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    Default Motorcycle Engine Oils

    Aslam Alikum, Immediately seeing the title you may have said this oh not again again one more thread
    for engine oil but guys please bear this one too purpose of creating this thread is to share the range
    of motorcycle engine oils available in market and for this i want your valuable co-operation as i would
    share engine oils & their pics which obviously will show the specification but i have access to only few oils
    which i have used or which are available in my city
    i can't access all engine oils so that is why i request all of you if you have used an engine oil or you have pics of
    bottle you should share here & share your review about that particular oil
    Your sharing matters alot as i alone can't collect all info about engine oils available in market

    As i just said in last line of first paragraph your co-operation is important in helping me out
    to collect info about engine oils available in market but also i need your help in Engine oils subject As i am not expert in Oils
    if we search on net this subject is too deep so want to know your info about these important terms in engine oils
    this thread will be useless if it does not have any details info about specification terms
    so kindly if you find some good info on net share here

    *API
    *JASO
    *Viscosity
    *SAE Viscosity Numbers 10w40,20w40,20w50 or SAE40
    *Single Grade & Multi Grade
    *Mineral & Synthetic/Semi synthetic
    Etc notify if there are some other important terms

    The Sole purpose of this thread is to collect info about engine oil available in market
    *Specifications/price & *Picture

    ^Sharing some basic info which i know as par my bike

    API in simple word an company which gives certificates of quality to engine oil
    so always look for this API label oil but some manufactures recommends JASO
    But most motorcycle manufactures in pakistan as the big one
    AHl recommends to use engine Oil with API SG,SF,SE or higher grade
    you should look your bike manual for the details about your bike

    Viscosity of oil is shown in the SAE numbers
    most oils nowadays available in market are multigrade
    first number which is followed by W (winter) shows the oil viscosity at low temp:
    lower this number thinner the oil be at lower temp:
    2nd number shows the viscosity of oil at high temp 100c: higher the number thicker the oil
    20w40 oil will remain less thick at 100c as compare to 20w50
    my bike manual says 20w40 is good all rounder for pakistani conditions
    but depending on the temp user can choose which oil suits engine more


    Now Lets Start Sharing Some Engine Oil Brand Which I Know Or Remember


    Shell

    AX3 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pic on post #3)
    AX5 15w40 1.0lt (Pic on post #234)

    Caltex


    Havoline 20w40 0.7lt (#1986)
    Havoline 20w50 1.0lt
    Castrol

    Go 20w40 0.7lt (Pics on #146)
    Active 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt ( Pics on #155)
    Gtx 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #357)

    Atlas Honda


    Atlas Engine Oils (Pics on #948, #1054)

    Yamaha Lube

    Yamalube 20w50 (#1727)


    Servo

    M2 30/40 0.7lt & 1.0lt
    M5 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pics on #14)

    Dyl Lube


    Dyl Lube 20w50 0.7lt & 0.8lt & 1.0lt (Pic on #4)

    Suzuki SGO Oil

    Suzuki Genuine Oil 10w40 (Pic on #106)

    Zic Lubricants -
    (Offers Online Purchase From Official Site)
    Zic M5 20w40
    Zic M7 10w40 (#1557)

    PSO Oil


    Pso Blaze 4t 20w50

    Total Lube

    Total HI-Perf 20w40 (#1233)
    Total Hi-Perf 10w40

    Master Lubricants

    Master Xtra 4t-MCO 20w40

    Imported Engine Oils


    Kixx (Korean)

    Kixx Ultra 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #154)
    Kixx Semi Synthetic 20w50 (#1406)

    Liqui Moly (Germany)


    Racing 4t 20w50 1.0lt (Pic on #11, 219. 302,
    )
    Racing Semi Synthetic 10w40 (#1244)

    Repsol Moto 4t 20w50 (#1270)

    Valvoline Champ 4t 20w50 (USA) (#1040)








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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    No Brother, I meant to say that the quantity is same not increased by 0.1L
    well thats interesting if quantity is same than why 0.7l & 0.8l

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    Gull bhai control yaar
    It's alright amjad bro, i found Kixx today. I saw it available in 0.7 litre pack also. While earlier it was available only in 1 litre and 0.8 litre packs. I guess they are getting good response on this oil that's why it is available in all quantities now.
    Though i have had good experience with Kixx, but will share detailed review of Kixx after few hundred km with this oil change also.

