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    Aslam Alikum, Immediately seeing the title you may have said this oh not again again one more thread
    for engine oil but guys please bear this one too purpose of creating this thread is to share the range
    of motorcycle engine oils available in market and for this i want your valuable co-operation as i would
    share engine oils & their pics which obviously will show the specification but i have access to only few oils
    which i have used or which are available in my city
    i can't access all engine oils so that is why i request all of you if you have used an engine oil or you have pics of
    bottle you should share here & share your review about that particular oil
    Your sharing matters alot as i alone can't collect all info about engine oils available in market

    As i just said in last line of first paragraph your co-operation is important in helping me out
    to collect info about engine oils available in market but also i need your help in Engine oils subject As i am not expert in Oils
    if we search on net this subject is too deep so want to know your info about these important terms in engine oils
    this thread will be useless if it does not have any details info about specification terms
    so kindly if you find some good info on net share here

    *API
    *JASO
    *Viscosity
    *SAE Viscosity Numbers 10w40,20w40,20w50 or SAE40
    *Single Grade & Multi Grade
    *Mineral & Synthetic/Semi synthetic
    Etc notify if there are some other important terms

    The Sole purpose of this thread is to collect info about engine oil available in market
    *Specifications/price & *Picture

    ^Sharing some basic info which i know as par my bike

    API in simple word an company which gives certificates of quality to engine oil
    so always look for this API label oil but some manufactures recommends JASO
    But most motorcycle manufactures in pakistan as the big one
    AHl recommends to use engine Oil with API SG,SF,SE or higher grade
    you should look your bike manual for the details about your bike

    Viscosity of oil is shown in the SAE numbers
    most oils nowadays available in market are multigrade
    first number which is followed by W (winter) shows the oil viscosity at low temp:
    lower this number thinner the oil be at lower temp:
    2nd number shows the viscosity of oil at high temp 100c: higher the number thicker the oil
    20w40 oil will remain less thick at 100c as compare to 20w50
    my bike manual says 20w40 is good all rounder for pakistani conditions
    but depending on the temp user can choose which oil suits engine more


    Now Lets Start Sharing Some Engine Oil Brand Which I Know Or Remember


    Shell

    AX3 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pic on post #3)
    AX5 15w40 1.0lt (Pic on post #234)

    Caltex


    Havoline 20w40 0.7lt (#1986)
    Havoline 20w50 1.0lt
    Castrol

    Go 20w40 0.7lt (Pics on #146)
    Active 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt ( Pics on #155)
    Gtx 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #357)

    Atlas Honda


    Atlas Engine Oils (Pics on #948, #1054)

    Yamaha Lube

    Yamalube 20w50 (#1727)


    Servo

    M2 30/40 0.7lt & 1.0lt
    M5 20w50 0.7lt & 1.0lt (Pics on #14)

    Dyl Lube


    Dyl Lube 20w50 0.7lt & 0.8lt & 1.0lt (Pic on #4)

    Suzuki SGO Oil

    Suzuki Genuine Oil 10w40 (Pic on #106)

    Zic Lubricants -
    (Offers Online Purchase From Official Site)
    Zic M5 20w40
    Zic M7 10w40 (#1557)

    PSO Oil


    Pso Blaze 4t 20w50

    Total Lube

    Total HI-Perf 20w40 (#1233)
    Total Hi-Perf 10w40

    Master Lubricants

    Master Xtra 4t-MCO 20w40

    Imported Engine Oils


    Kixx (Korean)

    Kixx Ultra 20w50 1.0lt (Pics on #154)
    Kixx Semi Synthetic 20w50 (#1406)

    Liqui Moly (Germany)


    Racing 4t 20w50 1.0lt (Pic on #11, 219. 302,
    )
    Racing Semi Synthetic 10w40 (#1244)

    Repsol Moto 4t 20w50 (#1270)

    Valvoline Champ 4t 20w50 (USA) (#1040)








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    Guys I m using liquimoly forumula super 20-50 in my Ravi 70 and the results r damm awesome using it when my bike clocked 1300km from the second oli change and I drain it after 1500-2000km pick of the bike is much better than caltax havoline fuel economy is 40-70 depending on driving style but now a days I m facing a problem that is bike takes around 2 minutes to warm up the engine as now a days the weather of Islamabad is v.cold but the bike never took this much time to warm up so why is so and current mileage of the bike is 8500km and its driven 1510km after the oli change.
    Plz help guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by altisdualvvti View Post
    Guys I m using liquimoly forumula super 20-50 in my Ravi 70 and the results r damm awesome using it when my bike clocked 1300km from the second oli change and I drain it after 1500-2000km pick of the bike is much better than caltax havoline fuel economy is 40-70 depending on driving style but now a days I m facing a problem that is bike takes around 2 minutes to warm up the engine as now a days the weather of Islamabad is v.cold but the bike never took this much time to warm up so why is so and current mileage of the bike is 8500km and its driven 1510km after the oli change.
    Plz help guys
    Good on you for using LM products. They are indeed superb.

