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    F1 2009 SEASON IS OVER AND HENCE THREAD CLOSED!










    FOR F1 SEASON 2010 , PLEASE VISIT THE FOLLOWING THREAD:










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    F1 FANS!!!! Welcome to the 2009 Season thread! - Formula 1 - Season 2009 - -565676
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    Previous Seasons of Formula 1 Formula 1 - Season 2008 Formula 1 - Season 2007 Formula 1 - Season 2006 Some Formula 1 related websites Formula 1.com Itv-F1.com Espnstar.com F1-Live.com F1db.com Planetf1.com Autosport.com newsonf1.com
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    As per the request of Uncle Kracker, I have started to calculate the result of previous 4 seasons on my suggested formula which is as follows:


    The new result is calculated with taking only top 8 into account in the first half of the season while the Top 5 in the last half of the season.


    Here is the first Manipulated Result

    2005 FIA Formula One World Championship

    Pos Driver Nationality Team Points N.Points
    1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 133 125
    2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 112 105
    3 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 62 50
    4 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 60 57
    5 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 58 43
    6 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 45 30
    7 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 43 34
    8 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 38 30
    9 Jenson Button British BAR-Honda 37 17
    10 Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 36 26
    11 Nick Heidfeld German Williams-BMW 28 25
    12 David Coulthard British RBR-Cosworth 24 17
    13 Felipe Massa Brazilian Sauber-Petronas 11 7
    14 Jacques Villeneuve Canadian Sauber-Petronas 9 6
    15 Christian Klien Austrian RBR-Cosworth 9 4
    16 Tiago Monteiro Portuguese Jordan-Toyota 7 6
    17 Alexander Wurz Austrian McLaren-Mercedes 6 6
    18 Narain Karthikeyan Indian Jordan-Toyota 5 5
    19 Christijan Albers Dutch Minardi-Cosworth 4 4
    20 Pedro de la Rosa Spanish McLaren-Mercedes 4 4
    21 Patrick Friesacher Austrian Minardi-Cosworth 3 3
    22 Antonio Pizzonia Brazilian Williams-BMW 2 0
    23 Takuma Sato Japanese BAR-Honda 1 0
    24 Vitantonio Liuzzi Italian RBR-Cosworth 1 1
    25 Robert Doornbos Dutch Minardi-Cosworth 0 0
    26 Ricardo Zonta Brazilian Toyota 0 0
    27 Anthony Davidson British BAR-Honda 0 0

    In the first 10 races top 8 drivers are awarded points while the later 9 races top 5 finishers are awarded points.
    The point distribution formula is different for both half.
    First half point distribution would remain the same as the original point distribution formula while later half point distribution formula is given below
    1st 10points
    2nd 7points
    3rd 4points
    4th 2points
    5th 1point.
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    Guys second season result is manipulated and are given below although the first manipulated result donot show significance but this will be a shocker.


    2006 FIA Formula One World Championship


    Pos Driver Team Points New Points
    1 Fernando Alonso Renault 134 117
    2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 121 115
    3 Felipe Massa Ferrari 80 73
    4 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 72 51
    5 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 65 53
    6 Jenson Button Honda 56 39
    7 Rubens Barrichello Honda 30 11
    8 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 26 26
    9 Nick Heidfeld Sauber-BMW 23 16
    10 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 20 10
    11 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren-Mercedes 19 9
    12 Jarno Trulli Toyota 15 5
    13 David Coulthard RBR-Ferrari 14 9
    14 Mark Webber Williams-Cosworth 7 6
    15 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-BMW 7 7
    16 Robert Kubica Sauber-BMW 6 4
    17 Nico Rosberg Williams-Cosworth 4 4
    18 Christian Klien RBR-Ferrari 2 1
    19 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Cosworth 1 0
    20 Scott Speed STR-Cosworth 0 0
    21 Tiago Monteiro MF1-Toyota 0 0
    22 Christijan Albers MF1-Toyota 0 0
    23 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 0 0
    24 Robert Doornbos RBR-Ferrari 0 0
    25 Yuji Ide Super Aguri-Honda 0 0
    26 Sakon Yamamoto Super Aguri-Honda 0 0
    27 Franck Montagny Super Aguri-Honda 0 0

    The point scoring formula is the same which I use to manipulate last result the only difference was number of races this season and last season i.e. 2005 there were 19 races this time 18 races so the season dividing was even with 9 races each both halves.
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    @genius83

    Thanks for posting the revised points under your formula. So far i have not noticed any difference in the top of ten. The drivers have maintained the same position as they did with the original scoring system.
    I am waiting for you to post something where the drivers championship result would be different based on your scoring system.
    Come back, Luca Badoer, all is forgiven.

