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    Exclamation Boric acids+engine oils Do they work out??? Important!!!!

    Hi,

    I saw that thread I wanted to share this with you all..
    I was browsing through another famous automobile forum more oriented towards cars & a guy in that had tested using boric acid + engine oil on his esteem's engine. Later he had tried with Boric acid + petrol, petrol + 2t oil.
    He had mentioned that Using boric acid with oil is the cheapest & most effective way of smoothening the ride & reducing friction drastically.

    Its like this, boric acid (3gms) + 1 litre of oil when mixed & put in the engine, under such high pressure & temperature, Boric acid is transformed as Boric oxide which is tougher than the metal used in engine itself.

    Few points summarised -

    * Its already in the size of 4-15 microns, so passing through oil filter is not an issue. It sticks to the surfaces of metals & reduces grinding of each other.
    * Engine performance improves due to tighter compression as all cavities, crevices are filled by lubricating boron particles which restores original compression.
    * oil changing time can be doubled easily as minute metal parts which makes oil thick is the past thing.
    * Engine oil additives are either sulpher or chlorine or graphites which are very toxic in nature & also when they work in extreme temparature their vapours are very very toxic at exhaust end.
    * Since boron treated metal surface becomes corrosion resistant. Most wear & tear also occurs due to acid formation in combustion process.
    * Boron particles react with water vapour to form boric oxide layers which sticks with metal surfaces making a covalent bond. These layers doesnt allow metal surfaces to contact each other, like in carrom board. They are high temparature, pressure resistant, also they are very hard, infact harder then metal surface beneath it. So metal to metal contact is very much eliminated reducing the friction which is responsible for generating more heat inside combustion chamber. Acidic formation by combustion process is taken care as no metal surface is exposed as earlier.

    Now, my question is, has anyone tried this treatment??
    When this is added, its claimed that it makes engine oil smoother & it sticks to surfaces. In that case, will it make the clutch slippery?
    Is this recommended, because its claimed that its bio degradable & the outcome is non-toxic?

    Suggestions and comments needed in bulk

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    Hmmmmmm,
    You want to try this on a bike or on a car,s engine?
    One of the most difficult things in the world is to know how to do something, and to watch without comment, somebody else do it incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniyalahmad View Post
    Hmmmmmm,
    You want to try this on a bike or on a car,s engine?
    it is used for both and i have searched the results are very good

    i will share them with all of u
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    some one on internet says,

    " I've used boric acid+fuel in my kinetic Honda. (fuel: means petrol+recommended ratio of 2t)
    results are: lowered smoke, lowered vibes, extremely smoth engine and there was no carbon build up at the tip of spark plug.
    Cons are it won't mix with petrol you have to sake the scoot so that it can distribute in well ratio with petrol in the tank or else the Boric acid power will sink to the bottom and you have to Get your carb cleaned 'cause it will also get stuck into the jets...."
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    Default Now look at this man!

    Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery



    ARGONNE, Ill. (Aug. 3, 2007) — One key to saving the environment, improving our economy and reducing our dependence on foreign oil might just be sitting in your mother's medicine cabinet.
    Scientists at the U.S. Department of Energy's Argonne National Laboratory have begun to combine infinitesimal particles of boric acid — known primarily as a mild antiseptic and eye cleanser — with traditional motor oils in order to improve their lubricity and by doing so increase energy efficiency.
    Ali Erdemir, senior scientist in Argonne's Energy Systems Division, has spent nearly 20 years investigating the lubricious properties of boric acid. In 1991, he received an R&D 100 award — widely considered the "Oscar of technology" — for showing that microscopic particles of boric acid could dramatically reduce friction between automobile engine parts. Metals covered with a boric acid film exhibited coefficients of friction lower than that of Teflon, making Erdemir's films the slickest solids in existence at that time.
    "Ali was looking at large, micron-sized, particles," said George Fenske, who works alongside Erdemir at Argonne. "He was just sprinkling boric acid onto surfaces."
    But driven by a conviction that he could fashion boric acid into an even better lubricant, Erdemir continued to chase the ultimate frontier: a perfectly frictionless material. Glimpsing the potential of nanotechnology, Erdemir went smaller — 10 times smaller — and was astonished by the behavior of much thinner boric acid films. "If you can produce or manufacture boric acid at the nanoscale, its properties become even more fantastic," he said.
    Reducing the size of the particles to as tiny as 50 nanometers in diameter — less than one-thousandth the width of a human hair — solved a number of old problems and opened up a number of new possibilities, Erdemir said. In previous tests, his team had combined the larger boric acid particles with pure poly-alpha-olefin, the principal ingredient in many synthetic motor oils. While these larger particles dramatically improved the lubricity of the pure oil, within a few weeks gravity had started to separate the mixture. By using smaller particles, Erdemir created a stable suspension of boric acid in the motor oil.
    In laboratory tests, these new boric acid suspensions have reduced by as much as two-thirds the energy lost through friction as heat. The implications for fuel economy are not hard to imagine, Erdemir said. "You're easily talking about a four or five percent reduction in fuel consumption," he said. "In a given day, we consume so many millions of barrels of oil, and if you can reduce that number by even one percent, that will have a huge economic impact."
    Argonne is currently in talks with materials and lubricant manufacturers to bring boric acid technology to market, Erdemir said. While these new additives need to pass a battery of environmental and safety tests, they will probably be available within two years.
    In his first experiments with boric acid, Erdemir demonstrated that the compound not only proved an effective lubricant but was also every industrial technologist's dream: It came from naturally abundant minerals, was cheap to manufacture, and posed no health hazards or environmental threats.
    Boric acid owes its lubricious properties to its unique natural structure. The compound consists of a stack of crystallized layers in which the atoms tightly adhere to each other. However, these layers stack themselves relatively far apart, so that the intermolecular bonds — called van der Waals forces — are comparatively weak. When stressed, the compound's layers smear and slide over one another easily, like a strewn deck of playing cards. The strong bonding within each layer prevents direct contact between sliding parts, lowering friction and minimizing wear.
    Until recently, most of Erdemir's work in boric acid lubrication had been restricted to motor oils, principally because of the relative bulk of the larger particles. The move to the nanoscale, however, has opened up other possible uses of the chemical. Through a simple chemical reaction, nano-boric acid can be transformed into a liquid relative of boric acid that has shown potential to increase fuel lubricity.
    Using this liquid analog of solid boric acid as a fuel additive on a large scale could greatly benefit the environment, both because it would help to increase fuel efficiency and because it would replace existing fuel lubricants that are potentially harmful to the environment, Erdemir said. By themselves, most fuels — especially diesels — contain some sulfur and other special chemical additives to boost lubricity. When burned, however, some of these additives along with sulfur may cause harmful emissions and acid rain. However, the lack of a suitable alternative complicates efforts to cut sulfur content.
    The substitution of liquid boric acid for sulfur-containing additives preserves the health of the car as well as that of the environment. Sulfur exhaust gradually coats the surface of a car's catalytic converter, the part that helps to reduce the toxicity of a car's emissions. Eventually, the converter becomes so choked with sulfur that it is no longer able to process any more exhaust.
    Even though he has just begun to unleash the potential of boric acid, Erdemir believes that nanoscale synthetic compounds may prove to be even more effective lubricants. "The next step is to use the basic knowledge that we have gained out of this particular compound to come up with more exotic compounds that will work even better," he said. — Jared Sagoff














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    Boric acids+engine oils Do they work out??? Important!!!! - 070803 erdemir 200
    Argonne researcher Ali Erdemir performs a friction test on a metal disc coated with a solution of motor oil with nano-boric acid particles. (Download hi-rez image.)
    Boric acids+engine oils Do they work out??? Important!!!! - 070803 boris acid rose 200
    This boric acid "rose" shows the intricately layered microscopic structure of the compound.
    Boric acids+engine oils Do they work out??? Important!!!! - 070803 boric acid structure 200
    This diagram illustrates the crystalline structure of boric acid. Boron atoms are shown as blue spheres, oxygen pink, and hydrogen brown. Molecular forces that bind the layers in the lattice enable them to slide over one another with very low friction. (Download hi-rez image.)
    Boric acids+engine oils Do they work out??? Important!!!! - 070803 boron california 200
    The frosting on the sands of Boron, California was caused by no snowstorm – rather, it consists of spontaneously forming boron deposits. The natural abundance of boric acid makes it a temptingly cheap and environmentally friendly lubricant.
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    Makes sense in theory but I'd leave the pros like racerf1, Sami_voodoo, xulfiqar etc to give a reply here.

