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    My question frndz whether for same number of valves and same engine cc iz Honda(dohc vtec ones) more powerful or Toyota (twin cam gt )engines?


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    In general the marketing of Toyota has been based on fuel efficiency and Honda on performance. Now, both are exceptionally engineered products, but Toyota is more conservative and Honda is more agressive. Just look at all the tuners in the world for Honda products. There are probably 20 times more aftermarket things for Honda than Toyota.

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    i would beg to differ. Aftremarket is one thing but Toyota has never taken a back seat when it came to outright performance. Toyota was the first Jap manufacturer to win the WRC with the Celica. I'm surprised why people forget the current offerings and stick to the 4A-FEs and The 1NZ-FEs. The 1/2 ZZ-GE Anyone???. Another intersting fact that most overloo is that Toyota is the only manufacturer that offers the MOST "twin cam/DOHC" type engines. Then there's the Toyota Formula Atlantic engines, 503 series engines. Toyot's a more a case of "been there, done that" while Honda still needs catching up to do. As far as aftermarket tuners go. Dedicated tuning houses are the same for both although ONLY Toyota has OE offering from the house of TRD. Aftermarket tuning houses include, Toms, Top Secret, Blitz, HKS and the list goes on.
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    I second FLi on this. It is actually Honda who is more interested in making fuel efficient cars, look at their ulev, lev ratings on the cars being offered in the states and other places

    ULEV= Ultra low emmission vehicles
    LEV= Low emissions vehicles
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    toyota all the way!!!. i've driven BMW, Amg, saab, volvo, vw,chevy, holden, honda, mazda, alfa romeo, ferarri, porsche and few more good car makers,ok i have not tested these cars to exterme limit but toyota scores top "all rounder"!! where lots of factors are considered to decide. not only just performance and fuel economy.
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    Ofcourse TOYOTA, it has been years ahead than Honda! Which made Toyota the worlds largest auto seller...and Corolla has the guiness record of the most sold out car! & also 4A-GE series will eat the b16
    Now Toyota is much better with 1ZZ-FE/GE and 2ZZ-FE/GE and the 3JZ-GTE was an exceptional piece of art!

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    Ohhh Bhailog, c'mon, now...What about the Acura NSX and the Honda S2000...250 hp out of a naturally asprirated 2.0 liter engine at 8000 rpm!!! Toyota doesn't even come close to a production engine that has done that.

    In America, where I live the two cjhallengers for best selling car in America are the Toyota Camry and the Honda Accord. Both sell around 240,000 units per year each. But if you drive them, the Camry has a softer ride, quieter, and better mileage than the Accord. But the Accord has more power, corners better, is faster, brakes better, and is MUCH more fun to drive...So I bought one!

    And on the last generation Celica, Toyota's so-called "sports car" which is in fact merely a "sporty" car, they made a concious decision to have smooth driveability at the cost of about 35 hp at the top end. They called it a "style consious sporty car" for the USA market. The car failed miserably.

    Also, Soichiro Honda, the founder, had a very strong Formula 1 team since the 1960's and REQUIRED EVERY Road Car Chief Engineer go through that program. In fact two of Honda's Presidents were Chief Engineers of the F1 Program. There is real performance/"Racing improves the breed" culture in Honda from the top down. Toyota started as a sewing machine company, became a conglomerate driven by what sells for high profits. Remember, performance is not where the most profit is.

    Toyota is indeed the highest selling car company in the world, but remember, they are out for sales volume and making money as the prime motive. Biggest doesn't mean best. And to the brother who claims to have driven Ferrari's, etc. You can't compare the performance of a Ferrari or Porsche to any Toyota. Toyota is for the mass market, toyota makes a higher quality car, but we are talking about performance here. If you wanna talk about the Supra, remember, Toyota needed twin turbos to get 70% of the performance of Ferrari who had naturally aspirated power.

    Honda is more focused on performance (read: mileage AND hp!) and although they make high mileage cars and high performance cars they invest more in this technology than Toyota per unit vehicle sold...this is a fact.

    Lastly, When Toyota entered the USA racing scene in a very important (to American racing fans) CART Racing League which includes the Indy 500, they HIRED Ilmore Engineering (competitor to Cosworth) to design and manufacture their racing engine.

    Honda just pulled in their resident engineers and kicked Toyota's, Nissan's, Ford's, and Chev'y asses! Also, when Ferrari needed top notch performance engineering talent for their F1 engine program in 1999, they lured and hired none other than Honda's Chief Engineer.

    Now Toyota has ALOT more money than all the other carmakers in the world, including Honda, and will have more performance products as the business case makes more sense, but make no mistake, the facts and the history of the two companies speak for themselves...I don't need to.

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    my post was focused not on performance of a particular engine, but best deal for yr money,,, "best all rounder"
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    3rd gen 3sgte has 260 hp and you can reach 300 hp by changing air filter , plugs and small stuff like that. this engine can reach 700 hp ( for hp freaks in this fourm) without any problems.
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    Dear levin, what is the displacement of the 3sgte engine? And any engine can reach 700 hp with the right turbo/N2O mods...

    I feel the best all rounder is Honda for people on Pakwheels, who I presume are performance minded.

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    2litre
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    @MotownMadman
    You are technically right any engine can touch 700hp but some engines require a lot of mods and others not so much. Hondas do achieve 700hp rearly but with so much in mods that the project is shelfed before it reaches its target. Comparatively a 4G63 (mitsu. evo) with the right turbo can achive this 700 target easily and mostly with stock internals (pistons, rods, crank).
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    test drive a celica GT4 and compare with honda S2000 yrself
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    @levin
    Good info. I haven't heard about the GT4. Please share some info on it. Is it available in US, Europe, global? Which engine, displacement, etc.

    Thanx

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    http://www.celica-gt4.co.uk/

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    by the way where did you find a stock s2000 engine with 250hp?

    http://automobiles.honda.com/models/specifications_full_specs.asp?ModelName=S2000

    its 2.2 litre, and 237 hp. @7800 . lil below redline.
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    the above SAE net standard for measuring horsepower and torque. reviewed 8/04 for this ,,, 2.2 litre engine not 2litre.
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    The 2.2 is new from 2003 MY. When the S2000 came out around 2001 (I think?) it had a 2.0 liter engine with 240 HP @7850 rpm in US and 250 HP in Euro/Japan.

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    Toyota is fading out the Celica in the US, but it is already working out plans for its next sport coupe in Japan. Sources in Japan have seen secret plans for the new sports coupe based on the same platform that underpins the Scion tC. The new coupe will be powered by a 2.4-liter four producing 250 hp. The 2.4-liter four will be highly tuned, with aggressive VVTi or forced induction. Toyota is squarely aiming the new car at Honda’s Integra Type-R. Expect to see the new car in some form in 2006.
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    phototype of 2.4l
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