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Thread: Serious Suggestion Required!!!

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    Post Serious Suggestion Required!!!

    Dear All,

    Why are we relying only on big three automakers and imported used cars in Pakistan? Do we have say?

    As you all aware that price of private automobiles are soaring day by day; even the cheapest & pathetic quality vehicle is now out of budget of an average person. Why can't we restrict ourself from purchasing crap? Are we crap enthusiast? ... No!!!. We have right to change and no matter what happen, if we decide we can change almost everything. Look at leading cellular phone companies, which is a live example for us. Do you remember days when mobile phone & connection were out of reach for a common person? why it is cheaper now? The reason is now we have a better competition in the market. How it happened? When you will not purchase they have to be reclined toward you! All companies are striving for market share. If we react in a same manner toward automobile giants, we will definitely get better products and services not only from them but also other potential competitors. In my opinion, we should take step for the betterment of our future in Pakistan.

    I will request everyone to kindly share their suggestions / recommendations for this cause.

    Good Luck & Best Regards,

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    I,ve been saying that for ages.
    Monopoly can only be broken with competition in the market.
    But over here we so desperate to buy a Corolla or a Civic that we donot even think about other possible options that are available to us.
    Result?
    IMC, Pak Suzuki and Atlas Honda can demand whatever they want for their products and we are happy to pay it to them.
    One of the most difficult things in the world is to know how to do something, and to watch without comment, somebody else do it incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniyalahmad View Post
    I,ve been saying that for ages.
    Monopoly can only be broken with competition in the market.
    But over here every one is so desperate to buy a Corolla or a Civic that they donot even think about other possible options.
    Result?
    IMC, Pak Suzuki and Atlas Honda can demand whatever they want for their products and we are happy to pay it to them.
    Friend, I respect your comments but this time recommendation & its application is need.

    Awaiting your valuable suggestion!
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    price inflation is a monetary problem.
    u can get chinese car makers to invest in pakistan, but I think they will also charge similar prices for similar type of cars.
    the thing is that if the prices are higher and people are still buying the cars then you can be sure that the car maker is not really making more profits than before. The car sales in quantity has not dropped and I'm sure the inflation balanced price of cars is either same as many years before or if its risen, the change is very small. And still the car makers are able to make better quality cars ( as good as the international standard, like civic and corolla have improved quality ) except suzuki offcourse which hasnt since it has a monopoly in the cheap car segment because of the price advantage ( no imported car is as cheap as a mehran and if there are they are costly to maintain and less fuel efficient )...

    My point in simple words is that car prices have only risen as much as wheat, sugar, steel, tomato, potato, fruits etc. and everything else including labor costs and cost of USD in terms of PKR...

    So the problem lies in the state bank controlled by the SBP governor who can solve this issue as soon as government orders it and stops borrowing like hell..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickypaki View Post
    Why can't we restrict ourself from purchasing crap? Are we crap enthusiast? ... No!!!.
    And buy what instead? rickshaws?

    People do NOT buy Mehran out of enthusiasm but for its cheap maintenance and resale.

    There are several things that needs to happen before this will change. I can discuss those, and I have in other posts, but it will be too long.

    We can all wish for this to happen or that to happen, but real life is more than theories. At least, it requires those theories that can be practical too not just sound good on paper.

    So briefly, in my opinion, the real game changer will be when some company decides to bring a bare bone cheap car that can compete with Mehran..without any power steering,windows,etc. And mostly importantly establish good and extensive after sale centers. Get itself established in 4-5 yrs and the competition will automatically start and you will start seeing companies introducing features and marketing them. Currently, few car companies even bother to give an ad.

    We haven't so far even restricted ourselves from paying "own" or buying second hand cars at a higher price than new ones.

    The second way would be for the rupee to somehow stabilize and give more people purchasing power. That can attract new investors into the automotive sector.

    Currently, the sale of passenger cars in Pakistan is roughly 1.25 lacs/yr which is hardly enough to accommodate any new brand, in terms of heavy investment. Setting up a new plant to manufacture, investing in sale/services centers, etc requires huge investment...and what for? for selling maybe 10,000-20,000 cars only(and that too if they are lucky and get extremely positive response)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exubery View Post
    So briefly, in my opinion, the real game changer will be when some company decides to bring a bare bone cheap car that can compete with Mehran..without any power steering,windows,etc. And mostly importantly establish good and extensive after sale centers. Get itself established in 4-5 yrs and the competition will automatically start and you will start seeing companies introducing features and marketing them. Currently, few car companies even bother to give an ad.

    The second way would be for the rupee to somehow stabilize and give more people purchasing power. That can attract new investors into the automotive sector.

    Currently, the sale of passenger cars in Pakistan is roughly 1.25 lacs/yr which is hardly enough to accommodate any new brand, in terms of heavy investment. Setting up a new plant to manufacture, investing in sale/services centers, etc requires huge investment...and what for? for selling maybe 10,000-20,000 cars only(and that too if they are lucky and get extremely positive response)?

    If a new company comes in and invests that much amount, there still may not be much competition. What will happen is that the new company is simply going to take over the competition and establish its own monopoly. And in a country where there are no real laws or law enforcement, they are sure to use their monopoly power to the fullest extent. However that would require a big investment, but the chinese can still do it. Although I dont support it.

    My personal suggestion is for some pakistanis to join hands and setup a small factory and then slowly grow it. Since this business is really risky, several big time businessmen who are loyal to the state can invest together to reduce risk.

    Ruppee has been quite stable in the past three years. Dollar has been around 75-85 range on average. Raising the ruppee up to the purchasing power parity rate will only make investment more difficult since the ruppee against dollar will be more expensive.