    My only fear is that these covalent bonds may form in the wrong places like valve seats which can lead to problems.
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    Boric acid powder remains suspended in oil......its already in the range of 4 to 15 micron size......so I used normal "carrom Powder"....I was worried about the percentage of addition.....but its really working......motor silk is the product sold in usa and might not be available here......but the main content is boric acid with right fluid carrier...i.e.for engine...its mixed with regular engine oil....for gear box...its mixed with regular gear oil & so on....it can be added in grease too.....

    I m waiting for first 1500km to be completed with this treatment.....one thing I noticed that more km I m addding more its becoming smoother.....

    Engine oil+Powder....this boric acid must be in purest form found generally at chemists.....if oil filter is blocked then my engine could had been killed..but its working fine......
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    @strom
    there is already a product by the name "MOTOR SILK: in us......which uses boric acid and is already patented.

    MotorSilk, LubriSilk, Biodegradable Engine & Motor Treatment Lubricants, Motor Silk, Boron CLS Bond Lubricants - Evergreen America Corporation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    Makes sense in theory but I'd leave the pros like racerf1, Sami_voodoo, xulfiqar etc to give a reply here.

    My only fear is that these covalent bonds may form in the wrong places like valve seats which can lead to problems.

    If your filter in the petrol line is fine grade then the boric acid will form a paste like form and plug fuel flow...assuming it does reach the carburetor, then the jets will not be able to flow better as it accumulates in the float bowl,leading to lean AFR , and blockage later.
    It is better to use it in the engine oil in 4 stroke vehicles .
    This is something which from the World War II the Japs and the Germans had been trying to perfect. They understood the working but never got the particle size right.Argone Labs have done a lot of work in this
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    engine oil manufacturers have done their research to compete in int'l market to sell their oil.

    or rather they are continously spending money on new research
    you can buy the best version at store's shelf and enjoy.
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    WARNING!!!!

    DO NOT use it with Petrol..it will lead to problems of petrol lines getting clogged.
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    1. Things needed - 100Gms boric powder and 100 ml acetone (both available at the local chemist store) & your engine oil
    2. First pour the boric powder into a wide mouth bottle and then pour the acetone into this bottle. Mix them together to form a thick paste.
    3. Pour 200ml of engine oil in this bottle and stir it till it mixes completely with the paste. mix it for around 20 minutes before it could mix completely.
    4. Pour this mixture into the cold engine and take the bike out for a spin. Drive hard or acclerate hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syedhasan92110 View Post
    1. Things needed - 100Gms boric powder and 100 ml acetone (both available at the local chemist store) & your engine oil
    2. First pour the boric powder into a wide mouth bottle and then pour the acetone into this bottle. Mix them together to form a thick paste.
    3. Pour 200ml of engine oil in this bottle and stir it till it mixes completely with the paste. mix it for around 20 minutes before it could mix completely.
    4. Pour this mixture into the cold engine and take the bike out for a spin. Drive hard or acclerate hard.
    Acetone in engine oil? Sounds like a bad idea to me. Will do some research into this later on today.
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    acetone is just to form a paste type thingy
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    hey @syehasan92110 have you tried this yet or not?
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    well thats such an interesting topic,
    hope people with good knowledge can comment.
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    subscribed.. the mystry still isnt solved
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    @hasnain well on next tuning i will definitely try it
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    sorry guys i was out for ramazan
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    You better look for new clutch plates and then crank bearing and the list goes on boy

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