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    Asalamualikum Dear Pakwheel brothers, I have been through many forums of PW, especially bikes...I know the major bikes in Pak are CG 125, CD70 , GS150, SPRINTER,GD110 , PRIDOR, RAIDER, MANY MORE, the question which arises is that the world has moved on to another level of biking , Even India is creating amazing and i mean amazing bikes , whereas we Pakistani's are far far behind ...
    We buy brand new 125 or Gs 150 and become happy?
    Why is this guys these bikes are of 1980's designs they have got old features none have disc brakes , fuelgauge , modern shapes...
    SUZUKI GD110 WAS LAUNCHED BUT WHICH FEAUTURES DOES IT EVEN HAS?NO MODERN TECH....

    Why is our economy declining?

    Why is India succeeding??

    Why is this happening to us????

    Who is to be blamed??? Is IT Because of us ???
    Do we deserve it or not ??
    First I'll see the responses and then i'll share my view....
    I'll be awaiting for a good and educated response from fellow brothers,
    Thanks Regards.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_arooq2 View Post
    duty of 35-50% is fair, agr pak ma itni hi achi retro bikes produce ho rhi hn then export them and import us some italian ones or at least produce some better retro bikes like cd200 roadmaster. the purpose of this thread is not to stop the production of current bikes but to get more variety at fair prices, atlas cd70 and cg125 are atleast 20k more expensive. we should be getting a 250cc normal bike(not the sports category one) under 2 lac.
    Bilkul fair hai duty........ bhai agar apni country ki mainstream bikes se hatt ker apni pasand ki bike chalani hai tow duty tow dena paray gee........ you live in a 3rd world country........ humari exports kam hai aur imports pehlay hee ziada hain (trade deficit)......... agar import kerni hai duty tow deni paray gee. Shukar kero ban nahi hai imports.

    Its not like ke market mein monopoly hai......... itnay bike manufacturers aur assemblers hain Pakistan mein ke shayad hee koi banda ho jo saaro ke naam bata sakay.

    Jab Chinese bikes ana shoro huwee thi market mein tow 150cc choppers style bikes ayee thiii........ flop ho gayeee........ agar loog lete tow higher cc engine ki bikes bhi ati........ bhai fact is fact boltay sab hain 200k mein 250cc ayegi tow khareed loonga........ leta weta koi nahi.

    Assemblers experiment ker kay dekh chukay hain...... anything different which came to this market failed badly. For a small niche you cant expect manufacturers setting up assembly lines to sell 100 units a year.... its not commercially viable.

    India ki population zaida hai...... per capital income bhi hum se zaida hai........ wahan per KTM jaisi bikes ka plant lagna commercially viable hai. Yahan nahi hai.

    Seedhi see baat hai....... apni pasand ki bike chahiye........ import kerlo khud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Bhai jaan yahan ka common man Bike leta hai bcoz its cheap to buy
    bro you think a cd 70 with a price of 68k is cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    bro you think a cd 70 with a price of 68k is cheap
    For brand consicious people it is good value for money........ isi liye tow bick rahi hai....... jinko mehengi lagti hai woh Chonda lete hain
    Brand ke liye paisay tow oper dainay pertay hain na. Aesa thori hai ke honda ke ilawa koi option nahi hai.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Bilkul fair hai duty........ bhai agar apni country ki mainstream bikes se hatt ker apni pasand ki bike chalani hai tow duty tow dena paray gee........ you live in a 3rd world country........ humari exports kam hai aur imports pehlay hee ziada hain (trade deficit)......... agar import kerni hai duty tow deni paray gee. Shukar kero ban nahi hai imports.

    Its not like ke market mein monopoly hai......... itnay bike manufacturers aur assemblers hain Pakistan mein ke shayad hee koi banda ho jo saaro ke naam bata sakay.

    Jab Chinese bikes ana shoro huwee thi market mein tow 150cc choppers style bikes ayee thiii........ flop ho gayeee........ agar loog lete tow higher cc engine ki bikes bhi ati........ bhai fact is fact boltay sab hain 200k mein 250cc ayegi tow khareed loonga........ leta weta koi nahi.

    Assemblers experiment ker kay dekh chukay hain...... anything different which came to this market failed badly. For a small niche you cant expect manufacturers setting up assembly lines to sell 100 units a year.... its not commercially viable.