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    ditto
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    @UK and beglar
    Guys may be the result is not showing some significanct difference but their is one which you could find in the 2006 result and that is the point difference between Michal and Fernando please check it carefully. The total point difference between Alonso and Michal at the end of Japanese GP was 3 with Michal leading the title and Alonso was behind him. Imagine if that would happen in the reality do you think Michal would settle for a 4th place finish in the Brazil.
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    The third manipulated result is here


    2007 FIA Formula One World Championship


    Pos Driver Team Points New Points
    1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 110 104
    2 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 109 100
    3 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes 109 99
    4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 94 80
    5 Nick Heidfeld BMW 61 42
    6 Robert Kubica BMW 39 25
    7 Heikki Kovalainen Renault 30 21
    8 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 21 18
    9 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 20 7
    10 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 14 7
    11 Alexander Wurz Williams-Toyota 13 10
    12 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 10 6
    13 Jarno Trulli Toyota 8 7
    14 Sebastian Vettel STR-Ferrari 6 3
    15 Jenson Button Honda 6 2
    16 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 5 2
    17 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 4 4
    18 Vitantonio Liuzzi STR-Ferrari 3 0
    19 Adrian Sutil Spyker-Ferrari 1 0
    20 Rubens Barrichello Honda 0 0
    21 Scott Speed STR-Ferrari 0 0
    22 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 0 0
    23 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 0 0
    24 Sakon Yamamoto Spyker-Ferrari 0 0
    25 Christijan Albers Spyker-Ferrari 0 0
    26 Markus Winkelhock Spyker-Ferrari 0 0
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    Hindsight is 20/20...

    having said that all these drivers make their strategies according to the points system so no if that had been the points system employed at that time then perhaps michael schumacher would not have been happy with 4th but it wasn't and so he was... I don't see the point of this inspite of all your 'commendable' efforts...
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    @genius83

    Never argue with the wisdom of the lefty:p

    2006! LOL wouldnt i love to comment on that season, and the farcical Italian GP, but let sleeping dogs lie.
    Schumacher didn`t settle for 4th, thats as good as he could get in the Brazilian GP. Alonso, is the one who settled for second behind Massa.
    Like beglar said, commendable effort by you, genius83, but i would still like to see where the result of a championship would have been different based on your formula.
    Come back, Luca Badoer, all is forgiven.

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    @UK and beglar
    Guys thanks for the appreciation. As for the past what ever happend at that time was bound to be happen so I have no reservations on what you guys are saying about the 2006 season but that is true for all seasons whatever season you like to pick. Guys I am about to complete the fourth result manipulation season is 2008 now if the result is not up to your expectations then pick a season yourself and I will manipulate the result.
    p.s I will use this formula on this season and update the points after every race.
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    @genius83

    Can you do the 1989 season? That was another year when someone who won less races went onto win the drivers championship. Scoring system was 9,6,4,3,2,1.
    Come back, Luca Badoer, all is forgiven.

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    Breaking News



    Declaration of new winner of F1 Season 2008


    our correspondant has just reported that after 5 months of discussion FIA has finally agrees to the declare the new world champion of season 2008 formula1 after reviewing the drivers performances through the new formula of points alloting after every race and the new world champion is "Felipe Massa" winning the title in style by having 4 more points then that of Lewis Hamilton who have been declared the world champion at the end of season by just one point, and now Lewis is the runner up of season2008. The results are as follows:


    2008 FIA Formula One World Championship


    Pos Driver Team Points New Points
    1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 98 85
    2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 97 89
    3 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 75 64
    4 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 75 61
    5 Fernando Alonso Renault 61 48
    6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 60 40
    7 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 53 44
    8 Sebastian Vettel STR-Ferrari 35 19
    9 Jarno Trulli Toyota 31 22
    10 Timo Glock Toyota 25 14
    11 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 21 18
    12 Nelsinho Piquet Renault 19 11
    13 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 17 15
    14 Rubens Barrichello Honda 11 11
    15 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 9 8
    16 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 8 6
    17 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari 4 2
    18 Jenson Button Honda 3 3
    19 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 0 0
    20 Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 0 0
    21 Takuma Sato Super Aguri-Honda 0 0
    22 Anthony Davidson Super Aguri-Honda 0 0

    p.s guys it's a joke and Hamilton is still the world champion and he start this season as a title defender.

