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    1. The Complete Story of Changing Rims on my CG125 for Perfect Alignment: @ Page 5 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...on#post4359405

    and

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-5#post4403891


    2. Engine Push Rods Changed to OLD CG125 Model, Japenese: @ Page 5 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-5#post4396649


    3. The Raam Kattha of Adjusting Alignment of CG125: @ Page 7 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-7#post4449978


    4. Locks Kit Purchased at 8th July, Now Fitted:@ Page 8, Post #159 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-8#post4464533

    5. Cylinder Head Seal Changed at 8th September 2014 to solve Tappet Cover Leak @ Page 8, Post#149 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-8#post4521260


    6. Panther Pacer Rear 3.00-17 Changed at 30th December 2014; Old Panther Power was faulty with misalignment @ Page 8, Post#156 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-8#post4650399


    7. Feeler Gauge & Valve Adjuster Bought from HYS, Brandreth Road; Page 9, Post#165 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...-9#post4666830


    8. Engine Works Done @ 39920; Page 10, Post#200 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...10#post4730453 w/ Pictures in Post#202 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...11#post4730459 ... and Post#203 -- https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...11#post4730462


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    Engine Oil Experiences

    Kixx Ultra 4T (2nd Bottle) - Odo Reading 34800 to 35811: https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...56#post4340438

    Liqui Moly 4T (1st Bottle) - Odo Reading 35811 to 37082: https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...56#post4340438
    ++ Also listed my (initial) reservations about LiquiMoly ++ : https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...63#post4507036

    Liqui Moly 4T (2nd Bottle) - Odo Reading 37082 to 38322: https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...76#post4640291

    Back to Kixx Ultra 4T - @ Odo Reading 38322 to 39149: https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/bik...76#post4640291

    Kixx Ultra 4T - @ Odo Reading 39149 to 39920 (Engine Work was coming up, so again got Kixx Ultra)

    Havoline - @ Odo Reading 39920 to [ongoing] (Engine Work was coming up, so again got Kixx Ultra)

    *A Test to find difference between expensive Liqui Moly vs. Cheaper Kixx Ultra*


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    CG125 Workshop Manual - Courtesy of our dear @r1
    Preview (Download for High Quality version): https://app.box.com/s/gl4rrv11kr3wd38xb0ph


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    nahi nahi bluffing.. dono screws hotay hain, itna tu men 100% sure hon becuase I did many pangas in @han1911 's Deluxe which was a euroII bike...

    Quote Originally Posted by r1 View Post
    In Euro-2 carburetor there is no Fuel and RPM adjustment screw as per my mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r1 View Post
    RPM Adjustment Screw
    Aftermarket Rims for CG125  Araya vs Union -1422986

    Not present in E-2
    Aftermarket Rims for CG125  Araya vs Union -1422987
    I think in Euro-II it is on the bottom side of Carburetor.

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    R1 its present only its shape is different old model men hath say bhi ghom jata tha is men mera screw driver k bina nahi ghomta ... its flat.. istran isko chori kerna bhi mushkil ker diya hai unhon nay no ?

    Quote Originally Posted by r1 View Post
    RPM Adjustment Screw


    Not present in E-2
    Aftermarket Rims for CG125  Araya vs Union -1422987
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/motorcycle-travel-diaries/277725-sober-riders-visit-khunjerab-adventurous-way-via-nori-pass

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    Had to get my Push Rods changed. Bought these:
    Abobobilly's CG125 Thread - Its Evolution and Stuff I Changed - 1QcARdu

    Bought from "Auto Agency", McLoed Road, Lahore @ Rs.650.