    Right now i have another oil to bash, review coming soon...

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    its really nice to know you found kixx warna shop walay ki kher nahein thi
    yes bro kindly do give review with pics once you have good idea of this oil
    this is one quality imported oil too i would like to know about this one too
    and i guess it costs quite less than liqui moly

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    It costed 400 rupee for litre pack. while 0.7 litre was for 290

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    its cheap imported oil in local oil price range

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    Default Suzuki Genuine Oil (SGO)

    API SG, SAE 10W-40, Mineral Based
    I was using Kixx as routine oil in my GS150, when Suzuki launched this "Genuine" oil for their bikes.
    Usually, i just stick to 20W-50 grade oil. But when i saw this oil, i thought what the hell, should give it a try. It's suzuki recommended after all. (It is supplied to Suzuki by Total)
    So got my bike's oil changed with this one.
    First thing i noticed that at High RPMs, bike doesn't feel as comfortable as earlier. It felt like bike starts crying at high RPMs and begs for low RPM.
    Except that it was working OK. Then after using this oil about 700Km, i started feeling vibrations in 5K-7K RPM range. In the rest of RPM range, it was smooth as before. Out of curiosity, i checked the oil condition and it was totally water.
    Got engine oil changed as soon as i got the chance, engine oil came out splashing like water. I made Suzuki mechanic notice this also, and he admitted that this 10W-40 just doesn't cut it in Pakistani environment.
    Below are the shots......
    It is currently priced at Rs 380/litre.

    Motorcycle Engine Oils -1253162

    Motorcycle Engine Oils -1253163

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    thank you for sharing pics of this Suzuki SGO Oil

    Damn that was terrible experience Gull bhai
    than why the hell suzuki is recommending this oil for their oil bikes


    Gull bhai ek baat to hai suuzki is ensuring genuine parts availability at their shop
    yaar performance of this oil is very bad but bro this oil does seems genuine
    what do you say bro? one can purchase this oil with confident from suzuki dealer that it is genuine
    case is totally is different with AHL oils

    what was the price of this oil bro?

    I think suzuki should introduce oil in these viscoscities 20w40 & 20w50 for their bikes
    10w40 simply does not work in pakistani environment as we already know about zic 10w40
    this behaved quite similiar to zic Gull bhai

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    I think people now got a reallife example of using thinner grade oils..Oil quality + grading both matter..The local oils are craps and refurbished 1s.FOr Kixx a relative of mine starting having valve problems after 30k on the odo on his 125,,he is a very calm driver and never misses regular tuneups and oil changes,,and the oil he used to pour in was kixx.

    It is always good to invest a little more to get premium stuff..Hell i eat daily milk fruits and nut bar of 110(3/4 times a week) so why not invest 150 rs more on a better,safe,premium quality oil.
    The one thing that unites all human beings, regardless of age, gender, religion, economic status, is that, deep down inside, we all believe that we are above-average drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    thank you for sharing pics of this Suzuki SGO Oil

    Damn that was terrible experience Gull bhai
    than why the hell suzuki is recommending this oil for their oil bikes


    Gull bhai ek baat to hai suuzki is ensuring genuine parts availability at their shop
    yaar performance of this oil is very bad but bro this oil does seems genuine
    what do you say bro? one can purchase this oil with confident from suzuki dealer that it is genuine
    case is totally is different with AHL oils

    what was the price of this oil bro?

    I think suzuki should introduce oil in these viscoscities 20w40 & 20w50 for their bikes
    10w40 simply does not work in pakistani environment as we already know about zic 10w40
    this behaved quite similiar to zic Gull bhai
    No idea why suzuki is recommending this crap for its bikes. My guess is that they have been selling this same oil in bigger packing for cars already. They just made small packs of one litre and introduced as bike's oil, without thinking that bike engine environment need something stronger.
    But yeah it looked genuine by packing. It was Rs 380 for one litre pack.



