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    Default Motorcycle Engine Oils

    Aslam Alikum, Immediately seeing the title you may have said this oh not again again one more thread
    for engine oil but guys please bear this one too purpose of creating this thread is to share the range
    of motorcycle engine oils available in market and for this i want your valuable co-operation as i would
    share engine oils & their pics which obviously will show the specification but i have access to only few oils
    which i have used or which are available in my city
    i can't access all engine oils so that is why i request all of you if you have used an engine oil or you have pics of
    bottle you should share here & share your review about that particular oil
    Your sharing matters alot as i alone can't collect all info about engine oils available in market

    As i just said in last line of first paragraph your co-operation is important in helping me out
    to collect info about engine oils available in market but also i need your help in Engine oils subject As i am not expert in Oils
    if we search on net this subject is too deep so want to know your info about these important terms in engine oils
    this thread will be useless if it does not have any details info about specification terms
    so kindly if you find some good info on net share here

    *API
    *JASO
    *Viscosity
    *SAE Viscosity Numbers 10w40,20w40,20w50 or SAE40
    *Single Grade & Multi Grade
    *Mineral & Synthetic/Semi synthetic
    Etc notify if there are some other important terms

    The Sole purpose of this thread is to collect info about engine oil available in market
    *Specifications/price & *Picture

    ^Sharing some basic info which i know as par my bike

    API in simple word an company which gives certificates of quality to engine oil
    so always look for this API label oil but some manufactures recommends JASO
    But most motorcycle manufactures in pakistan as the big one
    AHl recommends to use engine Oil with API SG,SF,SE or higher grade
    you should look your bike manual for the details about your bike

    Viscosity of oil is shown in the SAE numbers
    most oils nowadays available in market are multigrade
    first number which is followed by W (winter) shows the oil viscosity at low temp:
    lower this number thinner the oil be at lower temp:
    2nd number shows the viscosity of oil at high temp 100c: higher the number thicker the oil
    20w40 oil will remain less thick at 100c as compare to 20w50
    my bike manual says 20w40 is good all rounder for pakistani conditions
    but depending on the temp user can choose which oil suits engine more


    Now Lets Start Sharing Some Engine Oil Brand Which I Know Or Remember


    Shell

    AX3 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pic on post #3)
    AX5 15w40 1.0lt (Pic on post #234)

    Caltex


    Havoline 20w40 0.7lt (#1986)
    Havoline 20w50 1.0lt
    Castrol

    Go 20w40 0.7lt (Pics on #146)
    Active 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt ( Pics on #155)
    Gtx 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #357)

    Atlas Honda


    Atlas Engine Oils (Pics on #948, #1054)

    Yamaha Lube

    Yamalube 20w50 (#1727)


    Servo

    M2 30/40 0.7lt & 1.0lt
    M5 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pics on #14)

    Dyl Lube


    Dyl Lube 20w50 0.7lt & 0.8lt & 1.0lt (Pic on #4)

    Suzuki SGO Oil

    Suzuki Genuine Oil 10w40 (Pic on #106)

    Zic Lubricants -
    (Offers Online Purchase From Official Site)
    Zic M5 20w40
    Zic M7 10w40 (#1557)

    PSO Oil


    Pso Blaze 4t 20w50

    Total Lube

    Total HI-Perf 20w40 (#1233)
    Total Hi-Perf 10w40

    Master Lubricants

    Master Xtra 4t-MCO 20w40

    Imported Engine Oils


    Kixx (Korean)

    Kixx Ultra 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #154)
    Kixx Semi Synthetic 20w50 (#1406)

    Liqui Moly (Germany)


    Racing 4t 20w50 1.0lt (Pic on #11, 219. 302,
    )
    Racing Semi Synthetic 10w40 (#1244)

    Repsol Moto 4t 20w50 (#1270)

    Valvoline Champ 4t 20w50 (USA) (#1040)








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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    @ALL

    Who think LM racing 4t is fit to be used 2000kms... No its not!

    1000-1200Kms in summers max.
    1200-1500Kms in winters max.

    The new packing is interesting... is the price same? I havnt visited Afzaal Tahir yet so cant say...

