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    Default Honda Pridor 100 Model 2013

    Honda Pridor 100 Model 2013 - 5yaod

    Hello Friends with the Grace of Almighty Allah I have been able to purchase new bike again
    As many of you guys know i owned deluxe & some dear p.w fellows call me also deluxe guy
    Deluxe is no doubt a very good bike & i am proud of deluxe but now I am actually a Pridor

    Honda Pridor 100 includes fair amount of changes to be call as its a new model & yes new bike
    this is happening after years of waiting in AHl motorcycles but finally finally its really good to see changes
    And the changes in Pridor are very impressive & adorable. I have not owned old AHl CD100
    So I may point out something which may not be change I request you guys to
    kindly correct me in this thread if am wrong. I would highly appreciate that

    Overall bikes has been given sporty looks & is dedicated to people who appreciate & wants to see change in AHl motorcycle

    *Headlight with aerodynamic visor..... Fitted very nicely better than deluxe
    *New Design Sleek & Sexy Tank & Side Covers with brilliant Graphics
    *Side covers locking mechanism is good, they sit perfect & tight won't make noise
    *Sporty very good looking Front Fender........ Its covering tyre nicely & keeping dirt away
    *Quality Honda Deluxe indicators looking beautiful on Pridor
    *New Carburetor
    *New Beautiful looking tool box design
    *New kinda Fuel on/off switch with beautiful plastic cover (giving good look to bike from left side
    *Matt Black Silencer with beautiful Chrome Patti's
    *Front Shocks & Engine Magnet covers painted black & color quality seems very good
    *Beautiful looking meter specially in night its eye pleasant lack glowing needle
    but yet very good, light is bright in full meter
    *AHl have given a small mud guard infront of rear tyre now this is minor
    but yet good AHl have taken care of this thing & they also have utilized good use of rubber
    where ever it was needed to reduce noise & vibration

    Important & Good News ForThose Buying Pridor


    *
    Optional Pridor Chain Cover (Black Or Silver)
    Thanks to respectable fellow member Khanthegr8 For Sharing This Info
    See Details Of This News On Page 6 Of This Thread
    Note: This Offer Expired 1 Aug 2013 Info Shared By Khanthegr8

    *
    Special Pridor Key Chains For Pridor Owners
    See Details Of This News On Page 8 Of This Thread

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    Battery & Other Electrical Components Compartment
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    2nd Gear Katak Sound Issue
    As I purchased Pridor, On 2nd day i did realize
    that second gear is making unpleasant little higher Katak sound
    when shifting as compare to other gears but i thought this is nothing to worry
    this must be due to clutch settings but as another
    p.w Pridor owner faced same issue with his Pridor
    Than i went to Honda mechanic and he adjusted the clutch setting
    despite that it was producing this sound Finally in the end,
    Mechanic also said this seems a minor factory problem this would produce this sound.

    It should not be producing this higher katak sound
    It is really shameful for AHl launching bike with flaw
    Now this flaw is not very serious but despite this should not be there
    In similar way AHl had launched some CG models with very annoying knocking & khee sound issues
    Pridor issue does not look to me very serious, Because as you get use to clutch of pridor
    than you won't be having any issue in shifting from 1st to 2nd
    You won't listen any higher Katak sound, You will be shifting gear nicely
    So don't be discourage if you are Pridor owner within some days
    You will over come this issue as i have, gladly i am now shifting 2nd gear pretty good

    10,000km Completed on Pridor My Experience (Issues)

    After keeping the bike for almost 10months & completing 10k
    i am in very well good condition to tell what are cons or issues present in bike
    some issue i immediately encountered after purchasing but as the time i got to know more
    things about Pridor is good bike is not complete failure infact its enjoyable comfortable ride
    but its not the perfect bike there are some errors present in bike and these are serious issues
    Atlas Honda must resolve these issues immediately