    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    I think people now got a reallife example of using thinner grade oils..Oil quality + grading both matter..The local oils are craps and refurbished 1s.FOr Kixx a relative of mine starting having valve problems after 30k on the odo on his 125,,he is a very calm driver and never misses regular tuneups and oil changes,,and the oil he used to pour in was kixx.

    It is always good to invest a little more to get premium stuff..Hell i eat daily milk fruits and nut bar of 110(3/4 times a week) so why not invest 150 rs more on a better,safe,premium quality oil.
    brother you are scaring me now. Are you blaming the oil in above case??/ could be simply due to lower quality of newer models???
    I have had good experience with Kixx, and it is the only oil i have seen maintaining its viscosity happily even after 1000Km usage, and have once used this oil for upto 2000Km also (guilty ). But still at 2000km, it was no where near like SGO was at 700Km.
    I had this same oil in my GS when i covered 800Km in a day. All in all, i don't have anything bad to say about this oil.


    I saw your complaint about knocking with Kixx. Today i engaged 5th gear at 40Km/h and tried to notice any unusual knocking but nothing. I never noticed knocking/bad clutch performance with this oil. Also according to the paper specs, this is the best i can find in BWP.
    Edit: Just noticed, it was Auto bro who was complaining abut the problems in above paragraph, not you.

    Edit 2: Found out Kixx doesn't paly well with the clutch. So no more recommended by me.

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    Gull Bhai With Your This Experience With SGO 10w40
    Yaar One Thing Proves That Oil Of This SAE Grade Simply
    Does Not Work In Our Environment At All As We Already
    Know What Zic 10w40 Does Quite Similiar Performance Of Both
    This Grade Oil May Work In Winter But Certainly Not In Paki Summer

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    No idea why suzuki is recommending this crap for its bikes. My guess is that they have been selling this same oil in bigger packing for cars already. They just made small packs of one litre and introduced as bike's oil, without thinking that bike engine environment need something stronger.
    But yeah it looked genuine by packing. It was Rs 380 for one litre pack.




    brother you are scaring me now. Are you blaming the oil in above case??/ could be simply due to lower quality of newer models???
    I have had good experience with Kixx, and it is the only oil i have seen maintaining its viscosity happily even after 1000Km usage, and have once used this oil for upto 2000Km also (guilty ). But still at 2000km, it was no where near like SGO was at 700Km.
    I had this same oil in my GS when i covered 800Km in a day. All in all, i don't have anything bad to say about this oil.
    I saw your complaint about knocking with Kixx. Today i engaged 5th gear at 40Km/h and tried to notice any unusual knocking but nothing. I never noticed knocking/bad clutch performance with this oil. Also according to the paper specs, this is the best i can find in BWP.
    Glad to know that ur satisfied with it! I also wasn't much impressed by kixx... The thing that I fear most is that kixx is like zic... zic does pull marketing I.e. They give the retailer great amount of profit so they automatically start recomending that product... The way kixx has also quickly found its way in the market even with soooo much competition + it's price makes the whole deal a bit fishy for me... Still it's just a theory.

    But do keep an eye on viscosity of ur kixx at 800km do check it if it's doing fine...

    I bdw did not purchase from an authorised dealer so maybe my kixx wasn't real? Or my bike was just not happy with its chemical composition? It's good if it is working for u! :-)

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    Just after purchasing liqui moly, I took my bike to the ex-yamaha star shop/ claim centre for getting it tuned perfectly from the expert staff there....

    I Travelled a good 15kms for reaching the service centre only but dang! Where did the service centre go!??? :-o

    Upon inquiry I came to know that it has been winded up and they are gone.... No service centre now! But luckily one of the shagirds were there... It was a relief!

