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    Default Lets struggle to get quality motorcycle engine oils :)

    Yar fazool engine oils se ham sab tang han ye bat aap b jante ho or me b or kitne logo ko is se nuksaan hota ha ye b. Liqui moly racing 4t shayad pakistan me akela quality motorcycle oil ha magar sirf 20w 50 grade me available ha. Meri I-8 Islamabad office walo se bat hui thi wo kehte han k ham ne pehle full range of products rakhi par kyuk koi leta nai tha to ham ne order karna band kar dia.
    Me kehta hu k kisi din ham sab mil k waha chalte han or us se bat karte han k bhai saray motorcycle oils lana start kar do aap ki bari mehrbani jis zamanay me aap k sath scene hua tha wo gya ab to suzuki ne heavy bikes b launch kar diay han un me ham kaha desi oils dalte phiray. Itni high revving bikes to kuch hi time me farag ho jae gi. Not to mention hamari apni desi bikes par b ehsaan kare.
    Ya phr unko mails karo mil k saray is bat pe apne synthetic and semi syntheric motorcycle oils lana start karo
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    bhai usko force nahein kar sakte hai acha hota agar aur option hoti
    pakistan mein winter buhat hi thorhe din chalta hai baaqi toh garmi garmi hai
    hot condition mein 20w50 zyaada suit karta hai pakistani conditions ko
    agar aap sab bikers chale bhi jaaye uske pass tabh bhi us bande ke liye asaan nahein hai
    order karna woh aapko keh sakta hai mujhe advance payment kardein mein mangwaa ke deta hon
    aur es mein toh usko koi problem advance payment aur big order par usko koi problem nahien import karne mein
    racing 20w50 woh esliye import kar raha hai kiyonke sale ho raha hai aur kaye log satisfied hai
    hosakta hai pakistani conditions mein 10w40 se engine heat ho aur log yeh purchase hi na kare
    aur eski chances buhat hai kiyonke aapko toh pata hai zic 10w40 aur es grade ke oils pakistan conditions mein
    fail hochuki hai yeh garmi bilkul paani ban jaata hai

    10w40 par mein yeh ek option hai agar aap chahe toh use karsakte hai specially bike ke liye nahein hai par
    use kiya jasakta hai small engines mein
    Lets struggle to get quality motorcycle engine oils  -1261863

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    Yar aap zic 4t ki baat kar to re ho. zic 4t agar winter me b use karo to engine awaz karta ha wo oil hi bakwas ha. I've experimented with it. Bike warm up kar k dipstick nikal k oil check karo to wo pani ban gya hota ha it doesnt feel slippery at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haji__John View Post
    Yar aap zic 4t ki baat kar to re ho. zic 4t agar winter me b use karo to engine awaz karta ha wo oil hi bakwas ha. I've experimented with it. Bike warm up kar k dipstick nikal k oil check karo to wo pani ban gya hota ha it doesnt feel slippery at all.
    agree
    any 10W-40 makes engine loud compared to 20W-50. But Zic 4T is the king of all It feels more like 0W-30.

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    Lightbulb Why Care about Engine-oil Grades?

    Dear experts,

    Regardless of the weather - winters or summers, the operating temperature of an engine would be the same (this is what I think). So what is the whole fun in boggling our minds deciding upon which engine oil to use? I know that on a cold winter morning, engine oil would be viscous and it would take some "warm-up" time to become runny for smooth operation of engine, but once the engine oil is warmed up it does not depend on the climate anymore. So, are the engine oil grades (the W part of it) only important for engines in cold weather? But again, engine would become warmed up in a matter or 2 to 3 minutes; after warm up engine would be supplied with delicious , runny engine oil. Moreover, given that an engine's operating temperature stays the same, we can use a single-grade oil for all seasons.

    I think the only thing to look for in an engine oil is weather it is capable of handling the engine when it is at its peak operating temperature which is somewhere between 160 ?C to 315 ?C (source: Wikipedia: Motor Oil - 3rd paragraph under "Use" heading).

    I am confused. What is this all about? Please explain.
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    Yar baat aap ki such ha and I agree with you. I have a gs150 and it says in the manual to use a 10w 40 but the thing is there is no quality 10e 40 motorbike available in pakistan. There is zic 4t but its rubbish thats why I'm forced to use a 20w 50 oil.
    What you said above applies to liquid cooled engines which keep the temp in a certain range, for that kind of an engine climate doesnt matter much but in pakistan we have air cooled bikes for it to run good air must be passing through the engine's heat sinks at all times or it will heat up obviously and the temp of that air must be less than the engine for the heat to transfer from the engine to the air.
    Actually it all depends upon the engine manufacturers and they write in the manual which oil to use in which temp range. If you live in deserts you will obviously use 20w 50. So it depends on the design of the engine and how it runs its different for all engines.
    For example this is my gs150's oil chart.
    Lets struggle to get quality motorcycle engine oils  -1262267
    And this is my cd70's and you can see its a little different
    Lets struggle to get quality motorcycle engine oils  -1262268
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    Don't struggle, Buy 1 from the nearest petrol pump or motor cycle shop

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    Keep on dreaming buddy
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    Quote Originally Posted by TZB View Post
    Dear experts,

    Regardless of the weather - winters or summers, the operating temperature of an engine would be the same (this is what I think). So what is the whole fun in boggling our minds deciding upon which engine oil to use? I know that on a cold winter morning, engine oil would be viscous and it would take some "warm-up" time to become runny for smooth operation of engine, but once the engine oil is warmed up it does not depend on the climate anymore. So, are the engine oil grades (the W part of it) only important for engines in cold weather? But again, engine would become warmed up in a matter or 2 to 3 minutes; after warm up engine would be supplied with delicious , runny engine oil. Moreover, given that an engine's operating temperature stays the same, we can use a single-grade oil for all seasons.

