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    Lightbulb Let's buy a car in Pakistan today

    Dear all,
    I'm outlining a scenario about Mr. X who is a Pakistani and plans to buy a car in Pakistan after getting out of bed one good morning. He says to himself, "I want to buy a car and let's look at the various options I have today." Here is what he will find out.

    1. Locally manufactured brand-new PKDM (Pakistan Domestic Market): He finds out that the cars are of poor quality with a very high price-tag which keeps on going up because of the falling rupee. He also finds out that these cars have a good resale value.

    2. Used PKDM (Pakistan Domestic Market): Mr. X now explores buying a used PKDM car. He finds out that if the car is low-priced then it is of low quality too; roughly used and not properly looked after and not worth buying. He also comes across some very well looked after cars but finds out that the owner is asking a very high price. He walks out of this option too.

    3. Fraudulent dealer-imported JDM (Japan Domestic Market) Imports: Now he looks at this option. He goes to the market looks at the cars and finds out that all are used, with forged auction sheets, odometers rolled back, damage-repaired and repainted, tsumani water-damaged and subsequently repaired. He calculates that he won't get what he is paying for and decides not to fall prey to the JDM Import Mafia which is dishonest and passing old, abused and damaged cars as almost brand new ones. So he walks out of this option too.

    4. Self-imported, authentic JDM (Japan Domestic Market) car from Japan: After eliminating the above two options, Mr. X explores this third option of importing an authentic JDM picked directly from an auction house in Japan. He sits down on a table and does his math, calculating and adding up the auction price, freight, custom-duty and taxes. After his calculator blips the total, he is amazed at the figure. It is very high. The total keeps him away from this option too. He finds out that although the car is very good, scratchless, grade 5 with A interior with no PKDM (Pakistan Domestic Market) car even able to eat its dust when it comes to quality and reliability, it is way too high in price. He asks himself, "Which part of the total price (auction price, freight, custom duty and taxes) is unfairly high and should have been reasonable?" Mr. X finds out that it is the custom duty and taxes which have not only been recently increased but are charged in dollars. He is told that because the custom-duty is charged in dollars it has increased because of the falling rupee. Mr. X fails to understand why the Pakistani government is charging the custom-duty in dollars when the transaction is done within the boundary of the state of Pakistan. He is further told by the custom clearing agent that the government has increased the taxes too because it has gone broke and very hungry for money and therefore she (the government) has decided to rip off her people. She (the government) is already doing so by indirect taxation, increased fuel and utility bills which has hit her people hard in the shape of traumatic and unbearable inflation. Mr. X walks out of this option because of the high price-tag as the cost of this option is beyond his budget.

    Mr. X's final two options: Mr. X is very worried now and finds out that all of his options are distasteful. He narrows down his option to two, number 1 (brand new PKDM) and number 4 (self-imported good grade JDM bought directly from an auction house in Japan). He looks at the two options very carefully:

    Option number 1: If he goes for option number 1 (brand new PKDM) he gets a relatively less expensive brand-new stuff with a fabulous resale value but a car of very low quality.

    Option number 4: He examines his other option, option number 4 (self-imported, good grade JDM bought directly from an auction house). If he goes for this option, he gets fabulous quality but a car with a very high price-tag and a relatively low resale value. It is beyond his budget too. Price keeps him away from this option.

    Mr. X's final pick: Option number 1 (brand-new PKDM car). He has reluctantly picked this option because the purchase price is low as compared to option number 4 (self-import JDM). Low price has forced him to pick this option.

    My conclusion: The government has allowed the import of good grade, used JDMs from Japan with fabulous quality but has made the price-tag beyond the reach of a common user. She has increased the duty and taxes so much that it is keeping the end-user away from this option. Therefore a common Pakistani is forced to buy low-priced, low quality vehicles made by the local manufacturers. All of this is being done on purpose. I don't know why? Why are we forced to go to the local manufacturers? Why we have to spend our hard-earned money to get low-quality vehicles from the local manufacturers? Why is this local manufacturer Mafia ruling all the way?

    I've written this thread to highlight the various options a car-buyer has today. I've concluded that we the car-buyers don't have any option but to go to the local manufacturers to buy their sub-standard crap which is not at par with the international standard. These local manufacturers are ripping off the car-buyers since 1983 when the first Pakistani manufactured Suzuki SS80FR (800 cc) came into the market. The sad part is that the government is allowing them to do so. Is she (the government) getting any kickbacks? Probably yes!

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    Lets buy a car in Pakistan today -1289969

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    What's Mr. X's budget & social circle

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    I can relate to this article. I am out in the market looking for a saloon within 1.5-1.7m budget and it is really surprising to see how limited we are in terms of options, particularly when I compare Pakistani market to any other market. If I need a new car, I can only perhaps go for a city or an Xli. In used cars categories, I could go for a higher end corolla or a civic but corolla is way too popular with thieves so my choice is narrowed down to civic. Now abused civics are available for less than 1.5m but for well maintained civics, people are asking ridiculous amount of money partly due to the fact that the new model has crossed 2m mark.

    The story in used car segment isn't any different either. So unfortunate!!!!

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    Wonderful write up :thumbup:

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    nicely summed up man! (Y)

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    @Supereagle Good & Thank you for sparing time
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    reat Eye opening stuff..
    My story i same as of MR X
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    nicely written, we ended up with the third option, though we were lucky to get a clean piece with authentic papers.
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    Default Please tell us about your car.

