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CG-125's mixture settings can be lowered and the bike will still run like it should, at the cost of quick acceleration.
But Deluxe ... in WORST scenarios, if you drive it hard, i mean like push it, then brake, then again take it 100 and brake ... driving like that, will get you as low as 28km/liter average. But normally, it stays near 30km/liter ... and if you drive it REAL slow and easy, keep it below 50/60 mark ... it can achieve even 38km/liter.
But i haven't heard even a single Deluxe owner going it above 35km/liter.
Do note that if you drive a CG-125 EASY, you can achieve as high as 50km/liter ... which is why i am saying it may/will be a huge difference for a person like me.
Baap ka paisa urana bohat easy hay. Apna paisa ho tub tension nai hoti ... han agar banda kanjoos ho to wo alag baat hay lol
But there is no such thing like that with Deluxe and Piaggio. Probably because of their Large Rear Wheelbase and better rear shock absorbers and their position. But its a fact that Deluxe/Piaggio is the EASIEST bike to handle at higher speeds.
It was the same with my bike until i took it outside lahore and really pushed it to its limits, and found out two problems. The RPM needle starts to jump after 8-9k RPM ... however, the Speedometer stays Stable.
Its not a CG-125 CLASSIC.
The real pleasure of riding the bike is with everything original. However, if you are scared of thieves or dacoits then its another thing.
I own a CG-125 and eventhough i WANT to change it tanki and tapay, but at the same time i dont want to. Why? Because the 'feel' doesn't remain the same. Its still has its original tanki and tapay.
However i am seriously thinking to get some BLACK but GENUINE tanki and tapay to change the riding pleasure. Not to mention that Classic CG-125 looks 10 times better with Black Tanki and Tapay
Obviously a CG-125 will be 10 times more economical than a car.
But i am afraid IT ISN'T.
If there isn't HUGE difference in fuel consumption, then there is enough to say there IS A DIFFERENCE ... and its certainly not 'hardly 1 to 2km'.
Nice Try :p
As per my experience, Deluxe was A LOT easier to control on higher speeds than a CG-125. Heck .. me who is a really bad (not badass ;p) driver, can take it easily upto 120km, and it still would feel like piece of cake.
You Can't just compare them both or can you
If it Averages on 30km/liter (given that you drive it on high speeds ... if you manage to keep it down till 50/60 constance, it'll be even higher and CAN be nearly 40km/liter) ... and 12 liters of fuel tank ... that becomes nearly 900 Rupees ... and about 360 kilometers.
A 1600cc car goes for about 13-15 km/liter average on petrol. (if i am not mistaken)
I say its not a bad deal or is it.
Rest remains repairs, well all cars/bikes need it so i will not take it into account. Who cares if the tunning of a Petrol engine costs you 1000 rupees and a CNG's 2000 ... people will remain satisfy because of the fuel mileage /kg its giving.
I mean just take a look at honda Deluxe ... they are indirectly advertising their EURO2 Standard like they are selling Hayabusa power in a 125cc class. I mean ... seriously ... its pretty obvious for an educated person that they are trying to attract customers by putting EURO2 Sticker ... ahem ... lemme rephrase that ... they are attracting customers by putting Sexy and highly stylish EURO2 Stickers ... which makes most people think if its something like 'best of both worlds' and they just LOVE to purchase Deluxe over any other bike like Piaggio or GS125/150.
But you know ... thats the thing which makes a company money making/sucking machine i.e. HONDA ... ATLAS HONDA to be precise
ALLAH NASEEB MAIN KARAY
Apparently they are not ready to accept the change. Comon ... black color still looks hell lot better than red color in Deluxe.
