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    Exclamation Havoline 20W-50 (CD70)

    Well as the title says can Caltex Havoline 20W-50 Motor oil be used for CD70, and is there a quality difference between this and the 4T motorcycle oil ?
    If i use it should i expect better pickup mileage ?
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    i have seen many people using caltex havoline for cd 70 and the responce is good i guess.

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    you can use Caltex Havoline in 70cc and 125cc bikes without any hesitation. I and many other peoples use this oil. Caltex Havoline for 70cc cost is Rs.250 and for 125cc it will near 300 or above.

    Caltex Havoline is best oil for 70cc bikes in my opinion but halt! fake havoline is also available in the market.

    There will be much difference between Caltex Havoline and other brand oils.
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    ya caltex havoline is a good choice for cd70 but there are many people selling fake havoline which is very harmful for engine soo becareful
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    I am already using the CALTEX 4T (20W-40) one but it becomes almost like water at 600-700km, the Caltex Havoline motor oil (20W-50) is thick is it true ?
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    I use Caltex Havoline motor oil 20W-50 grade i think, don't remember the exact grade. yes it is thick oil color is purple like and small black bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaudhary007 View Post
    I am already using the CALTEX 4T (20W-40) one but it becomes almost like water at 600-700km, the Caltex Havoline motor oil (20W-50) is thick is it true ?
    the 50 good for running bike at high speeds ,,
    it will retaim its viscosity at high engine temps better then do a 40.. so if u run at high speeds mostly u can happily use 50 in ur 70 which i m doing since lomng,,and since my engine is altered so i definitly mneed it...

    however if u mostly run avg speeds then u wont have much advantage with it,, and no loss either if u use it (50)..

    it costs 400 rs i think for 1 litre,,20w50.. caltex havoline.

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    Waisay Bhaio Caltex Havoline 20w50 is motor oil,,,Not motorcycle oil..It has no Jaso Ma ratings,,,Why are people using a motorcar oil in Motorcycles?

    Caltex 4t 20w40 is not available in 1 liter pack?

    Where can i get genuine 4T caltex oil as the pumps have only 4/3/1 Liter 20w50 Car oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Waisay Bhaio Caltex Havoline 20w50 is motor oil,,,Not motorcycle oil..It has no Jaso Ma ratings,,,Why are people using a motorcar oil in Motorcycles?

    Caltex 4t 20w40 is not available in 1 liter pack?

    Where can i get genuine 4T caltex oil as the pumps have only 4/3/1 Liter 20w50 Car oil
    This thing worries me also & yes its not oil specially made for motorcycles
    i think these below are caltex lubricants specially made for motorcycles
    but this is no where available
    Havoline 20W50 CD70 -1057772

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    i am using the following for the past 3 years on my dhoom .. i have used it for 2 years on my stock dhoom . then i altered it and have been using it on it as well ...

    the 1ltr one costs 400rs (current rate ) and the 3 litr costs 1000 ( abhi shaid mahanga ho gia ho..)


    i try my best to change at 1200 but sometimes i stretch it upto 1500 and quite a few times had stretched it to 2000 km.. last time i changed it at 1800 km .. hahaha
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    Motorcycles lubricants have been facepalmed by Havoline Motor Oilsae 20w50 lol..People use it without thinking twice..It is not made for bike but still ppluse it..Hell i have it in my bike atm ..rofl

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    i checked my dhoom manual it recomends SAE 20W50 SF Motor OIL ..

    see at page 66 of manual.

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    API grade is not the Issue..The thing is Havoline 20w50 is not made for Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    API grade is not the Issue..The thing is Havoline 20w50 is not made for Bikes


    True but not quite True

    i got a good looking wiki article
    Can diesel engine oil used in 4stroke bike?
    No Automotive Engine oil is different then 4 Stroke Motorcycle Engine Oil.

    CAR VS. MOTORCYCLE OIL:
    Car oils are formulated for cars. Motorcycle oils are specifically formulated for motorcycles. Motorcycles induce accelerated viscosity breakdown, and thus motorcycle oils contain additives that car oils do not to correct for this. Additionally, many car oils contain additives which are not suitable for motorcycles with wet clutches; if you have a wet clutch (or aren't sure), always stick to good motorcycle oils.