    Engine warm-up does not literally mean idling engine till it feels warm to touch.

    The idling time before revving or riding a bike or driving away in a car is to ensure that the engine oil circulates to all parts of the engine, including head etc to ensure optimal lubrication and hence protection against direct metal to metal contact.

    This is also necessary as the first start in a day, it a cold start as commonly known, is the time when most engine wear and tear occurs.

    For further ease of understanding, a 5W oil takes about 8 seconds to run through the whole engine, a 10W oil will take approximately 28 secs , and a 20W oil will take about 56+ secs to lubricate the engine.

    From the above reasoning, allow at least a minute of idle b4 driving off on a 20W oil.

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    salam guyz.
    two days beforre i have changed oil in my new bike gd 110s.zic m7 10w 40
    vibration incresed???
    its in 740 km.1st time i changed oil at 220km than 700 km both time i am using zic 10w 40sj
    but this time i am using Sl grade with new packing off zic oil.
    any idea?
    thanks

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    amjad bhai please tell what i do?

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    Amjad bhai also tell.
    is their any need of tuning as bike in 760km total runnig?
    AS a free service from suzuki showroom? take an advantage?
    kahin tuning ak chakar ma kuch setting out na karden?
    guide me as any one know about that thank

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    Mike brother proper thread for your query regarding other GD problems or questions
    is this below thread i am sharing link most pw gd users visit this thread so they can guide
    you best on GD
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/whe...gd-110-fan-cub

    bro sudden increase in vibration is unexpected if some one switch like thick oil 20w50 to 10w40
    he does experience a bit noisy engine which is normal as with thin engine oil engine produce a
    bit more noise but this is not to worry about again if you don't like it you can switch to 20w40 oil

    For tuning your fear is 100% right but i share my experience i felt decent improvement in performance
    after i got my cd70 tuned at 1000km so i recommend you too to get your bikes tuned also but make sure
    go to good mechanic but as you own GD you don't have many options its best you go to suzuki mechanic
    who knowns about suzuki bikes other mechanics can ruin your bike or will play with it to learn about it
    i again recommend ask for help regarding good suzuki mechanic in your city in GD fan club thread or
    also in your GD's thread too members from your city may guide to good mechanic in your city

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    Quote Originally Posted by argus View Post
    Good on you for using LM products. They are indeed superb.

    Engine warm-up does not literally mean idling engine till it feels warm to touch.

    The idling time before revving or riding a bike or driving away in a car is to ensure that the engine oil circulates to all parts of the engine, including head etc to ensure optimal lubrication and hence protection against direct metal to metal contact.

    This is also necessary as the first start in a day, it a cold start as commonly known, is the time when most engine wear and tear occurs.

    For further ease of understanding, a 5W oil takes about 8 seconds to run through the whole engine, a 10W oil will take approximately 28 secs , and a 20W oil will take about 56+ secs to lubricate the engine.

    From the above reasoning, allow at least a minute of idle b4 driving off on a 20W oil.
    Bro thank u v.much of your detailed reply yes LM products r simply superb.About my query I know that the engine takes time when u start it first time in the morning.But suppose if I drive 10km or more and that park the bike for 2hours and then start it than it required an another 2 minute for complete warmup of engine why it is doing so even I tune my bike after 1500-2000km when I change the oli. @amjad635 @vicky tulla @gull-777
    Bhai tell me what it could be

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    Quote Originally Posted by altisdualvvti View Post
    Bro thank u v.much of your detailed reply yes LM products r simply superb.About my query I know that the engine takes time when u start it first time in the morning.But suppose if I drive 10km or more and that park the bike for 2hours and then start it than it required an another 2 minute for complete warmup of engine why it is doing so even I tune my bike after 1500-2000km when I change the oli. @amjad635 @vicky tulla @gull-777
    Bhai tell me what it could be
    20W-50 + Cold Weather = longer warm up required
    It's totally normal, and LM is kind of thickish than havoline that's why too.

    For less warm up time, only solution is to go thinner like 10W-40. But that will make engine a bit louder and in some cases even cause some vibrations in otherwise smooth ride, so be advised.
    20W-40 can be a good compromise in between.