    India ki population zaida hai...... per capital income bhi hum se zaida hai........ wahan per KTM jaisi bikes ka plant lagna commercially viable hai. Yahan nahi hai.

    Seedhi see baat hai....... apni pasand ki bike chahiye........ import kerlo khud.
    i was talking about a better bike by some mainstream company, with spares, warranty, mechanical and technical support. ya sb cheezen suzuki ny di hn and they have sold many busa's, more than they expected, gd110 although not in karachi but its sale is equal to suzuki raider/sprinter in lahore and sialkot as i have seen and u are talking about economy of Pakistan, brother pakistan is an agricultural country, its economy basically relies upon crops. but Pakistan is failing in that too, reason being our methods aren't advanced enough to sustain the pressure of increasing demand of produce per acre. we need to shift our reliance towards industry in order to stabilize our economy. and talking about c/d and taxing structure, it benefits the elite class of our country. common man in this country pays a bigger share of his income to government than a wealthy person, while it should be the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_arooq2 View Post
    i was talking about a better bike by some mainstream company, with spares, warranty, mechanical and technical support. ya sb cheezen suzuki ny di hn and they have sold many busa's, more than they expected, gd110 although not in karachi but its sale is equal to suzuki raider/sprinter in lahore and sialkot as i have seen and u are talking about economy of Pakistan, brother pakistan is an agricultural country, its economy basically relies upon crops. but Pakistan is failing in that too, reason being our methods aren't advanced enough to sustain the pressure of increasing demand of produce per acre. we need to shift our reliance towards industry in order to stabilize our economy. and talking about c/d and taxing structure, it benefits the elite class of our country. common man in this country pays a bigger share of his income to government than a wealthy person, while it should be the other way around.
    Firstly 110cc bike khi mein ya if im not wrong puray sindh mein kam bickti hain. 110cc class has always been targeted towards punjab. GD110 is a damn good product yet sales utni achi nahi hain jitni honi chahiye...... I personally think its better than GS150 ( I know im getting in a lot of trouble claiming this )

    GD110 has far superior product quality than raider...... shoro may achi hoti har model ki quality...... jab purana hojata hai model tow company quality reduce kerti hai....suzuki practice..... they have done that before and sit tight they will do it again. Phir dekhtay hain kitni GD sale hoti hai...... GS ha hashar dekh liya naa

    Bhai its a dream come true for all of us to have modern bikes in Pakistan......... thing is they have to be commercially viable. Agar masses accept kerlay tow yahan bhi achi bike ayegi ....... magar masses accept kerti kahan hai.

    GS ko mechanics ne fail ker diya..... they say its a difficult bike to work with...... lakeer ke fakeer hain. Ab ek normal banda jab bike khareedta hai tow woh yeh sari cheezien consider kerta hai....... specially what the mechanic has to say about it.

    Thing is car industry of pakistan is a bit more evolved than the bike industry. Jab say imports ana shoro hoyee hain mechanic kaam kernay lagay hain ab....... werna shoro mein har cheez replace hee hoti thi in cars ki.

    Jaisay car imports se car mechanics groom hoye hain bilkul waisay hee bike mechanics bhi groom ho saktay hain given that substantial amount these bikes are imported in Pakistan.........

    Abhi vote kerwa loo..... Pakwheelers tayaar hain import kernay ko bikes.......... jab qeemat dekhain ge na import ki tow 90% PWR back foot per chalay gaye ge (including me)

    Shock subko hai modern bike chalanay ka......... dum kuch mein hee hai tow actually do it. BUSA lene walo mein dum hai..... elite class hai bhai...... isi liye tow expectation se zaida sale hai busa ki.

    250cc category ki koi bhi modern japanese bike uthalo....... meine check nahi kiya but im sure prices will start north of $3000...... maybe $4000 ........ do the math........ yahan Pakistan mein jab assemble bhi hogi tw bhi prices without duty 3,000 dollars say kam nahi hogi.