    I had to bear the zalalat of searching out the Entire McLoed Road for these, and i searched like 40 shops in one hour, at extremely heated weather @ 20PM (so much for easy availability of parts 'eh @vickytulla?). And finally got these from one shop. Even then i had to use a Reference of a Mechanic, who was there at the shop by coincidence. (That Mechanic is the "Ustaad" of the person from whom i got this and previous Rings Replacement done)


    Abobobilly's CG125 Thread - Its Evolution and Stuff I Changed - YoyqNMk

    || A Comparison Shot ||
    :: Left: Old, they are Thin and come in Newer Models.
    :: Right: Newly Bought, They are Thicker and used to come in Older Models


    These are 100% Guaranteed Japanese Part.


    The issue was rather strange in nature. Here are my observations:
    - Bike was screaming like hell but wouldn't run any faster.
    - Top Speed was reduced to just 80-90 km/h.
    - Acceleration in 1st and 2nd Gear was greatly affected, but 3rd gear was most powerful, which would easily push the bike upto 70-75km/h ... with 4th Gear being 'just fine'.
    - I suspected clutch plates (as also mentioned in several other places here in the past @r1) ...

    ... but the Mechanic (who did my previous engine work) suspected Push Rods. There was a very audible loud Knocking & Ticking Sound (caused by Tappets, the reason being worn out Push Rods). It was an easy replacement. Opening up the Tappet Cover, disassembling the Rocker Plate and Replacing Push Rods. DONE.

    Anyway, i have noticed that now bike runs pretty good:
    - Visible difference in bike's intake and exhaust behavior. Meaning better power at a certain RPM.
    - Engine has stopped screaming like a wild nut.
    - Interestingly, Engine Vibration have been noticeably reduced. I guess thats because of Thicker Push Rods.

    This begs the question, if these AHL's Geniune Parts really worth it. THEY ARE NOT. Well yeah, better than China Parts but Japanese parts are Japanese. Japense Honda CG125 was really one of a kind.
    Riders on the storm ... literally.

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    After 3 years of my CG.... I have been observing one strange issue.... At uniform speed it keeps on knocking/jerking lightly.... Been through 5-6 tunings as well the issue gets solved by replacing plug... And arises again.... Every mechanic gives his own theory....

    1) Tuning k baad theek ho jayega
    2) loose chain
    3) carburettor cleaning

    tbh none of them is a solution....
    when all their desi totka's fail, then they blame PETROL PUMPS...

    Anyone have any idea what could be an issue???
    bike driven 27k kilometres

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    How about cleaning the fuel tank ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    Had to get my Push Rods changed. Bought these:
    Abobobilly's CG125 Thread - Its Evolution and Stuff I Changed - 1QcARdu

    Bought from "Auto Agency", McLoed Road, Lahore @ Rs.650.


    I had to bear the zalalat of searching out the Entire McLoed Road for these, and i searched like 40 shops in one hour, at extremely heated weather @ 20PM (so much for easy availability of parts 'eh @vickytulla?). And finally got these from one shop. Even then i had to use a Reference of a Mechanic, who was there at the shop by coincidence. (That Mechanic is the "Ustaad" of the person from whom i got this and previous Rings Replacement done)


    Abobobilly's CG125 Thread - Its Evolution and Stuff I Changed - YoyqNMk

    || A Comparison Shot ||
    :: Left: Old, they are Thin and come in Newer Models.
    :: Right: Newly Bought, They are Thicker and used to come in Older Models


    These are 100% Guaranteed Japanese Part.


    The issue was rather strange in nature. Here are my observations:
    - Bike was screaming like hell but wouldn't run any faster.
    - Top Speed was reduced to just 80-90 km/h.
    - Acceleration in 1st and 2nd Gear was greatly affected, but 3rd gear was most powerful, which would easily push the bike upto 70-75km/h ... with 4th Gear being 'just fine'.
    - I suspected clutch plates (as also mentioned in several other places here in the past @r1) ...

    ... but the Mechanic (who did my previous engine work) suspected Push Rods. There was a very audible loud Knocking & Ticking Sound (caused by Tappets, the reason being worn out Push Rods). It was an easy replacement. Opening up the Tappet Cover, disassembling the Rocker Plate and Replacing Push Rods. DONE.