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    as Gull bhai saying its only because of thick 20w50 engine oil
    change oil everything be fine you won't require long warm up time

    thick oils in cold weather is not good for engine oil as it puts stress on engine
    engine parts struggles to move freely with thick engine oil

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    As to altisdualvvti question, the need to warm up is definitely there on the first start of the day. U can shorten that time to at least half during the rest of the day.

    Agreed with above, except need to add to the part about switching to a 20W-40. It is still a 20W so starting and Warm up is the same. at 100'C, it will behave like a 40 weight oil, so yes, will be better than a 50 weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argus View Post
    Agreed with above, except need to add to the part about switching to a 20W-40. It is still a 20W so starting and Warm up is the same. at 100'C, it will behave like a 40 weight oil, so yes, will be better than a 50 weight.
    I also used to think so when i had just theoretical knowledge.
    But then i tested like 10 different brands with different viscosities and concluded otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    I also used to think so when i had just theoretical knowledge.
    But then i tested like 10 different brands with different viscosities and concluded otherwise.
    Care to elaborate? So I can add to my 'just theoretical knowledge'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikegd110s View Post
    salam guyz.
    two days beforre i have changed oil in my new bike gd 110s.zic m7 10w 40
    vibration incresed???
    its in 740 km.1st time i changed oil at 220km than 700 km both time i am using zic 10w 40sj
    but this time i am using Sl grade with new packing off zic oil.
    any idea?
    thanks
    Moreover, there are other variables at work in a bike during break in....like loosening of chain, tappets and other parts etc. That's what I have experienced in my PIAGGIO. so I had to avail my free device earlier than 1000(@ 670 km). The mechanic tightened the chain, cleaned plug, cleaned and lubricated the air filter etc. However, he didn't fixed/tightened the tappets. He said he would do that next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by argus View Post
    Care to elaborate? So I can add to my 'just theoretical knowledge'?
    I think i just did.
    20W-40 is easier to warm up than 20W-50 even though both have cold rating of 20W. Oils used were Zic 4T 20W-40, Kixx 4T 20W-50 and LM 4T 20W-50.

    And then there is 10W-40 vs 20W-40. Both have hot rating of 40 so they should behave same at full heat. But try them on long ride on a hot day and with 10W-40 you'll end up with loud engine and the feel that oil has gone watery. But 20W-40 will hold its own much better. Oils used were Total 4T 20W-40, Zic 4T 20W-40, Zic 4T 10W-40, SGO 10W-40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    Imported HDEO??
    Do share the price

    I guess i'll just stop chasing the grades and stick to the tried and tested. SJ was close, but SL is going a bit too modern for our bikes.

    So it'll be
    SGO SG 10W-40 for Winter
    and Total SG 20W-40 for rest of the year.
    agreed. but my experience with total is totally satisfactory in winter too, so have said good bye to SGO and all other oils for my GS

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    20W-50 + Cold Weather = longer warm up required
    It's totally normal, and LM is kind of thickish than havoline that's why too.

    For less warm up time, only solution is to go thinner like 10W-40. But that will make engine a bit louder and in some cases even cause some vibrations in otherwise smooth ride, so be advised.
    20W-40 can be a good compromise in between.
    Bhai as far as I know liquid moly doesn't have 20-40W oli for motor bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by amjad635 View Post
    as Gull bhai saying its only because of thick 20w50 engine oil
    change oil everything be fine you won't require long warm up time

    thick oils in cold weather is not good for engine oil as it puts stress on engine
    engine parts struggles to move freely with thick engine oil
    But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.

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    @argus @gull-777 @amjad635 thanks guys for answering my question as now i know that this is completely normal bahaveiour of my bike in cold weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altisdualvvti View Post
    But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.
    Liqui moly guys knows better about their products are are definitely much more expert than us
    but for pakistani conditions and our practical experience as member's like Gull bhai & me i can say
    viscosity grade 20w40 oil is all rounder in pakistani conditions it work very good in summer & winter too
    atlas honda also says & recommend to use 20w40 oil as its all rounder in pakistani conditions


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    @altisdualvvti, brother, it can be a all weather oil.

    But what will you do if the engine does not like it. Fresh engines especially from Suzuki we have GS, GD, Sprinter / Raider do not like thicker oils. It has been observed by many here and all are of the same opinion that these engines do not like thicker grade and 10W-40 grade is more suitable. Yeh aik baat hoi. Now if we talk about hot weather and older engines then 20W-50 is the most recommended here.


    Quote Originally Posted by altisdualvvti View Post
    But bahi I read at liquimoly site that the oli I m using formula super 20-50W is all weather oli what do u say about it.

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