    Loo ge aap 3 lac ki bike mein tow kabhi nahi loonga........used 400cc ya 600cc sports bike mil jati hai is keemat mein yahan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Firstly 110cc bike khi mein ya if im not wrong puray sindh mein kam bickti hain. 110cc class has always been targeted towards punjab. GD110 is a damn good product yet sales utni achi nahi hain jitni honi chahiye...... I personally think its better than GS150 ( I know im getting in a lot of trouble claiming this )

    GD110 has far superior product quality than raider...... shoro may achi hoti har model ki quality...... jab purana hojata hai model tow company quality reduce kerti hai....suzuki practice..... they have done that before and sit tight they will do it again. Phir dekhtay hain kitni GD sale hoti hai...... GS ha hashar dekh liya naa

    Bhai its a dream come true for all of us to have modern bikes in Pakistan......... thing is they have to be commercially viable. Agar masses accept kerlay tow yahan bhi achi bike ayegi ....... magar masses accept kerti kahan hai.

    GS ko mechanics ne fail ker diya..... they say its a difficult bike to work with...... lakeer ke fakeer hain. Ab ek normal banda jab bike khareedta hai tow woh yeh sari cheezien consider kerta hai....... specially what the mechanic has to say about it.

    Thing is car industry of pakistan is a bit more evolved than the bike industry. Jab say imports ana shoro hoyee hain mechanic kaam kernay lagay hain ab....... werna shoro mein har cheez replace hee hoti thi in cars ki.

    Jaisay car imports se car mechanics groom hoye hain bilkul waisay hee bike mechanics bhi groom ho saktay hain given that substantial amount these bikes are imported in Pakistan.........

    Abhi vote kerwa loo..... Pakwheelers tayaar hain import kernay ko bikes.......... jab qeemat dekhain ge na import ki tow 90% PWR back foot per chalay gaye ge (including me)

    Shock subko hai modern bike chalanay ka......... dum kuch mein hee hai tow actually do it. BUSA lene walo mein dum hai..... elite class hai bhai...... isi liye tow expectation se zaida sale hai busa ki.

    250cc category ki koi bhi modern japanese bike uthalo....... meine check nahi kiya but im sure prices will start north of $3000...... maybe $4000 ........ do the math........ yahan Pakistan mein jab assemble bhi hogi tw bhi prices without duty 3,000 dollars say kam nahi hogi.

    Loo ge aap 3 lac ki bike mein tow kabhi nahi loonga........used 400cc ya 600cc sports bike mil jati hai is keemat mein yahan.
    Wo kehtay hain na kay shook ka koi moool ni jinko shok hota haina wo bike khareedtay hain price ka rona ni rotay. And to all who are saying that india mai bikes cheap hain compared to pakistan pehlay dono countries ki economical conditions dekho phir baat karna.
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    bikerboyhot Just relax Its Pakistan nothing will happen and here motorcycle industry is worst in world
    so don't give tension to yourself dreaming of latest modern bikers here in affordable price
    it will be huge huge big revolution if we managed to get Honda OHC 125 & 150cc Engine here in next 10 or 20 year
    baaqi else forget about sport biker CBR's R1's etc here

    India is no doubt heaven for bikers amazing range of bikes in very reasonable price


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    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Firstly 110cc bike khi mein ya if im not wrong puray sindh mein kam bickti hain. 110cc class has always been targeted towards punjab. GD110 is a damn good product yet sales utni achi nahi hain jitni honi chahiye...... I personally think its better than GS150 ( I know im getting in a lot of trouble claiming this )

    GD110 has far superior product quality than raider...... shoro may achi hoti har model ki quality...... jab purana hojata hai model tow company quality reduce kerti hai....suzuki practice..... they have done that before and sit tight they will do it again. Phir dekhtay hain kitni GD sale hoti hai...... GS ha hashar dekh liya naa

    Bhai its a dream come true for all of us to have modern bikes in Pakistan......... thing is they have to be commercially viable. Agar masses accept kerlay tow yahan bhi achi bike ayegi ....... magar masses accept kerti kahan hai.

    GS ko mechanics ne fail ker diya..... they say its a difficult bike to work with...... lakeer ke fakeer hain. Ab ek normal banda jab bike khareedta hai tow woh yeh sari cheezien consider kerta hai....... specially what the mechanic has to say about it.

    Thing is car industry of pakistan is a bit more evolved than the bike industry. Jab say imports ana shoro hoyee hain mechanic kaam kernay lagay hain ab....... werna shoro mein har cheez replace hee hoti thi in cars ki.

    Jaisay car imports se car mechanics groom hoye hain bilkul waisay hee bike mechanics bhi groom ho saktay hain given that substantial amount these bikes are imported in Pakistan.........