    Quote Originally Posted by hamza_xeg View Post
    nicely written, we ended up with the third option, though we were lucky to get a clean piece with authentic papers.
    Mohtaram Hamza Sahib,
    Thanks. Would you mind telling us what car was it and what grade, exterior and interior? Exteriors are graded in digits (3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5) and interior in alphabetic characters (A, B, C). Could you also tell us the mileage on the clock at the time of purchase.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supereagle View Post
    Mohtaram Hamza Sahib,
    Thanks. Would you mind telling us what car was it and what grade, exterior and interior? Exteriors are graded in digits (3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5) and interior in alphabetic characters (A, B, C). Could you also tell us the mileage on the clock at the time of purchase.

    Regards.
    it's a 06 probox, 4.5 grade, interior is B, the mileage on vehicle was 14500 approx, which I highly doubt.
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    I bought a Lancer 2007 JDM with 110,000 on the odo for 8.50 Lakh last year.

    It is much more comfortable and drives smoother than a new corolla and city.

    I have made more than 4 trips from Khi to Isb with family on it and the mileage it gave me was more than 18 km/l on the highway.
    What more can I ask for in this money.

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    Very nice description of very common problem. But what you think if pkdm start to give same quality and features as jdm's where will be the price tag?

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    Well written. My family ended up with 1 and 3 (although the dealer wasn't such a big fraud)
    My experience - both have been good.
    Buying a big family car is always best bought brand new. Even though the '13 civic has minor problems, it's still gives more peace of mind than buying a JDM in that price range. We haven't regretted our buy.
    For a small car, Jdm 660cc's are the best provided you know the dealer well. My experience with that has been awesome.
    You can follow both my threads to read about my experience with an expensive PKDM and a reasonably price 660cc JDM, yes there have been minor glitches but I would still opt for the same vehicles every time.
    My advice is:
    As there are no good local small cars these days, it's best to buy a JDM provided you know the dealer and you get everything thoroughly checked by an OBD scanner. A 8 lacs small car with airbags and ABS is not a bad option. And there are always good dealers out there who are good Muslims and don't want to rip off the other person. But that tension when you buy one and take it to the workshop to ensure its in one piece and getting the oil, sparks, air filter changed in a immediately purchased car is weird.
    For a family car, civic' 13 is still an option. It's brakes work, it's wheels don't fall off and it engine starts every day. So its reliable.
    However, an imported JDM in that budget may give more value for your money but will you really want to spend a huge chunk of your hard earned cash for a car used by someone else. It's too high a risk for a car you intend to keep for 7-10 years .
    I've had the civic '13 for around 3 months now. And I (well technically my father) don't regret spending 26 lacs on a local car. You can argue that your prius is better but I can bet on it you can't keep one for ten years or more.
    For a small car, Suzuki swift is pretty good. We've had one for the past 3 years now. It has done 60,000 kms and again none of the wheels have fallen off, it starts everyday yet it lacks in airbags. In such a small yet powerful car, that's a major factor. And then it's automatic version is awful. Which brings to vitz. I have driven one, it's a nice car but if I want to buy a new small 1300 cc hatchback, I will still choose swift-only swift owners can understand this. The smile that the acceleration of this car brings can't be replaced by anything. The sound of it at 7,000 rpm is addictive. Vitz just lacks that 'soul'. Stupid explanation but then again, only swift owners can understand
    Luxury cars- can't afford em so can't talk about em. However i don't understand how someone can by a JDM land cruiser for 15 million rs and live with the Japanese screen and buttons. Range rovers came in hundreds but have disappeared off the streets. Most probably because of maintenance issues/low quality imports.

    Btw, I checked the price of a brand new 2013 JDM daihatsu move (including car and taxes, etc) and it comes out to be 18 lacs!!!!



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    Nice write up.


    i do however disagree that pkdm cars are of poor quality.

    You want to see poor quality, see the new nissan sunny made in india, or the usdm galant. Or just pick any 2005-2008 Mustang or trailblazer. I find the new civic's and swift's quality to be v satisfactory.
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    The whole mitsubishi USDM is on knees. As far as galant.. well you can buy from dealers lot brand new with total incentives in double digits thousands.. still no sale.. early galant were good. Seems soon there will be no galant. . They improved on their quality. On the other hand Subaru and Mazda are running like anything to complete their orders. Better cars in and out then few years ago. Hyundai is OK too but lower than Mazda and Subaru..

    The quality will improve of local assemblers when strict quality ptotocol is followed as well as more options for buyers in form of more brands. Hyundai, Ford, Fiat, Mazda and so on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bango View Post
    Nice write up.


    i do however disagree that pkdm cars are of poor quality.

    You want to see poor quality, see the new nissan sunny made in india, or the usdm galant. Or just pick any 2005-2008 Mustang or trailblazer. I find the new civic's and swift's quality to be v satisfactory.


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    Great write up. It's the sad reality. But what if Mr. X cant afford a new PKDM? And there are a lot of such people in Pakistan. Hardly any semi-satisfying options for them.

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    Pakistanis are left wid no other option than buying cheap PKDM n u explained it very well why

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    I don't understand if Mr. X is so much money conscious why would he want to own a car? A Car is a luxury item and only the class which holds a luxury life can afford to own it in "recent times" (unfortunately), the old times are gone now when we had even a spare car at home just for bringing school kids and sabzi wagera. Still Pakistan is one of the blessed countries where maintaining a car is 1000 times affordable than countries like uk and usa but that time is also approaching now when this blessing would also be taken away from us.

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    HAHA. Im having the same problem. COnfused between swift automatic and vitz 2011 model and eventually I have decided to buy Swift automatic for the peace of mind.

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