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    Default Synthetic Vs Mineral Engine oil for Motorcycles ?

    Hi
    of late i have been reading about engine oils .. mostly we use havline api-sg 10w50 .. in our bikes .. which is mineral oil..

    now there are various engine oils which are semi or fully synthetic ..like shell ax 5 and ax7 ..

    kia kissi na use kia ha koi synthetic ?

    i have red too much good about synthetic oils ..
    Please Share ur experience..

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    what do u recommend for piaggio strom

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    yar price comparison of castrol vs havo ?
    if one goes by standards then pso blaze 4t is winning choice as its 270 rs for .7 ltr and its apisg and jaso ma
    while shell advance ax3 on site says its jaso ma but on bottle it doesnt says so .. on bottle it only says api-sg . something is fishy here...

    fishy fishy fishy
    Sir castrol active is by the best interms of API standards..Its API-SL 20w50 (no friction modifiers unlike Shell AX5 and AX7--friction modifiers was wet clutch slippage )costs Rs 380 for 1 liter..In pakistani motorcycles any grade Having API-SG or above is sufficient.

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    Sae 20w40 oil will be less viscous at operating temperatures than 20w50..thus lubricating at faster rate than 20w50..For newer engines 20w40 is the prime contestant..Both oils behave exactly the same at cold starts...
    For old engines 20w50

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    Just checked an oil store..
    Shell AX3 is available in both 0.7Ml and 1Ltr. Whereas he said that the Red Caltex Havoline was imported from Sharjah for a limited period and has been discontinued now...

    But I found this: in 1Ltr packaging! ZIC HIFLO fully synthetic engine oil 20W-50 - he said its good for 1500Kms (safe side)
    470Rs:
    Synthetic Vs Mineral Engine oil for Motorcycles ? -1076844

    :: MAS GROUP ::

    I might try this next time... and would search for a semi synthetic too, it wasnt available with the oil store guy.

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    Using a car's engine oil in motorcycle is not a great idea...They are not designed for air cooled engines..Lose viscosity early than scooter oils..These friction modifiers that are added to automotive oils are what cause serious damages when used in motorcycles. The friction modifiers clog the clutch plates in a motorcycle's transmission causing serious clutch slippage and disabling the motorcycle. You see, for motorcycles to be as compact as they are, they have to combine their engine and transmission into one casing. This means that everything is lubricated by only one type of oil including the valves, piston, transmission, and clutch and are energy conserving

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    Caltex Havoline 20w50(red) is still available..No sharjah warjah thingy..Get it via any good caltex pump

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Using a car's engine oil in motorcycle is not a great idea...They are not designed for air cooled engines..Lose viscosity early than scooter oils..These friction modifiers that are added to automotive oils are what cause serious damages when used in motorcycles. The friction modifiers clog the clutch plates in a motorcycle's transmission causing serious clutch slippage and disabling the motorcycle. You see, for motorcycles to be as compact as they are, they have to combine their engine and transmission into one casing. This means that everything is lubricated by only one type of oil including the valves, piston, transmission, and clutch and are energy conserving
    I will second that...
    API SF/SG are a different story, even if they are not JASO MA certified, you can use them in bikes because they don't have friction modifiers, energy conservers and what not....
    But newer grades are coming with these ingradients which are good for cars but not for bikes so if you want to use API SJ or newer as SL/SM in your bike, you must make sure that it is JASO MA certified as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Using a car's engine oil in motorcycle is not a great idea...They are not designed for air cooled engines..Lose viscosity early than scooter oils..These friction modifiers that are added to automotive oils are what cause serious damages when used in motorcycles. The friction modifiers clog the clutch plates in a motorcycle's transmission causing serious clutch slippage and disabling the motorcycle. You see, for motorcycles to be as compact as they are, they have to combine their engine and transmission into one casing. This means that everything is lubricated by only one type of oil including the valves, piston, transmission, and clutch and are energy conserving
    If it is 20W-50 then doesnt this is supposed to mean that it has the same viscosity?? Viscosity is measured by this grade if the grade is same i can not understand the reason of ur above statement.

    And if red one is available I'd look out for that too! thanks.

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    i have never found this 4t

    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Havoline 4t 20w40 comes in 700ml packing only..So useless for 100-125 cc bikes..Also the oil loses its viscousity at 800Kms unlike havo 20w50

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    Which is best oil for pridor?On manual of pridor engine oil capacity is .7l
    Sada nai banya.......Chalo koi gul nai....mitti pao...its ok..!!

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    what they say about its api rating and grades etc ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone View Post
    Which is best oil for pridor?On manual of pridor engine oil capacity is .7l

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    @asjdsm, SAE20w-40(api-sf/cc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone View Post
    Which is best oil for pridor?On manual of pridor engine oil capacity is .7l
    O good, it means that Honda CD 100 Priodor and Honda CD 70 will share the same oil of 0.7L ???
    Oil capacity is reduced ... amazing

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    So now a 100 has 70cc oil capacity..Weird..More oil=ease of lubrication..0.7L is sufficient for lubing a 70cc and now same quantity for a 100cc..Wow Honda amazing!!!Thats noobism

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    ^^^Whats the oil level in old cd100?on manual it is stated as,
    ENGINE OIL: .9liter

    TABBDELI: .7liter
    Sada nai banya.......Chalo koi gul nai....mitti pao...its ok..!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    If it is 20W-50 then doesnt this is supposed to mean that it has the same viscosity?? Viscosity is measured by this grade if the grade is same i can not understand the reason of ur above statement.

    And if red one is available I'd look out for that too! thanks.
    I will explain in the easiest way possible..Api viscosity ratings,,you can consider them as oil speed of flow.

    When you see a W on a viscosity rating it means that this oil viscosity has been tested at a Colder temperature.The numbers without the W(i.e after W) are all tested at 210 degress F or 100 degrees C which is considered an approximation of engine operating temperature

    For example, a 5W-30 motor oil performs like a SAE 5 motor oil would perform at the cold temperature specified, but still has the SAE 30 viscosity at 210 F (100 C) which is engine operating temperature. This allows the engine to get quick oil flow when it is started cold verses dry running until lubricant either warms up sufficiently or is finally forced through the engine oil system. The advantages of a low W viscosity number is obvious. The quicker the oil flows cold, the less dry running. Less dry running means much less engine wear..

    Thus
    20w30
    20w40
    20w50
    Will behave exactly the same in cold start..Same viscosity/same speed of flow.. but not at optimum running temperature(when the engine is hot)

    there viscosities when engine is hot will be
    30(less viscous/less thick but faster flow rate)
    40(More viscous/thick than a 20w30 and less flow rate)
    50(Most viscous/thickest than both 20w30 and 20w40 but lowest flow rate at optimum temperature)

    These oils are called multi-grade because their viscosity/thickness varies with temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone View Post
    ^^^Whats the oil level in old cd100?on manual it is stated as,
    ENGINE OIL: .9liter

    TABBDELI: .7liter
    Its 0.75 L to be exact..Begham ho kay 0.75 ml oil pain aur oil gauge check karain

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    ^^^honda guys are Shazady,check the air pressure in tyres after purchasing the bike,in front it is 33 and in back it is 25.
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    whats the best oil for piaggio storm 125 and is easily available also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    So now a 100 has 70cc oil capacity..Weird..More oil=ease of lubrication..0.7L is sufficient for lubing a 70cc and now same quantity for a 100cc..Wow Honda amazing!!!Thats noobism
    Bhayya, mine 100cc needs 0.6litre engine (transmission) oil. And if the oil level increases, it may indicate symptoms like overheating the engine.


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