    Anyway, i have noticed that now bike runs pretty good:
    - Visible difference in bike's intake and exhaust behavior. Meaning better power at a certain RPM.
    - Engine has stopped screaming like a wild nut.
    - Interestingly, Engine Vibration have been noticeably reduced. I guess thats because of Thicker Push Rods.

    This begs the question, if these AHL's Geniune Parts really worth it. THEY ARE NOT. Well yeah, better than China Parts but Japanese parts are Japanese. Japense Honda CG125 was really one of a kind.
    Brother how much Kms have you clocked on your CG

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyedMoazzam View Post
    Brother how much Kms have you clocked on your CG
    As of yesterday, 35888
    Why do you ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by talhabinomar View Post
    How about cleaning the fuel tank ?
    How do mechanics clean it???
    do they add some acid or something inside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    As of yesterday, 35888
    Why do you ask?
    no specific reason
    Waisay he

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    Quote Originally Posted by ha125 View Post
    How do mechanics clean it???
    do they add some acid or something inside?
    No, the mechanic will disassembles the tank, and will put some water in and clean it from rust, then take to any buff wala, he will clean it with pressurized air and install it back.

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    Just came back home after driving 80kms at Canal Road Lahore. Today was Sunday (now its not ) so i thought why not get some fresh air. Went outside to do some test runs. Sadly, it was night time so couldn't do beyond 100km/h.

    I forgot how much fun it was. Empty Canal Road with nothing but a few cars ... and some other (crazy and frigging *******) riders. A few times i tried to drag race with them. Lost every time (Primary reason would be that they play it dirty, and secondary reason would be my bike whose petrol is reduced so top speed is affected, as my bike achieves it slower)

    I Must say, new Push Roads are doing great, and the Tappet Noise has also been extremely reduced. Which surprises be GREATLY (because i have never seen a CG125 with Tappet Noise so less after driving it so hard).

    Current rating is 35968 ... @SyedMoazzam

    Oh btw, @Automotorsport_Lover! I hold my stance about LiquiMoly being over rated. After today's test run, bike's clutch was EXACTLY like it behaves on other oils. Engine was heating up EXACTLY like it does under other oils. So what exactly this oil does better than other oils. Hm, only time will tell. Maybe its the mileage, or maybe its nothing. Anyway ...
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    Oh meray Cheetay ... Shuker ker mil tu gaye na ...

    There is a 2013 paiggio 6k ridden only has a broken head studd and is on sale becuase its studd is no where avaiable ... there is a frame and a fual tank of RP125 on bilal autos of a 2008 model ask the mechnic (Islam sb) why it was dis-assebled and sold as spare part (its Pushrod never came from the factory in replacement parts) ... not to mention its Oil Pump if goes bad then you have to use the CG pump becuase its like a wait of life if wait for the factory...

    the only reason of paiggios survival is that it ingerits lots of sapres from CG ... apko Pushrod ky liye few shops isliye ghomni perain kio k you were finding geniune I suppose, and autoagency, geern, Jadeed, makhdoom ye tu famous shops hain men tu Sb say pehly inko fone kerta hon AHL koi kuch bhi lena ho
    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    i searched like 40 shops in one hour
    I wonder 40 shops ap Road master ki chain tu nahi dhondty rahay becuase CG ky non AHL pushrod tu apko local gali mohalay Shop say bhi mil jatay hain sirf Genuine lenay hon tu off course apko geniune parts supplier k pass tu jana he peray ga na ...

    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    so much for easy availability of parts 'eh @vickytulla?)
    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    There is a 2013 paiggio 6k ridden only has a broken head studd and is on sale becuase its studd is no where avaiable ... there is a frame and a fual tank of RP125 on bilal autos of a 2008 model ask the mechnic (Islam sb) why it was dis-assebled and sold as spare part (its Pushrod never came from the factory in replacement parts) ... not to mention its Oil Pump if goes bad then you have to use the CG pump becuase its like a wait of life if wait for the factory...
    Bhai aap rehne do. Heavy Bikes spares also aren't widely available here, but that doesn't stop people from buying/importing it.