    I think the only thing to look for in an engine oil is weather it is capable of handling the engine when it is at its peak operating temperature which is somewhere between 160 ?C to 315 ?C (source: Wikipedia: Motor Oil - 3rd paragraph under "Use" heading).

    I am confused. What is this all about? Please explain.
    i am not an expert at all nor in engine oils nor in motorcycles
    but i think you should understand one thing numbers does matters
    and viscosity does matters as you said in your last lines of your post
    only thing to look for an oil is to see weather it is capable of handling engine at high temp
    my brother it is obvious in hot pakistani conditions and conditions does matter
    atleast it matters in air cool bikes weather you have observed or not but atleast i have felt this thing
    engine runs more cool in winter obviously due to cool atmosphere all around and cool breeze
    so atmosphere conditions does matter and it is why engine oils are available in
    different viscosities if i agree to your theory than why these different grade oils are present in market
    phir toh bus ek hai grade ka oil hota sub engines ke liye

    so brother these viscosity numbers matters and by this you decide
    choose which oil would handle engine better at extreme conditions

    In pakistani conditions 10w40 won't be able to keep engine cool as an 20w50 oil would



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    Quote Originally Posted by TZB View Post
    Dear experts,

    Regardless of the weather - winters or summers, the operating temperature of an engine would be the same (this is what I think). So what is the whole fun in boggling our minds deciding upon which engine oil to use? I know that on a cold winter morning, engine oil would be viscous and it would take some "warm-up" time to become runny for smooth operation of engine, but once the engine oil is warmed up it does not depend on the climate anymore. So, are the engine oil grades (the W part of it) only important for engines in cold weather? But again, engine would become warmed up in a matter or 2 to 3 minutes; after warm up engine would be supplied with delicious , runny engine oil. Moreover, given that an engine's operating temperature stays the same, we can use a single-grade oil for all seasons.

    I think the only thing to look for in an engine oil is weather it is capable of handling the engine when it is at its peak operating temperature which is somewhere between 160 ?C to 315 ?C (source: Wikipedia: Motor Oil - 3rd paragraph under "Use" heading).

    I am confused. What is this all about? Please explain.
    Guys, I discussed this thing with my mechanic at Suzuki showroom while taking recommendations for engine oil. He said we use different grade oil in winters just for starting purpose. If the oil is too thick, the engine won't start nicely - it would take repetitive attempts before it comes to life on a cold morning. It is so because a thick oil would take time to warm-up and become runny to be able to circulate through the engine and provide lubrication where required. However, once the engine is all warmed up nicely, it pretty much operates at the same temperature round-the-year regardless of weather.

    Also, here's an excerpt from an article I found online (Link):
    The lower the 'winter' number (hence the 'W') (of an engine oil), the easier the engine will turn over when starting in cold climates.
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    lol @ suzuki ustaad... air cooled engine temperature always relies on surrounding atmosphere.... operating temperature of these engines is different in summer and winter.. that's why we need different multi grade oil.... suzuki recommended 10w40 is good until 25?.. which is rare in a typical day of summer season... u can use it in summer nights though

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    Quote Originally Posted by getscorpion View Post
    lol @ suzuki ustaad... air cooled engine temperature always relies on surrounding atmosphere.... operating temperature of these engines is different in summer and winter.. that's why we need different multi grade oil.... suzuki recommended 10w40 is good until 25?.. which is rare in a typical day of summer season... u can use it in summer nights though

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    I don't have much information about the engine oil grades but in the chart that you posted, 20w50 is showing 30. means it is only good till 30? isn't the temperature much more than that in summers in Karachi?
    people need to grow up sometimes and act MATURE !

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    I have been using Zic 4t but my CD70 started making weird noises and now the clutch of bike is like i dont have any clutch.Its moving freely and i can get my bike in gear even without using clutch so what to do now.Zic 4t is the worst oil i have ever used.
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    Good quality engine oill already available in Market like Liquimoly etc etc. But we dont want to spend heavily on oils. For a daily use bike engine oil is of least concern.

    Apart from some enthusiasts on this forum no one even cares about quality of engine oil. Its been two years i regularly change me oil on 1000km no matter summer and winter. I once used liquimoly on way to islamabad from Lahore.. Best oil it reduces engine noise.

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    Dear Brothers try Shell AX5 15W40 API SL Jaso ma im using in my new gs 150 Lets struggle to get quality motorcycle engine oils  -1276805

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