    The 10w-40 semi synthetic... us it jaso ma? Bcoz if its mos2 then its nt for our local bikes
    yea man, even if u get a costly synthetic u can only go 1500-2000 max. Its just our environment and old tech bikes. Best is to just get a good cheap oil and change it more often than to stretch change interval to 1500-2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    @dr.omair suggest and recomends volvoline bike oil as he has tested it and explained it reduces chances of over heating in summer or long rides and stays in form more then any other oil specially in GS.
    Yes i have also heard that valoline is a good oil but don't know where to get it from
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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    brother why do you feel oil is screaming for oil change however same
    time you saying bikes performance in gear shifts or clutch performance is very good
    Whenever oil starts deteriorating:
    - Engine Noise increases
    - Engine gets to its optimum heat quicker
    - Engine generates more heat in a long drive (like my daily distance is like 40kms)
    - Clutch performance reduces (notable because of that 'gap' increases in the clutch I.e. clutch liver loosens)

    I am saying it as 'Very Good' because in comparison to other oils, that's a surprising difference. Its not much, but it's noticeable.

    I am dragging this oil further, just to see how long it lasts.


    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    i would recommend don't judge liqui moly oil performance on its color as it turns into
    black quickly as compare to local engine oils
    I have never judged any oil with its color in my life.

    Oil is supposed to go dark colored. If it doesn't, then there is something wrong with the oil. There Is a reason why it becomes dark coloured.


    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    and thanks for sharing news on availability of LM 10w40 for bikes
    its good to have this oil its expensive but enthusiast would not care for that
    i think this engine would be good to use in modern heavy bikes too i feel
    this was imported on request of heavy bike users
    AHL/Honda recommends 20W-40. That oil is 10W-40 I.e. even better. It'll take less time for engine to reach optimum heat under this oil.

    I am planning to get this next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shafin619 View Post
    The cons i have found in this oil are it needs a warm up for 2-3 mins after starting the bike. Bike engines gets heat up alot after using it more than 1000 km. Rest performance wise the oil is very good.
    You are right. I remember vividly that it made my bike's engine produce more heat than usual, as compared to other oils and it was very noticeable.

    Plus, being 20W-50, it really takes much more time for engine to reach its optimum heat level. More time than the other oils i have used of the same grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    You are right. I remember vividly that it made my bike's engine produce more heat than usual, as compared to other oils and it was very noticeable.

    Plus, being 20W-50, it really takes much more time for engine to reach its optimum heat level. More time than the other oils i have used of the same grade.
    Yes engine do get a heat a lot and engine noise also increases. The warm up thing really annoys me because my running is very low i usually ride my bike 1 time in 2 or 3 days so i have to warm it up even in summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Who think LM racing 4t is fit to be used 2000kms... No its not!

    1000-1200Kms in summers max.
    1200-1500Kms in winters max.
    So now LM is also not suitable?
    I guess then Honda is pretty dumb mentioning 2000km interval in their manual and Suzuki even Dumber mentioning 2500km.

    And what's the point of getting LM over local oils then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    So now LM is also not suitable?
    I guess then Honda is pretty dumb mentioning 2000km interval in their manual and Suzuki even Dumber mentioning 2500km.

    And what's the point of getting LM over local oils then.
    Its ur choice... AHL says its stock oil can last 2000Kms... yes it can, just as a cd70 can do 85+ kmpl in a contest! Now can u beat that? If yes then go ahead n try using their oil for 2000kms...

    All the local oils are crap! More than crap! Any local oil iv used gets pathetic just after 500kms, plus engine heat problem is there...

    LM is far better in keeping engine cooler on long routes and providing better lubrication... its testimony is the better clutch response and reduced noise. But if ud think its a magical potion and it would last for long then no.. it wont last that long in real world conditions...

    If u always drive on a straight road on cool days.. and below 40kmph then yes it will last 2000+ but in real world any oil wont!

    I used havoline in my bike, and its sooooooooooo crap as compared to LM... engine is louder, clutch performance is poor. Engine behaves as a heated one within 5-7kms of a journey... and tappet noise is too much and painfully loud when I come home after spanking her hard for 35+ kms!

    Using LM means ur ride gets much better lubrication and over heats less often.. resulting in longer engine life....
    LM can be the difference btw engine dying at 35000kms or 70000kms...

    It all depends on the quality of the lube...

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    I have decided to go for liqui moly 20w-50 or 10w-40.i will buy it shortly from muslim town.too much excited to try it

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    gull bro waiting for your review on zic 20w40 semisynthetic.and how was 20w40 mineral?better than any other local oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    I used havoline in my bike, and its sooooooooooo crap as compared to LM... engine is louder, clutch performance is poor. Engine behaves as a heated one within 5-7kms of a journey... and tappet noise is too much and painfully loud when I come home after spanking her hard for 35+ kms!
    Havoline is crap oil anyways even when compared to local oils, so no comparison with LM.
    Since you have CG, i remember having good experience with Kixx 4T 20W-50 in Deluxe, and i did stretch it to 2000Km with no complains.