    1 product ko sirf iss liye derecognize karna k uss k spares "widely available nahi hain" like Honda ... thats lame. This reason is a solid point why AHL is keeping its "monopolistic position" in the market. Critically speaking, YES i'd agree with your point about Ravi, that they should do better and focus on its downfalls. But even AHL does not do that in Pakistan, so newsflash ... back to square one.


    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    the only reason of paiggios survival is that it ingerits lots of sapres from CG ...
    Had a chat with a few mechanics on this part, and they did not recommend any such thing. But they did say that "it can be fitted". But then you can also fit CG125 parts in CD70 too, so what the heck right.


    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    apko Pushrod ky liye few shops isliye ghomni perain kio k you were finding geniune I suppose, and autoagency, geern, Jadeed, makhdoom ye tu famous shops hain men tu Sb say pehly inko fone kerta hon AHL koi kuch bhi lena ho I wonder 40 shops ap Road master ki chain tu nahi dhondty rahay becuase CG ky non AHL pushrod tu apko local gali mohalay Shop say bhi mil jatay hain sirf Genuine lenay hon tu off course apko geniune parts supplier k pass tu jana he peray ga na ...
    Aray wah. So you are implying if we can't find Geniune, we should go ahead and use cheap spare parts?

    I crave for Japenese parts. They give me a boner :p Its sad that we can't find them the way we used to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    Bhai aap rehne do. Heavy Bikes spares also aren't widely available here, but that doesn't stop people from buying/importing it.

    1 product ko sirf iss liye derecognize karna k uss k spares "widely available nahi hain" like Honda ... thats lame. This reason is a solid point why AHL is keeping its "monopolistic position" in the market. Critically speaking, YES i'd agree with your point about Ravi, that they should do better and focus on its downfalls. But even AHL does not do that in Pakistan, so newsflash ... back to square one.
    1 - Abobi Sb isliye tu heavy bike sirf wohi leta hai jo uski nakhray utha sakay her koi nahi leta specially who dont want any hassle... First of all let me get it clear and straight cheeta gee... I hate AHL and its decades old products I dont own an AHL product and I own a highly mAdified paiggio as you know it already I I duely stand by my point of "spare parts widely avaiable" I never said Genuine Engine is repaired in chichu ki milain but if you cg fails there any mechnic will get it running in any case... (say putting non genuine parts what so ever!! )

    2 - I hate AHL monopoly and also wish to see a good competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    Had a chat with a few mechanics on this part, and they did not recommend any such thing. But they did say that "it can be fitted". But then you can also fit CG125 parts in CD70 too, so what the heck right.
    no you cant fit a single thin from CD70 to CG if we talk about engine ... secondly when you BIG A$$ ride is dead just becuase you cant find its god damn spare aprt then you will have to go any alternative.


    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    Aray wah. So you are implying if we can't find Geniune, we should go ahead and use cheap spare parts?

    I crave for Japenese parts. They give me a boner :p Its sad that we can't find them the way we used to.
    WHy you are so happy about it becuase you own a CG ... your opinion would be "HELL NO" if you had a RP or a GS ... is liye men apko mazeed nahi samja sakta sirf itna mashwara don ga bhai paiggio lay lo khudi pta chal jaye ga ... CG k rod tu khudi lay aye ho na ... paiggio ki dafa phir mujhe fone na kerna k iski 'CAM kahan say milti hai ...


    oe mwn apko ye bhi bata don ... menay pehly bhi kafi deafa kaha I dont recomend bike to any body unless any body asks me directly .... auto ny bhi khud pocha tha werna shyid men usay bhi mashwara na deta... or RP ya GS sirf usko recomend kerta hon jo wakaye he usay dhond rahay hotay hain ...