    He told me that the company is almost going bankrupt! And people are backing up from DYL... The dealers and mechanics are pulling out their money! No charm in operating the ex-yamaha service centre now that's why ustad has winded up business...,

    Well he tuned my bike! And woo... Only these guys knew how to tune it! Perfect tuning...! Excellent idling at v.low rpm, perfect cold start, great power and top speed... I couldn't find any other better tuning person than these guys ever! But sadly due to huge traveling involved I get my Bike tuned mostly from near my home and its more like mistuning it... Lol.

    Also poured liqui moly in... And after tune as I said it's doing great. Oil review can't be given atm.., initial impression 10% improve in idling bike's sound, but 50-60km/hr range has some noise there, but may be its due to new tappets setting by the mechanic.

    Good thing that I also got a brand new front mud guard installed. This time it is genuine :-)
    Got it for 620Rs... Where as copy was available at 270 only... But genuine is way way better!

    Bike doing good in terms of performance... 70-80 kmhr it has a lot of power than before and I still have a lot to spare... I think I should give Ulysse spedo a re-try some day!

    One positive thing about oil is that at full throttle 80-90kmhr the bike's sound is much smoother! V.good with lower vibrations...! At max rpm in high speed, the bike didnt vibrate a lot or sound loud.,,, I was pleased at this!

    Still not liking the avg speed 50-60 rough patch... I think it's due to tappets setting and I gotta compromise at this since rest everything is going fine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Glad to know that ur satisfied with it! I also wasn't much impressed by kixx... The thing that I fear most is that kixx is like zic... zic does pull marketing I.e. They give the retailer great amount of profit so they automatically start recomending that product... The way kixx has also quickly found its way in the market even with soooo much competition + it's price makes the whole deal a bit fishy for me... Still it's just a theory.

    But do keep an eye on viscosity of ur kixx at 800km do check it if it's doing fine...

    I bdw did not purchase from an authorised dealer so maybe my kixx wasn't real? Or my bike was just not happy with its chemical composition? It's good if it is working for u! :-)

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    well yeah it's price similar to local oils, kinda worries me little too
    You know what happened today, i picked up Kixx bottle from the counter and asked shopkeeper about price. He said, 290 rupee. I was shocked and was about to put the bottle back and walk out of the shop right away, then shopkeeper said,"oh, yeh 0.7 litre nahi hai? , one litre pack 400 ka hai"

    Will keep an eye on viscosity. and yes i never bought from any authorised dealer.
    I usually try to find a shop who has biggest oil collection because only at that shop i can hope to find Kixx in my area. Small shops only have havoline/castrol GTX/Zic etc...

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    Well till now thinner grade hasn't been working out good for me. But still there is one more oil i am tempted to try out.
    Shell AX-5 15W-40. May be i will sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    He told me that the company is almost going bankrupt! And people are backing up from DYL... The dealers and mechanics are pulling out there money! No charm in operating the ex-yamaha service centre now
    I can confirm this.
    The guy at DYL Dealer ship who sold me Junoon, is now the incharge of the "Suzuki Bahawalpur Motorcycles" . This is the first Suzuki "bikes only" showroom in Bahawalpur opened just last year.
    When he met me after taking the charge of suzuki showroom, he was trying to convince me to sell out Junoon and buy a GS from them. Coincidentally, i was planning the get GS in very same days. But due to some reasons, i had to buy it from pindi, when he saw me with GS and came to know i didn't buy from him, he got angry.
    Now whenever i go to their showroom for bike tuning, he reminds me that i didn't buy it from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    Aslam Alikum, Immediately seeing the title you may have said this oh not again again one more thread
    for engine oil but guys please bear this one too purpose of creating this thread is to share the range
    of motorcycle engine oils available in market and for this i want your valuable co-operation as i would
    share engine oils & their pics which obviously will show the specification but i have access to only few oils
    which i have used or which are available in my city
    i can't access all engine oils so that is why i request all of you if you have used an engine oil or you have pics of
    bottle you should share here & share your review about that particular oil
    Your sharing matters alot as i alone can't collect all info about engine oils available in market

    As i just said in last line of first paragraph your co-operation is important in helping me out
    to collect info about engine oils available in market but also i need your help in Engine oils subject As i am not expert in Oils
    if we search on net this subject is too deep so want to know your info about these important terms in engine oils
    this thread will be useless if it does not have any details info about specification terms
    so kindly if you find some good info on net share here

