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    Default Customer Rights in Pakistan, My Experience

    Salam All

    I have joined this forum principally to share with you people my latest experience with automotive sector perhaps that would bring a change in society.

    It was in April 2006 that I booked a Cuore A/T from Toyota _____ Motors (TXM changed the name of dealer) . At the TXMe of booking I was told that the car would be delivered in July 2006 however if I can try getting “priority” with my own personal means in order to accelerate the delivery.

    Due to some personal reasons I was in desperate need of a car so just after 1 week of the booking I contacted the Toyota Indus Motors in Karachi to follow up the status of delivery. I was amazed to hear that Toyota Indus Motors has not yet received any such booking order and I was told to check up with my dealer TXM.

    Following the directions I contacted TXM, I was greeted by the so called Sales Services of TXM and upon interrogation about my PSO No. ……… the person on telephone simply denied the fact they have booked any such order. (Perhaps this confusion is the result of the faulty data base management system of TXM based on simple Microsoft excels sheets). Shocked by the news I tried to contact the higher management of TXM, which was very difficult to locate and identify. The sales manager took notice of my inquietude and promised to trace back my booking order and call me back. Tired of waiting for the said call which never came I contacted the owner of the TXM, Finally they traced the booking order and I was informed that the delay in the dispatch of the booking order to Toyota Indus was caused due to one of their personnel actually on leave.

    June 2006

    Till 24th of June I was out of the country due to professional reasons and upon my return my father informed me that he contacted TXM to follow up the delivery of the car.

    Its is important to note that on 20th June my father was told by the sales representative of TXM that the car will arrive on Saturday, 24th of June and will be delivered on Monday, 26th of June.

    26th June 2006

    I took the relay from my father and first contacted Toyota Indus Motors Karachi on Monday, 26th June 2006 to check the status. I was shocked to hear from Toyota Indus Motors that the said car has left Karachi since 1st June 2006.

    After waiting long time for a call from TXM for inviting me to collect the car I contacted them. I again went through the same procedures of various calls trying to locate the right interlocutor, as per the customs of TXM they first denied any such booking and when finally they accepted one I was informed that the car has not yet arrived.

    After giving them the reference of the information that I had from Toyota Indus Motors the person on the phone was kind enough to accept that the car has finally arrived in their show room and would be ready for delivery the next day i.e. 27th June 2006.


    27th June 2006

    In order to know where the car had been from 1st June till 26th June I called the Sales Manager of TXM and I was informed that the car arrived on 10th June and once again I was assured by this Manager that he would look into the matter and would try to find out the reason for the delay and I was equally assured by the owner of the TXM that he would look into matter personally but nobody could give me an explanation of this delay.

    Earlier in the morning I was informed by a sales representative of TXM that the car is ready and I can come and collect it, the information was complemented by an afternoon call from Sales Manager.

    I arrived at the Sales Center of TXM at about 17h05 (the time already proposed for a meeting with Sales Manager for the delivery was set at 17h00) and was embarrassed to know that nobody was expecting me and Sales Manager had already left the office. I was received by a sales executive (the one who called me in the morning stating that the car is “READY”). As I was inspecting the car I noticed the following abnormalities

    - The two indicators where not working
    - The headlights of the car on low beam where not working.
    - The front bonnet of the car was slightly damaged and the place where paint had fallen off somebody had tried to hide it with domestic white paint.

    I stayed till 18h15 in the workshop in order to leave with new car but fully functional but thanks to TXM; I had to leave with a faulty brand new car with a promise that they will fix all the problems tomorrow.

    During the current visit I also had the occasion to meet the owner, to whom I narrated the whole above stated story. The owner very generous to offer me four complimentary foot mats in the recognition to all the inconvenience I have had.

    28th June 2006

    28th morning the car was driven to the TXM workshop for the repairs of faults indicated by me. I tried to contact the TXM at about 14h00. After about 20 calls made the result I got was that perhaps the operator was told not pass through my call to the higher management. I was told a number of times that the sales manager is not on seat however one could hear him talking in the background. Finally at about 16h30 I was again confirmed that the car has been fixed and I can come and collect it.

    Once again TXM abided by their strong values to make the customer suffer. The car was not yet ready. I had to spend again 1 hour in workshop so that they finally make it deliverable.

    It’s important to mention that I refused to take those complimentary foot mats from Mr.OWNER which he offered me in compensation to all the inconvenience I have had. If I can buy Rs. 460,000/- worth car I think I can also afford Rs.400 worth foot mats.

    Complaint with Toyota Indus Motors and reaction of TXM.

    In context to all above inconvenience I have had I logged an official complaint to customer relation department of Toyota Indus Motors in Karachi.

    The CR Manager at Toyota Karachi was quite active in responding to my complaint and lodged an inquiry in to whole affair.

    A week after my complaint I was contacted by CR manager of TXM to settle the issue. The CR Manager at Islamabad was quite humble and professional and acknowledged the incompetence at their part but however was reluctant to propose me any thing in return.

    Upon insisting he finally came out with the following proposition to settle the issue.
    - Installation of free security auto locking system in my vehicle

    This solution was totally unacceptable for me and I asked for a symbolic compensation of RS. 10000/-.as an acknowledgement of their incompetence. The Cr manager was quite shocked to hear the amount and told me that settlement of such amount is only at the discretion of the owner of the TXM.

    A week later I was again contacted by the same CR manager and he wanted me to reconsider his previous proposition. However I stood firm on my initial proposal.