    Motorcycles Engines are Special
    In most motorcycle engines, those same engine surfaces generally move much faster than they do in car and truck engines, conventionally twice to ten times as fast, due to difference in RPM ranges, stroke lengths, stroke speeds (i.e. - piston speed), et cetera. Additionally, most modern street-oriented motorcycles have a "wet clutch", which means that the clutch plates also sit in the same oil that the rest of the engine uses to lubricate itself. Most also have the transmission also sharing this same oil. Throw in the fact that some motorcycles are still oil-air cooled (which causes the oil to run 1.5 to 3 times hotter than a water-cooled engine). These four differences (speed, clutch exposure, transmission exposure and oil temp) are the grounds for the basic differences between formulations of motorcycle oils and car oils.

    A Motorcycle-specific Oil Standard:
    The JASO MA standard was passed in 1998 specifically for motorcycle engine/tranny requirements that weren't being met by solely the API standards. As a result, if your manufacturer has specified an oil that meets JASO MA and API SF/SG/SH/SH+SJ (any of these), it is critically important that you meet BOTH of those standards and not just one or the other. If you ride a Japanese motorcycle build between 1971 and 2005, and it calls for one of the following API specs (SD, SE, SF, SG and/or SH), then the JASO MA standard is recommended (but may not be required) -- as it will help keep your older motorcycle from encountering some of the problems that induced the JASO organization to create the JASO MA standard in the first place. This is expecially true for air and oil-air cooled high-RPM motorcycles. Note that JASO MB is a competing standard specifically for a different engine type, and does not replace nor supercede the JASO MA standard. Be careful to read the specs fully, as some oils claim to "exceed the JASO-MA friction standard" without meeting all of the JASO-MA specs.
    In 2008, JASO split the JASO-MA standard into two substandards: JASO-MA1 and JASO-MA2. If your needs called for JASO-MA, JASO MA1 is the follow-on standard for your bike.
    fact:
    1: our bikes are old bikes and old tech and they recomend API-SG only ... at least my dhoom manual doesnt speaks of JASO-MA .
    2: in my experience havoline is better though its not JASO-MA
    3: PSO Blaze 4T meets API-SG and JASO-MA and i have used it but it would soon go poo poo black and engine would heat quickly and also on long routs using high speed it engine would scream .. on most mechanics recomendation havoline .. i found it better in those issues... however back then when i used pso oil it was i think 20w40 and was with some other name . so may be new one is good . do share ur experience if u use any other

    willing to further explore and experiment .. share ur view if u use any other oil

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    ACTIV 4T with TriZone technology looks pretty promising ... its api-sg and jaso-ma/ma2... and ma/ma2 is specifically for motorcycles .. will try it and hope experiment goes well and then use it..

    can someone tell me its price and availability in islamabad/rawalpindi ? where one can get authentic oil..

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    i'm using the same oil, it cost me 400/ltr and over all its great oil comparing to 20W-40 which is API SF, and this one is 20W-50 API SG, a little higher grade but its fine to use in bike, i was looking forward for cheaper solutions, such as buying oil in bulk and use it in bith my bike and generator too, Havoline's 3ltr can is 1200 in the market, i will also check the oil the pump folks sells from the drum they got of havoline, will see how much that cost!

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    If its a JASO MA/MA2 standard oil then its for wet plates bike hence suuitable for 70 too .. if it is not then most probably one is using wrong oil... as I just learnt this from experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaudhary007 View Post
    Well as the title says can Caltex Havoline 20W-50 Motor oil be used for CD70, and is there a quality difference between this and the 4T motorcycle oil ?
    If i use it should i expect better pickup mileage ?
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    Yes u can bro, I am using Caltex Havoline 20-50 in my Honda CD100 2007 response and performance is super Alhamdulillah and lasts for 1500 Kilometer!!
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    i bought castrol active 4t .. the worst oil so far .. i have seen in my life . the day i changed it i got a lot of issues with clutch /gear ./.
    i bought it from mohamdi autos rawalpindi so i have no doubt its fake as they are very reliable ..i am having the worst experience .. i will change to havlonine . . let me give it a try for at least 800 km ..


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    I am using caltex havoline 20 40 for my 70 and I am sure that its genuine and price is 265 or 260 just forgot and guys remember price of jali 2 number caltex havoline is 250 where on the other hand company price is 260 or 265 next time I when I will buy I will take snap for upload. I just want to know what is price of caltex havoline 20 50 bcoz i never used it.

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