    @UK
    sir, just one question do you want me to use my formula to manipulate the result. Please answer yes or no.
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    @UK
    on your request the manipulated result of season 1989 is as follows:

    1989 FIA Formula One World Championship
    Pos Driver Team Points New Points
    1 Alain Prost McLaren- Honda 76 84
    2 Ayrton Senna McLaren- Honda 60 64
    3 Riccardo Patrese Williams-Renault 40 38
    4 Nigel Mansell Ferrari 38 39
    5 Thierry Boutsen Williams-Renault 37 37
    6 Alessandro Nannini Benetton-Ford 32 22
    7 Gerhard Berger Ferrari 21 24
    8 Nelson Piquet Lotus-Judd 12 9
    9 Jean Alesi Tyrrell-Ford 8 6
    10 Derek Warwick Arrows-Ford 7 4
    11 Eddie Cheever Arrows-Ford 6 5
    12 Stefan Johansson Onyx-Ford 6 6
    13 Michele Alboreto Lola-Lamborghini 6 6
    14 Johnny Herbert Tyrrell-Ford 5 5
    15 Pierluigi Martini Minardi-Ford 5 3
    16 Mauricio Gugelmin March-Judd 4 4
    17 Andrea de Cesaris Dallara-Ford 4 4
    18 Stefano Modena Brabham-Judd 4 4
    19 Alex Caffi Dallara-Ford 4 4
    20 Martin Brundle Brabham-Judd 4 2
    21 Satoru Nakajima Lotus-Judd 3 2
    22 Christian Danner Rial-Ford 3 3
    23 Emanuele Pirro Benetton-Ford 2 1
    24 Rene Arnoux Ligier-Ford 2 2
    25 Jonathan Palmer Tyrrell-Ford 2 1
    26 Olivier Grouillard Ligier-Ford 1 1
    27 Gabriele Tarquini AGS-Ford 1 1
    28 Luis Perez-Sala Minardi-Ford 1 1
    29 Philippe Alliot Lola-Lamborghini 1 0

    Now somethings to clearify the formula is the same as was used in the previous manipulation of results but the original point scoring this season is only restricted to top 6 drivers so there is not much of a difference between the original and the manipulated result apart from that Alain Prost has a comfortable lead of 20 points instead of 16 as in the reality.
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    @genius83

    Thanks for the effort, bro. Seems the person who won more races that year still doesn't win the championship even with your formula.
    Come back, Luca Badoer, all is forgiven.

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    Most races won=champion

    be it massa or hamilton or even fisichela for that matter... chucks driver strategies out of the window... I know there will be critics of this but if they want to make a change then it should be something decisive like this or else just keep it the way it is... I think its already been proven on the last two pages of this forum that tweaking the points system makes a negligible difference... as @UK said at the start its only the loosing side that whines about the points system anyway... to the winner the glory then...

    now then... any predictions for the first race in two weeks?
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    @beglar_begi

    Shame on you!! Shame on you for mocking us by asking for our predictions when you have lefty`s insight:p

    Since you asked, based on what we have seen so far, and unless someone has really been sand bagging it big time, I`d say we`ll see the two Ferrari cars up-front and Alonso giving chase in the Renault. The rest on current form are behind them, but there is a test going on at Barcelona right now, and probably one more next week so things might change.
    Come back, Luca Badoer, all is forgiven.

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    Toro Rosso reveal the new STR4


    - Formula 1 - Season 2009 - -927300

    - Formula 1 - Season 2009 - -927301


    Scuderia Toro Rosso unveiled their 2009 challenger, the STR4, at the Circuit de Catalunya in Spain on Monday morning.

    The Ferrari-powered car was shaken down for the first time at Adria in Italy last week, and will join the final Formula One group test of the season that takes place in Barcelona from today.

    The car has been produced by Red Bull Technology, so is very similar to the Red Bull Racing RB5 that has impressed so far in early testing.


    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73622


    Scuderia Toro Rosso's new STR4


    http://www.autosport.com/gallery/index.php/id/1605
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    @UK
    Sir, their is one reason behind Alain Prost winning and Ayrton Senna loosing and that reason is Senna only have finish 7 races out of the 16 races in the points from the 89' season while Prost have finish 13 races in points out of 16. Prost certainly have not won more races then Senna but he is more consistent during whole season and thatswhy he is right one to award the title.

    @beglar
    I don't think in the history of F1 anyone or any team have raise concern over point system during any season. Thatswhy I am saying again and again that I will collect this season's result on the formula described before. So be patient through out the season and wait for some interesting result at the end of season.