    Abhi vote kerwa loo..... Pakwheelers tayaar hain import kernay ko bikes.......... jab qeemat dekhain ge na import ki tow 90% PWR back foot per chalay gaye ge (including me)

    Shock subko hai modern bike chalanay ka......... dum kuch mein hee hai tow actually do it. BUSA lene walo mein dum hai..... elite class hai bhai...... isi liye tow expectation se zaida sale hai busa ki.

    250cc category ki koi bhi modern japanese bike uthalo....... meine check nahi kiya but im sure prices will start north of $3000...... maybe $4000 ........ do the math........ yahan Pakistan mein jab assemble bhi hogi tw bhi prices without duty 3,000 dollars say kam nahi hogi.

    Loo ge aap 3 lac ki bike mein tow kabhi nahi loonga........used 400cc ya 600cc sports bike mil jati hai is keemat mein yahan.
    but still, our bikes must evolve, honda japan modernized cg125 every year, but we are still stuck with the same more than 30 year old bike. we need tough, naked bikes not the plastic, sporty ones. i'm not demanding any company to start giving their international flagship model in every category, just the one that can survive pakistan, like the small low price category bikes that are used in china, malaysia, thailand, india, Singapore etc. and i'm willing to buy a 250cc bike for 300k if it is the rough and tough kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_arooq2 View Post
    but still, our bikes must evolve, honda japan modernized cg125 every year, but we are still stuck with the same more than 30 year old bike. we need tough, naked bikes not the plastic, sporty ones. i'm not demanding any company to start giving their international flagship model in every category, just the one that can survive pakistan, like the small low price category bikes that are used in china, malaysia, thailand, india, Singapore etc. and i'm willing to buy a 250cc bike for 300k if it is the rough and tough kind.
    You are one tough nut to crack dude

    A bike that can survive Pakistan:
    Let me tell a little bit about CG series of Honda. The original Honda naked bikes were the CB series........ they had OHC engines back in the 1980's however when Honda officially launched a naked bike in Pakistan it came under the brand of CG and CD series. These models differ a bit but the main difference was that of the engine...... these CG and CD series bikes came with an OHV engines. Its an older technology than OHC but they are more robust and easier to maintain. Honda did a bit of research on 3rd world countries and found out motorcyclist here dont buy bikes for the wind in the hair experience.....when they buy bikes....they buy work horses. They found out that we do not maintain and service are bike and always tend to over due the change of engine oil. Based on these factors they prudently decided to launch OHV engines here........ Im not making it up...... you can google it yourself...... Unfortunately things havent changed much in the last couple of decades....... we still buy a work horse with 2 wheels. So dude a bike which can survive Pakistan ...... is already here....... look at yamaha yb100....... doodh walo ki favourite bike hai abhi ( a very good example of a work horse)..... same goes for Honda 50 (loader bike)...... both of them can handle a lot of weight....... look at cd70..... its economical commuter for the masses........ the cg125 is a poor man's fireblade ........there were few 2 strokers which gained popularity with the enthusiast.... yes im talking about our GTOs and RXs.

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    Everybody wants to own a co0l bike..... yet buying power is what gets in the way.......... I think the max an average guy can spend to buy a cool cool bike is maybe 150k. .... aap lay saktay ho 3 lac ki bike...... har kisi ki itni sakh nahi hoti. What Im saying is China has done wonders for our motorcycle industry 15 years back and I think only it can do it again. We honestly cant afford the real deal. A rip off KTM duke, or a clone bajaj pulsar 200NS is what we can buy. A chinese copy of these with 250cc DOHC 4 valve liquid cooled engines with 6 speed gearbox and 150mm wide tyres will cost you arround 175k...... which includes the duty and a healthy profit for the importer/investor. If you choose a smaller engine like a 150cc air cooled unit you can get it here for no more than 125k.

    Get hold of 25 people who want the same bike in Pakistan and you can import these bikes in kit forms and assemble them yourselves.... this can save you a lot on custom duty. The key is to import the same kind of bike in bulk and form a club. This club can help its members in troubleshooting and stuff.