    *API
    *JASO
    *Viscosity
    *SAE Viscosity Numbers 10w40,20w40,20w50 or SAE40
    *Single Grade & Multi Grade
    *Mineral & Synthetic/Semi synthetic
    Etc notify if there are some other important terms

    The Sole purpose of this thread is to collect info about engine oil available in market
    *Specifications/price & *Picture

    ^Sharing some basic info which i know as par my bike

    API in simple word an company which gives certificates of quality to engine oil
    so always look for this API label oil but some manufactures recommends JASO
    But most motorcycle manufactures in pakistan as the big one
    AHl recommends to use engine Oil with API SG,SF,SE or higher grade
    you should look your bike manual for the details about your bike

    Viscosity of oil is shown in the SAE numbers
    most oils nowadays available in market are multigrade
    first number which is followed by W (winter) shows the oil viscosity at low temp:
    lower this number thinner the oil be at lower temp:
    2nd number shows the viscosity of oil at high temp 100c: higher the number thicker the oil
    20w40 oil will remain less thick at 100c as compare to 20w50
    my bike manual says 20w40 is good all rounder for pakistani conditions
    but depending on the temp user can choose which oil suits engine more


    Now Lets Start Sharing Some Engine Oil Brand Which I Know Or Remember

    * Shell
    Ax3 20w50 0.7lt
    Ax3 20w50 1.0lt
    * Caltex

    Havoline 20w40 0.7lt
    Havoline 20w50 0.7lt
    * Castrol
    Go 20w40 0.7lt
    Active 20w50 0.7lt
    Gtx 20w50 1.0lt
    * Atlas Honda
    CD70 20w40 0.7lt
    CD100 20w40 0.75lt
    CG125 20w40 1.0lt
    CG125 20w50 1.0lt
    * Servo
    M2 30/40 0.7lt & 1.0lt
    M5 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt
    * Dyl Lube
    Dyl Lube 20w50 0.7lt & 0.8lt & 1.0lt
    * Suzuki Motorcycle Oil (SGO)
    Suzuki Genuine Oil 10w40

    Imported Engine Oils


    *Kixx (Korean)
    Kixx Ultra 20w50 1.0lt
    *Liqui Moly (Germany)
    Racing 4t 20w50 1.0lt





    What is the price of Kixx 1Litre and Liqui Moly 1 Litre in Karachi and is it easily available in Karachi (Is there any fake version of the subjected two? ) ?? Which one do you suggests for GS150 0 Metre ???

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    automotorsport_lover bro tuning could be reason of vibration at those speeds
    what about heating of engine? is engine sound smooth at low speed or its only smooth at high speed
    when engine gets more warm

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    automotorsport_lover bro tuning could be reason of vibration at those speeds
    what about heating of engine? is engine sound smooth at low speed or its only smooth at high speed
    when engine gets more warm
    Smooth at low and high speed, the mid range isn't that good... No excessive heat up noted
    @dmszack

    650 for liqui moly 1ltr and 400 for kixx, liqui moly is better for new gs150..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Bike doing good in terms of performance... 70-80 kmhr it has a lot of power than before and I still have a lot to spare... I think I should give Ulysse spedo a re-try some day!


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    Nice story

    btw, best free speed checking app for ios?
    My CG-125 shows 98 on meter, but app shows 94.1, and when meter is 102, it shows 98. So something fishy is going on, maybe the app is not right=?
    Turbo lag is like foreplay. You know it's coming. And it's gonna be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faiz.aslam.121 View Post
    Nice story

    btw, best free speed checking app for ios?
    My CG-125 shows 98 on meter, but app shows 94.1, and when meter is 102, it shows 98. So something fishy is going on, maybe the app is not right=?
    The meter is not right dude app is right! My bike Junoon clocked 88 on app while showing 98 I think on Speedo... Dnt remember really but meter showed more. Meter is mechanical dwcice with a standard error of 5-10kms... Sometimes gets even more

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