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    Dear Pakwheelers,

    Kindly tell me if it is possible, technically and legally to put hilux or land cruiser body on the chassis of Jeep Wagoneer (88 or older models).

    Alongwith body can all equipment and drive train also be installed on the older chassis.

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    Dear Pakwheelers,

    Kindly send your replies. I need your expert advice.

    Thanks,

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    bro u can do that i had wagoneers awhile back changed them with LC body.as long as chasis number is same u can do tht.and body has no number affixed to it.

    it has 6 bolts and toyta SUV & LC also has 6 bolts.
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    It is not legal and so not allowed.
    One cannot have anybody other than its original.
    For instance if you have a SURF 95 model with frame series of KZN130, you can change the body within its own and not even of 96 with frame series of KZN185.
    Please confirm before you go for it

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    Hey ppl, the legal issue is still not clear.

    Can any one please give detailed reply on this. I'll be extremely thankful.

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    As far as im in Peshawar, i think i know abt it a bit in detail. Well Body change means chassis plate tempering.. And tempering of chassis plate by any mean is illegal. Thats is y u might have seen many cars' chassis plate being laboratory checked. This is done to check whether it is tempered or not. If it was legal, there was no need of laboratory check. A couple of years back, people used to change the area of the chassis plate where the Chassis number is written but that could easily be diagnosed. Now they change whole 4 feet wide plate but even that is diagnosable.

    95 japenese corolla rates are 850K these days. I can purchase u a same scrachless unregistered 0 meter car at 200K.... It is very easy to get some accidented car of same model in 100K and get that chassis plate attached to that 200K wali car make it legalise.... BUT.... that 200K wali is non custom paid, so illegal, so even chassis tempered to it is illegal, so the whole body change become illegal.... Hope this answers the query
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    Thanks @panicslayer,

    But while installing LCs body on the Wagoneer chassis, I won’t be making any changes in the chassis plate. The whole chassis will remain of the Wagoneer. No modification will be done in that. That includes no cutting or welding on the Wagoneer’s chassis.

    The original body of Wagoneer will be removed and LCs body along with all the drive train components will be installed on the old chassis. Ive asked some people and they have said that technically it is possible due to almost similar connecting points on the Wagoneer chassis and LCs body.

    Kindly intimate if in this case (no modification to chassis) will this change be legal.

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    I dont know about the legal issues in this but I am sure that it is not a technically feasable option. Reason being that firstly each chasis has specific bends and curves that match the body. The wheelbase of the wagoneer must be (at least) a little different than the TLC. That means that the wheel well will be off center. Mind you.. I did not say its not possible to fit. But you have to do a little research and brainstorming about how well it will fit. The approach and departure angles are also different for the two vehicle bodies and so that also implies that you might have problems centering the diffs with the wheel wells. You will have to do major mods to the floor to accommodate the different curves and humps. The width I think is not a problem. So you have to weigh it... You spend so much and get something that obviously looks altered and not a OEM TLC OR you get the Wag fixed and shove in some nice tires and TLC machinery to make it really stand out.. .
    Just my two cents.
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    See this
    Jeep Wagoneer Body change - tonydim2
    http://www.usedwillysparts.com/images/Techno/tonydim2.jpg
    And for the 60
    http://www.tlc4x4.com/2000/SpecPages/fj60_specs.htm
    The wheelbase has a diff of about 3 inchs..
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    Thanks @ehsankiani for a detailed reply.

    I am planning to fit Land cruiser FJ80 body on the wagoneer chassis.

    I would really appreciate if you could send some pictures of modified wagoneers or links so that I may also look into the possibility of doing some modifications in the wagoneer instead of changing the body.

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    Just google it.. There are a lot of sites detailing the mods. Lot many international 4x4 forums are there as well that you should take a look at. The International Full Size Jeep Association's Forum is the first that comes to mind..
    http://www.google.com.pk/url?q=http://www.ifsja.org/forums/index.html
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    look friend what people do in Quetta. they buy a cherokee or wrangler from border... and they put the chasis patti of wagoneer on that new jeep... and they sell the wagoneer to the kabaria...
    in this way the border jeep is considered legal.......

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    Last replied on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:33:20 PM
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    Very interesting discussion. Makes me want to throw in my 2 cents as well:


    On fitting the FJ80 body on old shape Full Size Wagoneer/Cherokee chasis: Yes, anything is doable, the real question is that is it worth the effort and expense. As Ehsan points out the two are not a simple match and there would be an extensive number of jugaars all over the place to make ends meet. Practically speaking, there is a 90% chance that the end result would be an aesthetic and visual disaster, and even a ten year old from across the street would yell "body change".


    Nevertheless, assuming that you spend 1 year getting all the hooks and nooks right and pay 100K+ to your denter on top of the chasis, body other parts of 300-500K (depending on what you put in). The car that you would have in the end would still not be worth more than a good newly restored Wagoneer's market price and will not sell as an FJ80. Most importantly, 3-5 years down the road you in all likelihood be able to hear those body jugaars play a U2 song from the rattle and hum album everytime you drive on a normal Pakistani road. In short, the car will not sell well and will not last long.


    On the legality of the matter, not sure if I follow everything said above, but I beleive that as a rule while body parts are changeable, full body changes involving chasis plate tampering is asking for trouble.


    My recommendation, if you really want to work on a Wagoneer, would also be to fit in the drivetrain and diffs from an FJ80 onto an old Wagoneer body while keeping the original leaf spring suspension with some good gas shocks. The somewhat tricky bit is restoring the Wagoneer body but with a good denter, some parts from Quetta and a nice paint job, I would think a handsome and solid result can be produced.
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    I agree with Shuaib's input. A Wagoner restored on stock outlook will the suggested suspension upgrade will rock on the rocks!
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    it's leagal to change the body of chasis car and jeep but only on 1 condition
    and the condition is that u can only use the same model body or same model chasis code car/jeep
    if u see there r alot of crown's on the road which have the chasis of 1980's model but there top is above 1990 model that time there was no rule so everyone did but now it's illegal
    u cant use nissn for toyota or toyota for nissan
    SUV for DOUBLE/SINGLE CABIN
    or
    DOUBLE/SINGLE CABIN for SUV
    even it's also illegal if u r going to change the body of SINGLE CABIN to DOUBLE CABIN
    or
    DOUBLE CABIN to SINGLE CABIN
    u only have a rite to go for same model

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    @Poster


    I have gone through the body change procedure and want to let you know that Pakistan Customs do check every imported vehicle. If they detained your vehicle then you will have to go through following process:

    1. First your vehicle will have to go through the "Excise Clearance". In this step your vehicle's initial clearance from port (or auction) will be verified along with the excise registration data verification./li
    2. Secondly your vehicle will have to go through the "Forensic Lab Examination". In this step the chassis of the vehicle will be examined for any kind of tempering/cut & weld. If the chassis is tempered or cut & weld in any way then it will be seized by Customs and will not be returned to you ever./li
    3. If the chassis is found un-tempered then you will have to go through a judiciary process with Customs. You may have to hire a lawyer to take up your case./li
    4. At the end of judiciary process if Customs allows you to pay the duty then it will prepare estimate of the duty applied for the body & engine that you have put on./li
    5. You pay the taxes and get your vehicle released from Customs./li


    I suggest you to plan and workout the customs clearance before you actually change the vehicle's body.
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    The procedure explained above applies even if you have put on the new body of same make an model.
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    Simple rule of thumb: If the vehicle/body is "imported" the rules are the same for body change because all imported items come under custom duty.
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