Its only the Piaggio which looks even more sexy in Red
brother i was the one who said that controlling cg125 over 80km//h is a mission and that is true, the bike vibrates like it is the end of the world. however, i went to murree on this bike and let me tell u that the vibrations are lowered when i put stuff on tanky. i installed side mirrors and put a bag on the rear seat and on the tanky. and trust me the bike handled like a charm. i was mostly at 110km/h on GT road and the bike didnt give any problems, also bike's braking power increased. how ever when i came back to lahore and when i removed the weight of bags and the side mirrors then i almost slipped, coz bike was so out of control.
i really like dlx because it it not only more stable a bike, but if u see it's rear brake is bigger than that of classic. so more braking power at rear wheel and ofcourse the disk brake is there at the front. now a days i am seriously considering it but the initial cost + high fuel consumption is what is stopping me from buying it. i love to go to mountain areas and i have taken my cg 125 there as well. but i think in places like muree, the classic is more 'powerful' because it had less weight but same cc. what u think about that?
a lot of contraversal statements u posted but cmon
cg 125 doing 50km/liter?
just be realistic
with 100 cc its still difficult to do and i havent met a single person except u saying this , may be u had the special (green edition like 9800gt) which nobody else has
now dont teach me the riding style coz i know them but watever u do u cant achieve that average on CG
mine gives 42km/liter in local if kept till 70km/h
there were people claiming their piaggio does 60km/liter but its all false , it can never do it
brother most of things you said are almost correct but i'll clerify my statement actually i was not comparing my car and bike but giving the view that i'm not the best judge of consumption i hardly ever realize how much its consuming because i have two whole difirrent limits i use my car more hence i can tell what exact fuel economy i get.
secondly my statement of marketing had nothing to do with company market position or customer base i understand exactly the type of problems ravi may face competing against giants. but what i pointed out was a fundamental mistake by most of the competing companies "its better to find new markets than create large competition and give power to consumer from business point of view" If Honda is competing on their name one thing good about ravi was they announced their bike on pakwheels and i'm quiet sure as ive not replied to any post but i have followed the thread from day one. there were sales by the company.
In my opinion they should have gone for a different target market for better results.
For reference please find apple, windows and now android platforms three different companies having different customer base with different approach.
for local reference see the difference in customer base of toyota and honda cars (in my opinion they (ravi) had a good oportunity if they kept targeting new customers.
eventhough my post is becoming long but in order to clariy my point i'll just put forth the scenario that ravi is promoting through electronic media and targeting mc loed road on grass root level they simply don't add up.
if you want to understand what happens when business same in nature and magnitude collide visit samanabad poonch road and have some research on the wedding halls present there and ask them the difference in their revenue between today and three years back
let the power of youth explode
brother cng cars require more mantainance than one can imagine and then again there is no peace of mind in it my father purchased 2003 model toyota 0 meter and regularly serviced it and sold it in late 2010. the amount of repairing costs other than regular costs was negligible and believe me im not a fan of toyota. i purchased civic and uptill now apart from regular tuneups ive spent 10-12k on shocks and brakes. i bought a 2008 alto for my wife and she drives 20km daily and it requires twenty minutes to start in cold morning and had to repair engine twice for knocking, costing 8k in total. all these were mantained by their respective companies. hence
no work in 7 years
no enigne work in 5 years
and two times work and trouble in morning within 2 years.
"im not stating the amount of work my father has put into khyber which is visible in the pictures" still its problematic
my experiecne says no cng drive bike if you want economy
let the power of youth explode
syd : Yes off course DEAR,, bani banye kheer nahi milti babu .. I liked to share my knowlwdge and I just did that if you are now that much into it so its you choice "KEEP KICKIN"
abobobilly : MAN how did you managed to write so many replies ... thats lots of typing ...
Any ways Yes it is that easy these all engines share the same inner tappa DIE .. I usually do window shopping in bilal ganj and I saw people doing that specially who cannot kick a 125 because its is very hard for older people .. if you go there ofter try to meet "papu" CD ROAD master specialist (he is famous for it) and ask him that u need to upgrade noraml 125 to self starter he will give you all the helpp one needs..