    Then tried to use it in GS but GS showed a big "Theenga" and refused to accept that thick oil as daily runner. So i played with 10W-40 and 20W-40 grades and found a good match for GS aka Zic 4T 20W-40. And since it's a 150CC, 5 Speed Transmission with Engine oil filter, I have stretched Zic to 2000Km as well.

    But i believe you are allergic to both these brands for some reason




    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone View Post
    gull bro waiting for your review on zic 20w40 semisynthetic.and how was 20w40 mineral?better than any other local oil?
    yup, Zic 4T 20W-40 mineral was better than all other local oils i have tried.

    20W-40 semi-synth felt thinner than mineral when i checked it on finger. And now while riding, i do feel tappets a bit louder than before.
    Too early to comment on its performance yet...

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    Got repsol moto 4t this time.
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    Oil:Liqui moly 20w50
    Mileage:5060km
    Cost:850rs
    Location:Zafcom lubricants
    (if anyone wants to buy oil first ask the rate list and then pay)

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    Amjad bhai i have run CALTEX DELO GOLD ULTRA without any issues for more than a month now :-) its not a motorcycle engine oil but maybe you could mention with a RED WARNING that its diesel engine oil :-)

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    I am going to usr liquimoly first time in my deluxe 8200 done 2012 model.
    Is there any difference in performance between 20w50 racing or new 20w50 street?



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    How is honda genuine oil? amjab bhai you have used it in your pridor so kindly write review on it, and which one was better honda oil or zic 20w40 mineral? zic 20w40 which you have used was mineral or semi synthetic?
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    Default Zic 4T Semi-Synthetic

    After using Zic 4T happily in my GS, i thought to try out the new Semi-Synth variant of Zic 4T.
    But experience wasn't good.
    Even though it felt thinner in hand but still warm up time increased. Tappets became louder and gear shifts weren't as smooth as before.
    After using it for one week, i shifted back to Zic 4T mineral and bike is back to its fine tuned feel.

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    Ammar Zahid i am only attaching or giving links of dedicated motorcycle engine oils available in market
    car oils do work but its not recommended at all even oil manufactures companies stating use proper oil
    for your machine brother i feel car oil should never be used in motorcycle so for prolong & healthy life
    of engine one should always use proper 4stroke motorcycle engine oil for bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Shafin619 View Post
    Got repsol moto 4t this time.


    Shafin brother is this imported engine oil & kindly share more details price & experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anyone View Post
    How is honda genuine oil? amjab bhai you have used it in your pridor so kindly write review on it, and which one was better honda oil or zic 20w40 mineral? zic 20w40 which you have used was mineral or semi synthetic?
    Brother atlas honda oil is very good engine oil it works very fine but between Zic & AHl
    definitely Zic 20w40 performed much better and it is no doubt better engine oil as compare to AHl
    infact Zic 20w40 is the best local engine oil in my view so far i had used Zic mineral oil in my pridor

    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    After using Zic 4T happily in my GS, i thought to try out the new Semi-Synth variant of Zic 4T.
    But experience wasn't good.
    Even though it felt thinner in hand but still warm up time increased. Tappets became louder and gear shifts weren't as smooth as before.
    After using it for one week, i shifted back to Zic 4T mineral and bike is back to its fine tuned feel.
    Gull bhai i had noticed this same thing when i had tried Zic semi synthetic oil in my bike
    bikes first ride was not smooth or light but after warm first ride bike was running very fine
    i did not feel any huge difference between two oils mineral & semi synthetic but this was definitely
    noticeable even though it was hot summer but still bike needed warm up while in mineral
    bike is kick start and first ride from start is smooth

    Gull bhai semi synthetic oil is also coming up in black bottle so do look at the bottle weather its mineral or semi synthetic
    currently zic 20w40 semi synthetic oil is in my bike which was in black bottle and its in my bike and bike had done 1700km
    i am planning to drain it on 2000km i am little surprised don't know why now oil has been performing exactly same like Zic mineral
    i am not noticing any warm up issue bike is smooth from first ride i am little confused with this why experience was different with
    silver bottle semi synthetic lets see its just few hundred km to drain oil than again will purchase semi synthetic either black bottle
    waala or silver lets see what experience now waise leaving this discussion mineral & synthetic i am very pleased with this local Zic
    oil performance 1700km done on oil & my honda CD70 has been performing very good with this oil



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    Agreed bro just sharing my experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post


    Shafin brother is this imported engine oil & kindly share more details price & experience?

