well. lets tell the whole senario,, we being on leftmost side of road, had a cyclist in frt, so had to wait till we passed it,, plus we 3 in car , they were 2,, in S block when rx8 guys started off, they didnt go anywhere ahead, till we bout ran into redlight stop. Lets see twincam20 against rotary is gonna spark up any remains of prevoius fire real hard,lol,,because lots here believe rotary is about 100hp more than 20v our both photographers were so excited about racing with rx8,, they fogot to roll camera for movies...lolzz ...plus not to mention another incident, we saw a brand new black rolls "phantom" tonight here in DHA.