    I have worked in the chinese export market for 3 years.... aesay hee hawa mein baatien nahi ker raha...... you can go search online for these kind of chinese bikes and you will find many suppliers from china willing to manufacture bikes as per your requirement if you can order large quantities..... in smaller quantities you have to choose from their existing product range....which is not that bad.

    Government wont do anything for you....... these large manufacturers in Pakistan will not do anything for you....... aap se koi dushmani nahi hai unki...... you are not just as important...bcoz you are low in number..... you are a niche.....and mass producers dont usually cater to niche demand. Help yourself..... find 25 people like yourself and import an FCL..... in (1 FCL you get 26 bikes).
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    Its all economics from India's point of view.

    The reason why Indian Bike Scene is rocking (both made in India models to imported models) is because of the economic prosperity that has taken place in the last 2 decades.

    Since the purchasing power of people has risen, the Demand has ensured that there is a Supply too.

    With domestic companies like Bajaj, Hero and TVS India makes the most exciting 100-400 cc bikes apart from the Japanese brands in the world!!


    For example this is the to be launched Pulsar CS400 from Bajaj Auto
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    the one fact I found a farce in the above paragraphs was.

    1 - since new import cars came to the market - the mechanics got groomed, Did they pay for getting manufacturer training? Car repair in Pakistan is still "hathora" style and used parts
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    The typical reason why we are seeing these 60's/70's bikes still being made in Pakistan, is because this is the cheapest commuting vehicle ever sold. And most of poor public of Pakistan like domestic servants can afford.

    Not everyone can afford a car or heavy bikes. Which is why I see no need of modern tech in bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    the one fact I found a farce in the above paragraphs was.

    1 - since new import cars came to the market - the mechanics got groomed, Did they pay for getting manufacturer training? Car repair in Pakistan is still "hathora" style and used parts

    There is a very common saying..... necessity is the mother of invention.
    In Pakistan there are 2 significant kind of specialists who work on cars...... Mechanics.....and electricians.
    Mechanics waheen k waheen hain but the role of electricians is getting bigger with these imports.
    They have a long way to go but atleast they can now troubleshoot problems and fix it....
    When these imports first showed up on the workshops.... the electricians had no idea. A friend of mine Mini Pajero stayed in the garage for 6 months bcoz no one know whats wrong with it. Atleast this doesnt happen anymore.
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    Do you 'REALLY' think we need motorcycles exceeding 50BHP (talking about 150BHP+ bikes!) on these CRAZY roads where no one and ABSOLUTELY no one (including me!!!) cares about traffic laws...? Where Rickshaw drivers make a 360 degree turn out of nowhere? Where donkey carts cruises the right hand lane with pride? I DON'T THINK SO!
    Stick with your Chonda like 99% of Pakistanis!
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    Nahh Pakistan can suck on these bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post

    There is a very common saying..... necessity is the mother of invention.
    In Pakistan there are 2 significant kind of specialists who work on cars...... Mechanics.....and electricians.
    Mechanics waheen k waheen hain but the role of electricians is getting bigger with these imports.
    They have a long way to go but atleast they can now troubleshoot problems and fix it....
    When these imports first showed up on the workshops.... the electricians had no idea. A friend of mine Mini Pajero stayed in the garage for 6 months bcoz no one know whats wrong with it. Atleast this doesnt happen anymore.

    The notion of necessity is mother of inventions does not work in your example, EFI and such came to existance in the 1990s and there were people around in Karachi who actually were trained to resolve such problems - the wall here was the stupid owners of the vehicles who want everything for free. For them their car should be repairable under Rs 100/- for all issues.

    these so called "lektrishanns" are doing nothing much that sticking a scan tool, reading the code and then googling the solution. It takes more than that.

    e.g. when a toyota burps out a code for "fuel pump circuit malfunction" I used to get a lot of cars whose fuel tanks were removed and the "lektrishann" would try to test the wiring and pump pressure with their fingers like they are watering their garden. The actual fault happens in the MAF sensor - where the fuel pump control circuit is. I paid money to get such information - car owners in Pakistan did not want to pay for my service because they thought my charges were unrealistic.

    The reason the mini pajero is not waiting for such a long repair time is because the mechanics are simply swapping any and everything from the junkyard to make it roll on its wheels - who cares about correct results as long as it runs on CNG.

    There was a school in Karachi teaching EFI repairs but it was a generic overview of very basic analog linear sensors - that is about as useful as windows XP today.
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