    I hope you undertand it now
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    @srmklive! Since this matter isn't anything private to be discussed on Private Messages, lets discuss here. If you want, you can also post your PM here for other people to read, since most of these people believe the stock rims on these bikes are "very good quality" rims.

    Lets discuss it here.

    So, don't you have any auto parts market in your Rawalpindi Islamabad area? I'd love to help you out, but i believe there is no need because even if you don't find these Rims in your city ... you can always call the person in Lahore "by phone" and ask them to ship the goods to you, in exchange for an online transfer in their account. It might cost more but it'd be the easiest thing to do.

    Mostly AHL Spare Parts distributors also have these Araya, Union or Takasago rims because of their demand. I tried shops like Makhdoom Autos, Green Autos, and Auto Agency (these are MAJOR distributors in McLeod Road) but some of them had only front Rim and some had only Rear Rim. And i was looking for a shop which would have BOTH. This way, front rim costed me slightly more but i got the rear Rim cheaper.

    On most of the shops, the rate for Front 2.50-18 Rim (Araya) i got, was Rs.1250 (Makhdoom and Green's rate). Auto Agency was selling Rear Rim only which is 3.00-17 (Araya) for Rs.1475.

    I bought them from "Asif Auto Company", 59-McLeod Road Lahore. Here is the rates I got:
    Front 2.50-18 Araya Rim = Rs.1320
    Rear 3.00-17 Araya Rim = Rs.1450
    TOTAL = Rs.2770

    These rims will have Araya J markings on them. Otherwise, you can look for any of these three and you won't be disappointed:
    1. Araya
    2. Union
    3. Takasago

    Also, have a look my previous posts regarding the wires you need to purchase. If you have a "Bigger front hub" CG125, then you for front rim, you will have to purchase AHL Geniune Wires (because ISH wires come for "smaller hub" CG125 only). But you can get "ISH" wires for Rear wheel.

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    Ahmed bhai,

    You are 100% right. The stock RIMS on CG-125 ones are crappy. I had to have the front one re-aligned 3 times in the last month. I am seriously considering buying the RIMS you mentioned in your post, as i am really sick of using stock AHL ones. I am definitely getting the new RIMS.

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    @abobobilly
    Also, have a look my previous posts regarding the wires you need to purchase. If you have a "Bigger front hub" CG125, then you for front rim, you will have to purchase AHL Geniune Wires (because ISH wires come for "smaller hub" CG125 only). But you can get "ISH" wires for Rear wheel.
    Do i need to install the AHL wires on for the front rim, or the back one as well. I have looked at your posts, you mention that for the back RIM use the ISH spoke wires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srmklive View Post
    Do i need to install the AHL wires on for the front rim, or the back one as well. I have looked at your posts, you mention that for the back RIM use the ISH spoke wires.
    ISH spoke wires (thanks for the assistance on that word, i forgot about it ) are much better in quality than your AHL ones, and cost almost the same. Maybe 10 rupees expensive.

    The idea is to use ISH wires for both rims. But as mentioned before, it only comes for "Smaller Hub" front wheel and not "bigger hub" ... which means you have no choice but to use AHL's geniune spoke and nuggets set.

    Your existing spokes net (i mean, the spoke wires installed in your rims) will be cutt off rendering them unusable.

    Also, if your existing tyre tubes have more than 5 punctures, better change it. Or not, thats your preference. Thats really not gonna make any difference, other than reducing the number of punctures.

    Also, make sure you find a highly skilled person to align your rims 100%. Believe me, thats the first thing you need to do. Because having better quality rims isn't gonna cut it , unless you find someone who does the job by heart. Fortunately, i have one in my area which is famous for his work for many years. And i am 100% satisfied with his work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abobobilly View Post
    Here is the rates I got:
    Front 2.50-18 Araya Rim = Rs.1320
    Rear 3.00-17 Araya Rim = Rs.1450
    You just mentioned tyre sizes. I guess rim sizes are front 1.40-18 and rear 1.60-17. right?
    These rims seem quite pricier than SOMO rims.

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