    The most important problem is LAW. Nobody really knows what the law actually is and nobody even cares since its not even enforced properly. If laws are clear and easy to understand and are enforced, there is no reason why business in Pakistan wouldnt prosper.

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    The issue isent really with the people but rather the choice available to them.

    Due to the powerful lobby that the automakers have they have been able to get away with fleecing the people with high prices and low or medium quality cars.

    When you go to buy a new car, you want to get as much value for your money so even though you dont want to pay 18-10 lakh rupees for a Pakistani manufactured car, you balance that with buying an imported car that is a few years old, and may have even been fully accidented prior to being shipped to Pakistan.

    Obviously, no one will want to pay 18 lakh for a used and older imported vehicle. That is why the big 3 still continue to make huge money.

    The real choice would be if other manufacturers such as BMW, Audi, GM, Renault etc are all allowed to enter the Pakistani market and begin manufacturing here as well. THEN there would be PROPER competition. The prices will go down, the quality will be higher and in the end the customers would be happy.

    However, the big 3 refuse to allow this to happen because in every single government they have their share of people who would also be affected if the market opens up, lots of politicians own stakes in these car companies, and plus also get huge rishwat from these guys to ensure the market remains closed to additional manufacturers.

    That is why people are stuck.
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    Introduction of Hybrid Models and 600cc class can be a good solution for mitigating price. what do you say?
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    nobody wants to buy this crap but what else option we got,importing car also wont work because of spare parts availability and dumb mechanics.and if you introduce a new good company or if someone starts on their own here this system wont let you survive.you will have to pay these corrupt idiots to survive and compromise on the quality and if you do not compromise on the quality nobody will be able to afford your price tag.
    we can not do anything to these foreign investors as long there are people like Mr90%.

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    before opening a debate, some research should have been done.

    What is IMPORT policy, and what choice people have in terms of selecting a vehicle to suit their liking & budgeting.

    In the world, close neighbors have a policy of car financing, with 3 teir check & TIGHT leash around the customer. With 10 brands of vehicles available in Bangladesh. - 8 are imported from Neighboring India, to keep price amiable. - Ford, KIA, Hyundai, Maruti Suzuki, Honda, Mazda, Chevrolet, TATA, Toyota, Renault, Skoda,

    In Pakistan car financing is another SCAM of banking cartel,

    buying car in Pakistan is a capital investment therefore everyone is looking for value brand which has less depreciating index in market as of accounting books in real.

    AWAM in Pakistan is to suffer and cry only. Consumer right groups they exist but for the interest of their office bearers only.

    People may have desire to buy what pleases their pockets but again the choices are limited.

    use less debate wastage of space & bandwidth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickypaki View Post

    Why can't we restrict ourself from purchasing crap? Are we crap enthusiast? ... No!!!.
    We have right to change and no matter what happen, if we decide we can change almost everything. Look at leading cellular phone companies, which is a live example for us. Do you remember days when mobile phone & connection were out of reach for a common person? why it is cheaper now? The reason is now we have a better competition in the market. How it happened? When you will not purchase they have to be reclined toward you! All companies are striving for market share. If we react in a same manner toward automobile giants, we will definitely get better products and services not only from them but also other potential competitors.
    Because we don't have any choice left by auto industry mafia.
    Prospective buyer has to choose from the available options in hand... what he do, don't buy a car and sacrifice his needs ?? Practically, No one will do that!

    Your idea and thought is good, but bringing this change is not in hands of individuals like us!

    And your example of Telcos is not correct. Call/Mobile Prices were not dropped as people stopped calling and buying mobiles and forced telcos to drop prices rather it was initiated by telcos themself to kill the competition and to gain bigger pie with shrink margins where profitability remains same or increases.
    Nevertheless, both industries have different buyer behaviors and cannot be compared.


    Quote Originally Posted by mickypaki View Post
    In my opinion, we should take step for the betterment of our future in Pakistan.
    Betterment of our future in Pakistan starts with correction of various other basic social, religious and personal fundamentals within ourself, rather by stop buying a commodity.

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    Apparently... it seems from above posts that we have lost hope. Are we loser? No!!! We are best in our capacity. However, we need guidance. Our case is just like we are standing in a blind tunnel where everything is dark. We could not see anything. We need a ray of hope and that hope lies within us.
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    ^^

    Nice post, good to see someone talking abt we, the consumers..

    in my opinion the Reasons are

    1) Monoply over the automobile industry, The Mafia is too strong, you cant even imagine

    2) Lack of infrastructure in that industry, as there is no transfer of technology, despite this condition present on papers..

    2a) Govt not facilitating new industries .

    3)Lack of confidence of consumer over new companies (they know what happened to Kia, Cherry, Hyundai even Nissan)

    4)Uncertainity abt economy. One govt if devise a plan and that is good the next govt must change it to satisfy their ego, or bad governance..

    5)Devaluation of currency, Inflation etc. people want to keep cars as an Asset instead of money, so they try to buy a car with a higher resle..

    6) corruption, where every new industry faces problems that they have not even thought abt regarding their expenditures.. They are called Nazranas.. they may rise up to billions of Rupees depending on the size of industry..

    7) The most current crisis to hit the country is that of energy and law and order.
    No electricity& No gas= No productivity
    No law and order= No industry
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    Well next door they were driving Ambassadors from the 50s besides the new Maruti's from the 1980s onwards till early 1990s, no choices there, they seemed quite content.

    Also why cant Toyota and Suzuki sells more models here as imports.
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