    As for the prediction of season starter I will say Ferrari 1 or 2, Mclaren 1 or 3 and don't know, Renault expect some surprise, Toyota could be tougher thenever before, RB Renault expecting good result, STR Ferrari under some unneeded pressure, Williams good result expected, BMW good result expecting, Brawn want to show their capability, Force India have no reason for failure.
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    So as the Season is about to start in 2 weeks time here are the 2009 season rules.
    spancolor: #ff0000""divtext-align: center""2009 season changes

    A number of changes to both the Sporting and Technical Regulations have been made by the FIA for the 2009 Formula One season. In the case of the Sporting Regulations, the primary aims are increased reliability and further cost reductions. In the case of the technical changes, there are three main objectives - reducing the role of aerodynamics in the cars’ performance; making overtaking easier; and keeping lap times in check.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Tyres

    After 10 seasons on grooved tyres, Formula One racing returns to slicks in 2009, as part of moves to increase the emphasis on mechanical rather than aerodynamic grip. With no grooves, grip will increase by around 20 percent, bringing a significant performance gain. However, that gain will be offset by the vastly reduced downforce levels of the revised aerodynamic regulations (see below). The overall effect should be reduced performance through high-speed corners. Drivers will still have the choice of two dry tyre compounds and will still have to use both compounds during a race.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS)

    From 2009 teams have the option of employing a KERS to boost their car’s performance. As its name implies, a KERS recovers the (normally wasted) kinetic energy generated by the car’s braking process. This energy is stored using a mechanical flywheel or an electrical battery and then made available to the driver, in set amounts per lap, via a ‘boost button’ on the steering wheel. Under the current regulations the power gain equates to around 80 horsepower, available for just under seven seconds per lap. This could be worth several tenths of a second in terms of lap time, but the weight and packaging of the system - and its impact on the car’s weight distribution - also have to be taken into account.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Engines

    In a move designed to boost reliability still further, rev limits will be cut from 19,000 to 18,000 rpm. Drivers will be limited to eight engines per season, with each team allowed an additional four engines for testing. Once a driver has used up his eight-engine allocation, any engine change will incur a 10-place grid penalty (or a move to the back of the grid if made after qualifying) for the event at which the change is made. Just one team - Renault - has been allowed to make performance modifications to their engine for 2009 in order to help equalise power outputs.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Aerodynamics

    Along with slick tyres, this is the biggest area of change for 2009. Downforce will be dramatically reduced and the cars’ bodywork will appear much cleaner, thanks to new dimensional regulations that effectively outlaw extraneous items such as barge boards, winglets, turning vanes and chimneys on most areas of the car.

    As well as reducing overall aero performance, the revisions are also designed to increase overtaking by making the car less susceptible to turbulence when closely following another driver. The most obvious changes are to the front and rear wings.

    The front wing becomes lower (75mm from 150mm) and wider (up from 1400 to 1800mm - the same width as the car) with driver-adjustable flaps. Drivers will be allowed to make two wing adjustments per lap, altering the wing angle over a six-degree range.

    The rear wing becomes taller (up 150mm to bring it level with the top of the engine cover) and narrower (750mm from 1000mm).

    Also at the back of the car, the diffuser has been moved rearwards, its leading edge now level with (rather than ahead of) the rear-wheel axle line. In addition, the diffuser has been made longer and higher, all changes that will reduce its ability to generate downforce.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Testing

    From 2009 onwards testing is not allowed during the race season (from the week prior to the first Grand Prix until December 31) and is limited to 15,000 kilometres.

    spancolor: #0000ff""Safety car

    The pit lane will now remain open throughout any safety-car period, allowing drivers to refuel without penalty. However, to ensure that drivers are not tempted to speed back to the pit lane, a new software system which employs GPS and the cars’ standard ECU has been introduced. When the safety car is deployed, each driver is given a minimum ‘back to pit’ time based on his position on track. If he arrives in the pit lane before that time he will be penalised.
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    Exclusive Kovalainen Q&A: 2009 could be my season to shine
    McLaren’s Heikki Kovalainen is cautiously optimistic for the 2009 season. The MP4-24 has shown strong potential, the data gleaned from testing has been instructive, and the team are confident they’ll start the season with KERS - something that could give Kovalainen a significant advantage over his rivals in early races. And after a winter spent boosting his fitness levels, the Finn is determined to give himself a fighting chance of taking the title…

    http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2009/3/8995.html

    Looks like last years Italian GP runner up is having something secret up his sleeves.:p
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    @ genius
    I didn't use the word team I said 'side' although it can be misconstrued to mean that. And by side I meant the fans. Thanks for the history lesson though...

    @UK

    I may have the insights of lefty but sometimes I can't help but feel its pulling a fast one on me... know what I mean?

    And the commendable was in quotes (even though they were single)... its an exercise in futility.

    The usual suspects then at the front... I have a feeling Trulli is going to have a good year too. He has some confidence from the past season that should play well for this one. Apparently Button has had a good few laps in barca... that should make Brawn happy. What's this about Mike Gascoyne being brought on as technical director at Brawn GP? Him and Brawn working together should be interesting.
    “I can't really imagine life without Formula One,” - Michael Schumacher

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