    Engine Issues: 2nd gear kattak sound present in bike from the very first day it is annoying & really frustrating to see brand new bikes having such kinda issue but as i had said earlier you get use to it and you no more listen this sound but it does not mean AHl gives us bike with kattak sound issue and Along kattak sound issue Gear Box is not smoothest it makes little kir kir sound when shifting to 2nd gear and slowly leaving hand from clutch like the Old CG125
    Rear Shocks: A Complete failure they are good only for one person as they time passeed they became very soft
    and it was really frustrating driving bike on bad bumpy roads bikes loses its balance when pillion sits on it and ruins whole pleasure of riding bike i did some jugaar which was suggested by mechanic after this i am pretty satistfied Altas honda must resolve this issue as soon as possible and they must give adjustable shocks but please not adjustable as deluxe
    Tyres: Really not good tyres worst Servis tyres i had replaced front tyre after driving just 100km it was bumpy
    and i had terrible experience with rear servis its one of the worst tyres i have ever seen
    Handle: I am not pleased with handle front shocks seems to be working fine but it is some thing wrong with handle fitting which ruins pleasure of riding and you feel shocks when you drive on bad road bumps and after some time one of handlebar clamp nut got loose got it fixed 2nd nut got loose so there is some thing seriously fishy in quality
    Update: My conclusion this is common issues present in AHl bike the handle of CG125 & Pridor 100
    is not comfortable driving on bad roads i mean you feel impact on your hands so its general issue
    present in all pridors and mechanics now admit it and one machanic suggested solution but i refused
    Electical Issue:
    Facing electrical issue from the first day of purchase have replaced two batteries now using 3rd
    also replaced battery charger bought new still facing issue bikes horn does not work when bike slows down althought horn is perfectly fine simply there is not enough eletricity in bike i think loadshedding problem hai just joking bike can not bear rear light & pressing horn together well seriously i mean even CD70 does not have these kinda issue its magneto coil is powerful enough to generator good electicity honda mechanic has never been able to give any solution to this issue when ever i go to him he suggest to change bettery water
    Update: As i had told i am working on this issue but honestly speaking ignored this issue for long time i mean months
    i used to be frustrated as horn does not work and if worked use to beep very slow specially brake is pressed
    but just some days back went again to mechanic i started to find out what is the cause of this issue he checked battery current it was perfect fine means battery was fine charged as i had told my last two batteries died but i had replaced
    battery charger and i guess it was right decision this time there was not issue of battery low current battery showed complete signs of ok charged than mechanic checked horn he adjusted horn settings first with small bolt it did not work than he adjusted horn settings with bigger bolt and horn started to beep nice and quite good since than its working fine no matter if i press brake horn works even if bike is switched off i turned on the signals pressed brake than press horn and yet it works so now it seems to be working fine

    My Pridor 1 Year Completed On 17th Nov: 13000km (#1724)

    Here I do would like to write some thing about warranty period of bike
    Guys Atlas Honda is providing warranty of 2 years on their all bikes
    but with limitation of Max: 15000km i think they are playing game here again
    and trying to become genius but i think most of us now very well know that
    2 year of warranty in actually is not worth because warranty almost expires in 1 year
    i just give you an example of fellow pridor owners here at pakwheels most of them have
    clocked over 10k in one year so means there warranty is about to finish

    Look In india Hero Motorcyles they are providing a warranty of 5 years or 70000km
    i think now this is real warranty and peace of mind 70000km is long mileage

    and this shows the strong quality built of there product

    Sold My Pridor 100 Kept It For One & Half Year (#2016)

    We all know about list of issues present in Pridor 100 i don't want to go in details
    again in main post those issues are already discussed here despite all those issues i kept this bike
    for one & half year if this bike was complete failure i would have not kept it this much time
    some issues are very annoying but you can get use to it there is solution & tricks to avoid
    but still brand new bike should not coming out of factory with these issues what i feel
    for Pridor is that this bike can become highest selling bike if all those issues are resolved
    and Atlas Honda does some work on this bike seriously its an very good bike powerful & smooth
    vibration free comfortable bike with very good fuel consumption and attractive looks

    Update: Honda Pridor So Called New Model Launched

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    Atlas Honda has launched new model for Pridor 100 which in my view is such an shameful launch
    specially for bike like pridor 100 which finally was getting some sells but still way much struggling
    as compare to CD70 we are use to of atlas honda launching new stickers calling them new models
    from decades but atleast they should have worked on some of issues that were reported by pridor
    owners and why the hell ahl were collecting feedback of pridor owners keenly if they had nothing
    to do about those issues and they were to launch only new designed sticker on adobe.

    Honda Pridor is very good bike but there few flaws in it which makes its pleasant driving experience
    into annoying experience i am really disappointed from atlas honda new model launch specially of
    pridor this is not new model infact just an sticker launch which we know atlas honda is master in it
    their engineers & researchers are day night working only on adobe to design stickers

    i was hoping & expecting they will do some thing on issues and also might introduce some changes
    but i was completely wrong atlas honda want to continue their year by year sticker launch legacy









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    Aj meny apne friend ka cd70 chalaya the kick of cd70 is Way lose then my pridor.btw whats the odo reading of your pridor now?
    Sada nai banya.......Chalo koi gul nai....mitti pao...its ok..!!