I am sharing it not only for you "abobobi" but its for them who love to do weird alterations to there rides and are visible out of the crowd.
The second one was a little tongue-in-cheek. I know a motorcycle is more economical than a car, even it it's on CNG, but I was trying to get across the perspective of people that are downgrading from cars, and aren't as concerned with fuel economy. Well, because compared to what we are currently paying for fuel in cars, it's a drastic drop and we're super happy about that.
Even outside lahore, taking it to FULL 120 takes to be a SOLID HEART owner (not for weak hearted PG13 lol)
So if you were sitting on it + Extra Weight ... it was SUPPOSED To run better than usual ... i mean more Stable on road.
You did a lot of travel with extra weight on, so you were actually used to it ... which is why you almost slipped due to unusual control [not intended to be Einstein here )
However i AM planning a trip to Islamabad to meet a friend there ... on my bike ofcourse. Lets see how it turns out. Do note that its neary 300kms. And i am frightened already whenever i fantasize about such a tiring and long journey
Like i mentioned before, my CG-125, with a tuned down mixture settings of carburetor, and if driven around 50/60km constant (not like accelerating hard and then braking if you know what kind of driving i am talking about) ... (tested because my route to college is Canal Road daily from inside Badami Bagh to near Model Town, and i leave my house at 06:30AM when the roads are almost empty and come back after 080PM when canal road is almost empty but after Railway Station/McLoad road chowk, its crowded till Do-Moriya Pull ... total travel about 37-40 kilometers). I DID achieve slightly above 50km for my bike TWICE (twice just to be sure, with two fully fueled tanks, in a duration of about 22-25 days if i am right) and it easily gave me 50km/liter. Makes about 360km/7.2 liters.
(Bike's tank is 9.2 Liters ... out of which 2 liters are reserve so keep it out because i am counting WITHOUT reserve ... leaves behind 7.2 liters approx , tank full with fuel near the edge i.e. tanki full lol)
I Only use my bike to travel to my college and those days i drove very carefully just to check the economy its providing me. It was back in November December when it was cold ... cold enough to make it safe to keep the mixture setting down, because you dont have to worry about engine heating.
But now as the summer season is starting, my mechanic has again changed the mixture settings ... slightly loose, but bike is still giving me fuel average betwen 42-45 km/liter, and i now drive it above 80kms ... well open road at sunrise i.e. Canal ... nothing stops me anyway.
About extra heating up engine of CG-125, if you remember that previous thread by me in which i specifically ask YOU people here at PakWheels if they are saying the right thing.
I have my bike for ... i donno ... maybe more than 6 months i think? ... which is enough time for me to completely understand such things ... atleast for MY bike.
The fact is ... no one in ordinary conditions drive a bike, specially a CG-125, like that ... i mean EASY. I HAD to keep my hand down at accelerator to check what i was checking.
So i really dont wann argue about its 50km/liter average ... because lets just face it ... its not Practical
Also ... you can't even tune YOUR bike's mixture down because i've asked a couple of mechanics to do that experiment ... and according to them, its no use in a 5 Gear motorcycle of the same engine capacity i.e. 124cc ... because its power is already lowered to keep it SMOOTH and when they decrease the fuel, ye mar he jati hay lol
Which makes me believe, it just may be the SOLE reason for you not to accept that 50km/liter thingy :p
But I really appreciate your info in this regard. It'll help those people Who actually want to do that.
If you come across any project like that, do share with us
Bike is easy ride for people want to travel inner city. Fast and economical conveyance IMO.
