TSL's in radial or bias ply. All of these tires have a vertical row of center lugs that goes a long way to prevent unwanted sideways movement of the vehicle. Swamper radials and Buckshot radials have the advantage of increased flexing and deformation when aired down due to their radial construction. The flex helps the tires "stick" better by providing a larger contact patch and the flexing action helps them clean the mud out of the tread.

    There are other types of mud tires available with BFG MTs and Mud Kings being the most common on the trail. These are good tires and work well in many conditions, and offer a much more comfortable ride on the street, but when the mud gets really thick and sticky these will clog before the Swampers or Buckshots due to the closer spacing of the tire lugs.

    The best place to see how different tires perform is always going to be under real-world conditions on a trail ride. I recommend going on a few trail rides and watching to see what works best in your area before buying. My personal picks for slippery trail ride conditions where I live (Minnesota) are the Super Swamper radials or Buckshot radial. Don't forget to air down. The extra flexing action helps any tread pattern clear out the mud.

    DRIVING TECHNIQUES:
    Slick StuffSlippery hill climbs require momentum. When there is a patch of slick mud or smooth ice half way up the hill you must have enough speed to carry the vehicle over it and to the next area with some traction. You simply can't idle up a steep hill coated with mud or snow that's so slippery you can't walk on it.
    If you get part way up a hill and forward movement stops you may find yourself going sideways or even sliding back down the hill with the tires still trying to go forward. Don't lock up your tires in this situation. Locking up the tires will cause you to lose all steering control. Always try to go into reverse and idle down. You may come down faster than you would like but you will be able to steer. If things are happening too fast to go into reverse go into neutral or press in the clutch and try pumping the brakes as you back down (never, ever, ever stomp on the brakes hard enough to lock up the wheels when in a slide, it is a sure recipe for disaster).

    Keep centered & straightDon't have the steering wheel turned too far when pumping the brakes because you may find traction and cause the vehicle to turn suddenly. If you have slid sideways across a hillside but are still pointing upwards try pointing your tires back to the center of the trail and giving it some throttle. Lots of times the vehicle will move straight sideways across the face of the hill and get you to a safer place to back down. This will probably not work on an steep off camber hill. (editors note: Use caution when on any steep or off-camber hill, getting even a little bit sideways can put you in danger of rolling the vehicle, always try to keep the jeep pointed straight up and down the hill whenever possible)

    If you find yourself sideways on a hill, or starting to go sideways point your tires up hill and give it some throttle. This will often straighten you out. If you manage to get yourself completely sideways, perpendicular to the hill and feel as though you are about to roll, point your tires downhill and give it some gas and head down the hill.

    When forward progress stops steer back and forthThe old off-roaders trick of turning the steering wheel back and forth when forward progress has stopped will often work when moving through slick mud or climbing a slippery hill, but sometimes you just end up going sideways across the hill. Be cautious of its volatile nature when trying this technique.

    You may at times find yourself in the awkward position of having slid backwards down a hill until a tree stops you. You probably can't drive up or you wouldn't have slid down. A winch pull is always the best answer. If you have no winch you may be able to spin the tires while someone pushes the front of your Jeep sideways, allowing you to make an extremely sharp turn and head back down the hill. Make sure that the slope of the hill will help push the nose of the vehicle in the direction you want, don't let someone get pinned between your Jeep and a tree. If you attempt this move, make sure that you are not going to be in danger of rolling the jeep, and get the nose of the jeep headed straight down ASAP, using power as needed so you can control your descent.

    Up or down, your best control is when both axles are perpendicular to the hill. A good rule of thumb is to send a winch equipped vehicle up first. Otherwise a stuck vehicle may block the trail completely.

    Slippery, off camber descents present a different challenge. The most common problem is the back of the Jeep sliding off to the side. Locker equipped vehicles are especially prone to this. Always keep the Jeep in first gear low range when descending slippery hills. If the rear starts to slide out give it a little throttle and it will usually straighten out. If necessary, and if there is enough room, steer the front in the direction the rear is sliding. This will keep the front directly below the rear and keep you in control.