    Yes bro its imported just like liqui moly. I bought it for 1000rs and overall i found this oil better than liqui moly it doesn't need to warm up like liqui moly and engine doesn't heat up as it used to do in liqui moly. These are the experiences of the first 100km.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    Gull bhai i had noticed this same thing when i had tried Zic semi synthetic oil in my bike
    bikes first ride was not smooth or light but after warm first ride bike was running very fine
    i did not feel any huge difference between two oils mineral & semi synthetic but this was definitely
    noticeable even though it was hot summer but still bike needed warm up while in mineral
    bike is kick start and first ride from start is smooth

    Gull bhai semi synthetic oil is also coming up in black bottle so do look at the bottle weather its mineral or semi synthetic
    currently zic 20w40 semi synthetic oil is in my bike which was in black bottle and its in my bike and bike had done 1700km
    i am planning to drain it on 2000km i am little surprised don't know why now oil has been performing exactly same like Zic mineral
    i am not noticing any warm up issue bike is smooth from first ride i am little confused with this why experience was different with
    silver bottle semi synthetic lets see its just few hundred km to drain oil than again will purchase semi synthetic either black bottle
    waala or silver lets see what experience now waise leaving this discussion mineral & synthetic i am very pleased with this local Zic
    oil performance 1700km done on oil & my honda CD70 has been performing very good with this oil
    Yup, that's a bit odd as semi-synthetics are supposed to have better flow even in cold condition and hence should have less warm up time than mineral.
    But Zic semi-synthetic was opposite of this.
    Zic 4T Mineral still remains my favourite.
    I haven't seen black bottle semi-synthetic yet. Here Mineral is available in black bottle and semi-synth in silver bottle.

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    I have been using that bottle of LiquiMoly 4T Racing i had purchased, and poured at 35811. Right now, my bike has clocked 36839. Thats 1028 Kilometers of running so far.

    I have mixed feeling with this oil.
    - On one side i am sad that the oil is really showing its age and screaming to be changed.
    - On the other 'mildly pleasant' side, the clutch performance at 1028 kilometers is very surprising, where it seems that i can drag the oil further till 1500 kilometers or more, if i wanted to.

    My original statement about LiquiMoly 4T Racing being an Over Rated would have been true, had i purchased the Kixx Ultra 4T i wanted to, but didn't. Instead, for whatever reason ... i opted to give this oil (LiquiMoly) "another" try, before giving out my judgment.

    For that reason, i have purchased ANOTHER LiquiMoly 4T, from the Same Shop at Muslim Town Morr, Lahore.
    UPDATE:

    I had poured my previous bottle of LiquiMoly 4T 20W-50 Racing at 35811. I have changed this oil @ 37082 reading on Odo meter. In total, my bike has covered 1272 kilometers of distance.

    At this point, i simply didn't want to take it any further because Engine scream was becoming too obvious (i did the right thing by changing the push rods to older model's, which are almost 3 times thick as compared to the current ones ... its also mentioned in my thread, here: https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-5#post4396649 ... Tappet noise at 1272KM was like ... non existent. I mean, there was noise, but it was ignoreable.)

    And that 'mildly pleasant' feeling was coming to and end, because Clutch also started to show the inevitable (cluth's "working" was decreased, but very slightly ... considering the distance covered i.e. 1272).

    The oil's color was ... lets just say it wasn't a pretty sight :p Best way to put it ... "IT was GAARA" . So basically i had raped the oil as much as i could.

    Second bottle of LiquiMoly 20W-50 Street is now poured. I'll post more.


    A Point to Think About:

    LiquiMoly:
    Costs = Rs.750 per Liter || My Distance Covered = 1272 kilometer
    The Per Kilometer Cost comes out at 0.589 Rupees.

    Kixx Ultra 4T: (which is also a bloody brilliant oil, btw)
    Costs = Rs.460 per Liter || Optimal Distance it can Cover (giving optimal performance) = 800 kilometer
    The Per Kilometer Cost will come out at 0.575 Rupees.

    Given the performance of LiquiMoly (especially in a CG125, where its raped to its max, and still manages to retain the best clutch performance ... I'd say the slightly extra cost Per Kilometer is worth it ... IF and ONLY IF ... you could stretch it to 1300 kilometers. Because @ 1000km (which would be the optimal changing point for any oil) ... the Per kilometer cost will be 0.75 Rupees, and that people ... is actually very high.

    I'll post more, once i get done with this oil as well.
    Riders on the storm ... literally.

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