@abobobilly - bhai thanks for such detailed replies. what you are saying about 50km/l seems right. i dont drive very carefully, infact i pull back the throttle everytime i see empty road and my college is on raiwind road so i drive at 80-100km/h on those roads but still i get around 41 - 43 km/h. so if i drive very cautiously and set my fuel settings lower i think around 50km/l is achievable.
about brakes, honda are being unfair, coz they have given bigger tyre and brakes in 125 dlx but cd70 and cg125 (classic) share same rear brake despite having different rear wheel size. i wanted to install dlx rim in my bike to get the bigger rear brake but my mechanic advised against it.
good luck for ur trip to Isl. when u r there, do try to go to murree, it is only around 50km from isl via murree road. and abobobilly bhai u should take a tour of murree on ur bike atleast once as there is no match for that experience. i have gone to mountain ranges many times on cars and jeeps but bike was the best one by far.
and u r right, with added weight 125 seems more 'tamed'. but even with all that stuff, it would still lift off its front wheel it if u rev up and let go of the clutch. i think this is where dlx lags behind coz it has a lower power to weight ratio. everything else dlx is better.
I just found a useful link on even PW here about selfs starters but np piks.. but I ill try to take snaps this time I saw any CG 125 bike upgraded to self start in lahore here too
first of all i like to say that these mechanics are the most dumb a s s creatures on the earth , coz they never understand the working but try to run things their own way , like wise here is an example
wen i first learned to tune the mixture of my 125 i read the data sheet and came to know that the mixture screw is on the fuel valve in 125 carbeurator , not on the air valve like 70 carbs , so turning screw out increases the fuel flow where as tightning it decreases it
where as in 70 cc its vice versa , increasing air decreases fuel and so on
when i talked to my mechanic abt this he simply refused sayin tht i ve gone nuts lol
so after tht thing i never trust my mechanic and tune my bike myself , its nt a rocket science to do it , u just need to acquire proper knowledge
second thing ur mechanic said tht deluxe/piaggio are underpowered to keep them smooth WTH man ? smoothness never comes frm underpowered engines , 1st of all its not 124, its 126CM3 (already more nt less)
they had made them smooth by adding a heavy frame, large fuel tanks and overall heavy engine mountings , but still it climbes in top speed , so its not power less
if u had to do the experiment just swap ur 125 engine in deluxe chasis some day and u will come to knw the real stats
so never trust mechanics completely on wat they say
these are the mechanics who say tht efi cars are fail coz they cant do their tuning without proper machine and computers
completed 123 kms at last aaj 20kms tak chalaon ga or lollxx
bike lay li hai or nokri millat tractors main ho gai hai
let the power of youth explode
Besides, with tuned down mixture, you are still able to do 120kms ... so why even bother? The ONLY thing you'd lose is the quick acceleration. But it still accelerates like a 125cc should.
I tell you. More than 25 years old technology engine Honda is still using with a couple of tweaks .. and there are those people who never had gone to school and from early days of their life, they are working at a shop of ustaad jeera or ustaad kareem to learn bike's engine mechanics and with a vision to be a 'ustaaad' themselves.
And then there are some new comers in market, who specifically like to brag about everything they do ... like پھڑیں marna.
Now the bitter truth ... You CANNOT just ignore a mechanic's comments when there is a 20+ years of experience speaking out of him. If you do, i say there is no idiot bigger than you in this world, because you are arguing with a man with most experience, from the times when you weren't even born in this world.
WHat? Amused You?
The thing is that i dont trust mechanics, atleast not all of them. I choose my mechanic after extensive research about him, and about his experience or person life. The mechanic i have now ... have nearly 25 years of working experience.
Tuning a bike's mixture is not a rocket science. Even i know where the screw to set the mixture lies. But wo kehte hain na ... جس کا کام اُسی کو ساجھے
Doing it yourself and then get it done from a profession 'experienced' person ... makes A LOT of difference.
According to Honda (excuse me if i dont state the exact statement, but it was something like this) ... 5th Gear was not meant for speed. It was meant for smoothness in ride, and fuel economy.
About the engine, kindly read the specifications over wikipedia, and i 'hope' its the same engine use by Atleast previous manufacture by japan :p
Ravi, Deluxe, CG-125 ... ALL are using a 124cc engine.