    Wet rocks can be tricky, especially if there is some mud thrown into the spaces between the rocks. I like it when there is a nice 12" diameter laying log at a 45 degree angle to the trail to hop over in the middle of the rocks, just to add a little more challenge. For this situation be aware that you will slide off one or more of the rocks and pick your line accordingly. Use the rocks to your advantage if possible. For example put the sidewall of a tire against the side of a rock to hold you and keep you from sliding sideways. Don't cross fallen trees at an angle. When you get to that downed tree in the middle of the rocks, if possible, have your jeep pointed in such a way as to bring both front tires over it at the same time. Bump it a little (more gas), rather than risk getting only one tire up and being hung up on a spring or the differential. If you get one front tire up and the other is on the ground, back down, get your axle parallel to the tree, and try again.

    Life got you in a rut?Rutted trails can be a problem for vehicles with small tires, but ruts can be a help in slippery off camber situations. If your tires are big enough to run in the ruts you will probably not slide sideways off the hill. If you have smaller tires try running with just one set of tires in a rut if the trail is wide enough. The uphill rut is usually a better choice. If you straddle a rut in a slippery situation it is just a matter of time until you slide in. If you are lucky your left tire slid into the right rut or vice versa. If you are unlucky you are probably squarely stuck in a rut made by someone with much bigger tires and in need of a tow strap or highlift jack.

    Sometimes you will find a trail that has 2 tracks that have been used by the trucks ahead of you. These often become icy or slippery on a hill climb or descent. Try going to the side a bit to get some fresh snow or untrod dirt under your tires.
    Deep mud and snow:
    Generally deep mud holes have ruts in the bottom and different parts of the bottom may be shallower and deeper, firmer and softer. Poking around the bottom with a stick may help you find shallow spots, but the best technique is to observe the vehicle in front of you.

    Now that's wet mud!In a wet mud hole the Jeep in front of you makes waves. Look at the bottom of the wave to see if you can find a shallower part to drive through. Sometimes a wave rolling across a mud hole will expose a shallow shelf you can get your wheels on. If the guy in front of you gets stuck and you have a similar or lesser equipped Jeep, don't follow his example. In a dryer, stickier mud hole it is difficult to judge how deep it is without driving out into it. The best bet is to go slowly and stop spinning your tires if you can no longer make forward progress. Put the Jeep in reverse and saw the steering wheel back and forth. Many times the side of the tire will bite and push you back out. Stay in your ruts as you back out. This techniques often works well for wet sticky snow too.

    When in doubt... tow it out!The fine art of hooking up a tow strap while stuck in the mud is often learned out of necessity. Anyone can simply hop out into the 30" deep mud (you can tell how deep by how much of your tire is showing), but a clever person can get to the front of their Jeep without getting excessively muddy. With soft doors simply lift the door off the Jeep, place it in the back and step out onto the front tire while clinging to the windshield. From there flop onto the hood and crawl to the front of the Jeep. Assume a sitting position on the hood with your feet on the bumper and try to either throw one end of your strap to someone standing at the edge of the mud or try to catch the end of theirs. If you happen to be on shore it may be fun to throw short the first time so the catcher has to grab the muddy end of the strap as it comes flying at them. Use common sense and don't throw a strap with a shackle or metal tow hook attached to it (better yet, Never even bring a strap with an attached tow hook to a trail ride - they are extremely dangerous).

    The idea here has been to give you a few ideas to help you make it through with the minimum impact to the trail, your vehicle and yourself.
    John Nutter - wavin at ya!These are general guidelines that often work, not hard and fast rules.
    Every vehicle and situation is different.
    Use common sense, and don't compromise safety.
    When in doubt winch it out.
    Tread lightly!
    Do your part to keep 4 wheeling trails open by 4 wheeling responsibly.
    A wise monkey never monkies w/ another monkey's monkey!

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    another LONG LONG LONG story -- i know i know
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    ^^^ Choro YAar Yeh Kaun Parta Hai Between I added your Flashy Jpg in Title. Looking Nice!!

    @Amir/Ihaq/TLC
    Please write list of Confirmed participants so I can add it in title!
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    The people who are bringing their rides will and should read this.. people who are hitching a ride.. well.. they should chill out !!!!

    Thanx for the flashy punk'd
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    My confirmation:

    My daughter and I are in.

    My confirmation dues are with Aamir Bhai
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    very informative though pink

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    Hassan bhai (male_dude) where are you !!!!

    Jahangir (SARKAR RAJ) where are you !!!!
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    @desertdevil thanx
    just trying to help in any way possible !!!
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