    Now this TXMe I was contacted by the General Manager of TXM. This person again apologized for the inconvenience but was reluctant to offer any thing. Going through again those lengthy discussions the new proposition was

    - Installation of free security auto locking system in my vehicle
    - Free service at 5000 km
    - Free service at 10000km

    The very polite GM gave a typical Pakistani argument to resolve the issue that since he is of the age of my father and I am like son to him so I should forget all this and I should accept his proposition.

    Proposition Rejected!!!! And my last words were that I would prefer wasting my time in courts than negotiating peanuts with TXM. So 10000/- PKR or lets start the official court war.


    divwidth: 100%; background-color: #ffff00""I week later finally TXM issued me a check of Rupees Ten Thousand to settle the issue.


    Moral of the Story

    Well the moral of the story is that the customer’s rights don’t exist in Pakistan. Customer pays the money and he is the one who suffers. But its time that we should fight for our rights. Unfortunately we don’t have any consumer rights societies as it happens in developed countries that fight for the consumer’s rights. These manufacturers are exploiting consumers in Pakistan. Perhaps the little endeavour that I have done won’t make me rich but would teach a good lesson to one of such exploiter.

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    @khawas... you have approached all this in a very professional manner I must say... and this should open the eyes of everyone... this is monopolistic mindset....

    A true reflection of how things work in overall Pakistan!
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    @Khawas

    My congratulations to you on standing up for your genuine rights.

    Now I have one thing to ask you - keeping in view the inconvenience, mental and physical torture you faced for one of your rights - will you keep on fighting for your rights in future?

    Customer Right is only one of the rights, what about other rights that we are denied on daily basis... Human Rights, Employee Rights, Citizen Rights, Driver Rights etc.

    You faced all this while spending Rs/4,60,000 but one confronts this situation even when one is buying Rs/50 worth of item.

    The funny part is that when we are not at the recieveing end of the table rather at the giving end we also start exploiting the rights of others...

    In any case, my congratulations again, everyone of us should stand up and be counted in any way we can....

    Cheers!
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    @Khawas
    Well done. If all of us do what you have done, maybe I repeat maybe we can make these auto assemblers give us trouble free cars.

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    All these Japanese manufacturers here are *** holes especially Indus Motor Company.
    And this is all because of us. We love to purchase Toyota Corolla at any cost no matter what because it has resale.
    But these companies will come to their senses if we started acting like you did. You did a wonderful job and if we have more people like you then I am sure they will think twice before doing this and our society will become consumer oriented. Yeh dil mangay more......

    I think the worst time period in Pak history related to automobile and consumer was from middle of 2004 to middle of 2005 when own was all time high and once our dear old famous O D carried own of Rs. 200,000!! WTF!

    By the way what's the name of the dealer? Is is TXM or something else?
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    Its Toyota........Motors
    we have only two options in Islamabad.....
    Capital or ISlamabad

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    @autophile

    I don’t think so it happened that way. Because the original papers that Toyota Indus Motors had issued on my name bear the engine and chassis number of the car that I am in possession of.

    So it’s quite out of question that the dealer can give handover one car to some one else.

    Probably the cause of delay was the casual behaviour of unprofessional people present at TXM. In my opinion the car stayed in their stock or dry port for about 15 days before they finally thought it worth bringing it at Islamabad showroom.

    Probably the other reason is the car vendors expect that since the customer is buying a new car he would be so happy to own it that he would part with it without asking a second question. And especially in our culture a person buying a Cuore is less important than a person buying an Xli and so on……..

    And finally the time has got no value in Pakistan especially customers’ time!!!!

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    @Khawas. Thanks for yor replies, I stand corrected. regards.
    Be polite on the road. Always give way to others, particularly ambulances and pedestrians.

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    @Khawas

    (y)....Your efforts are appreciable, no doubt about that! Every PakWheeler has keenly read all this lengthy post, usually they are not good in reading such long posts. The question is that how many people do on the same lines you did?.....I bet, if every second victim of these dealerships raise their voice, they won't do these dirty tactics any more!
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    If people start to fight their case like u did, things would definitely change.....
    I am amazed how u managed to get money out of these guys... great effort... and why don't u write about this to a newspaper ?
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    i am sure that it was the dealer at aabpara cause i got a similar type of service from there formy Altis

    they damn cared wat was happening are incompetent

    i myself has decided to never buy a car from them ever

    and may be will not buy a toyota next time

    am i right? khawas
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    Techman....language??

    Hey...i think you should send this write up to a few newspapers also...it must be printed and the word should spread around. the objective is to make this dealership and other dealerships realize the flip side of messing with customers.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it..and so restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.

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    @szuberi
    sometimes I get pissed off when I hear such things.
    WW3 the star studded extravaganza is coming to countries near you....book your weapons now!

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    thats perfectly understandable...but you have to keep your cool man. thats the best way to deal with any frustration in life.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it..and so restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions.

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    very well done yar ..! excellent post ..! this should encourge others also ...!

    but yar ...when u saw the damages ..simple keh daytay kay i dont want this car ...........i havent any zero meter car as of yet ...so i dont know exactly ...
    but if i were u ..i would simply say nahin bhai i dont want it
    jokes apart ..is that even possible ???

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    Latest a mail from CEO Indus Motor Company
    (since he was also in cc to all the correpondance that I had with Toyota Indus Motors)

    Dear Mr. Khawas

    Your candid feedback is very valuable to us. I am sorry you were inconvenienced but feel good that an amicable solution was reached.

    Best regards.

    Parvez Ghias

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