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    Today i saw pridor in my university parking lot!
    I did not like its look from side.. :| too fat and bulky and a little out of proportion cowl beneath the rear seat...

    I think Junoon is the visually leading in 100cc category..

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    @anyone bro almost 900km
    yaar cd70 ko 100 se compare karna sahe nahein hai
    har bike ka alag alag hisaab hai alag behaviour hai
    70,100,125 ka engine different hai
    mujhe pridor ki kick mein koi bhi maslaa nahein ho raha hai
    yeh bilkul sahe kaam kar rahe hai aur hard nahein hai

    yaar buhat log pridor ki baari mein kah rahe hai silencer sound mein mazza nahein
    bilkul silent hai buhat cool hai 125 jaisa nahein hai
    now agar ahl walay chahi toh esko barha sound de sakti thi
    agar eagle 70 can sound like 125 this 100 surely can

    par low sound is quality of Pridor 100
    as great roaring sound is quality of CG & Deluxe
    Mein toh pridor ke sound ko aise read kar raha hon



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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Got engine oil and gear oil lube (for bike chain//car's transmission oil top up)..

    Caltex SAE 90w140,,and Liqui-Moly Racing 4T 20w50

    I have no time for bike's tuning and service for a few days,will share performance after oil change..

    Log kehtay hai kay Liqui Moly is overpriced product..Now this oil has a drain interval of 3000Kms..FOr your inner peace even if you drain it for intervals of 2000Kms it would cost you around Rs 330 per 1000Kms. So it is cost effective and also saves you the hassle of frequent oil changes.
    is it fully synthetic or ... ?
    and is it jasso ma ?
    where u bought it in pindi/ibd ? was it trusted source ?

    and do update us in a few days .. hope it turns out good ..

    i think u red a lot about engine oils .. can u say something about shell AX-7 ? is it available where? and is it ok for bikes like 70 or 100 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Today i saw pridor in my university parking lot!
    I did not like its look from side.. :| too fat and bulky and a little out of proportion cowl beneath the rear seat...

    I think Junoon is the visually leading in 100cc category..
    Though it is much better looking than old CD100, but still it gives the feeling of "trying too hard to look good" for a 100cc, while Junoon is simply smart yet good looking. (just my one cent, don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings)

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    is it fully synthetic or ... ?
    and is it jasso ma ?
    where u bought it in pindi/ibd ? was it trusted source ?

    and do update us in a few days .. hope it turns out good ..

    i think u red a lot about engine oils .. can u say something about shell AX-7 ? is it available where? and is it ok for bikes like 70 or 100 ?
    It is high Quality 100% virgin mineral oil.Bought from Liqui's official distributor in islamabad(I8 Markaz).I was looking for 10w40 racing semi synth unfortunately it was not available..Distributor said there was no demand for 10w40 4t oil so had to discontinue it..But they had 10w40 semi synth Mos2 motor oil which i avoided because it is not formulated for bikes..

    For 70cc's he has been pouring Liqui Moly Formula super 15w40.(another standard gasoline engine oil)..

    This oil has been processed in germany and directly imported..So local brands are no match..SHell AX-5,Caltex 4t,Castrol activ 4t all are inferior..Shell Pakistan does not formulate AX7 so i have no idea(there may be some importers in KHI) but finding an AX7 or Ultra is an impossible feat so no idea.

    I have emailed a query to Liqui regarding using their gasoline semi synth series in motorcycles am waiting for a response..

    This oil is highly recommended for CG-125 and all 125cc displacement bike owners..For 100cc it is a little thick but it will work like a charm..aur 70s main to 10w40/20w50 koi bchalay ga.70cc kay liae zic 4t best hai
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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    It is high Quality 100% virgin mineral oil.Bought from Liqui's official distributor in islamabad(I8 Markaz).I was looking for 10w40 racing semi synth unfortunately it was not available..Distributor said there was no demand for 10w40 4t oil so had to discontinue it..But they had 10w40 semi synth Mos2 motor oil which i avoided because it is not formulated for bikes..

    For 70cc's he has been pouring Liqui Moly Formula super 15w40.(another standard gasoline engine oil)..

    This oil has been processed in germany and directly imported..So local brands are no match..SHell AX-5,Caltex 4t,Castrol activ 4t all are inferior..Shell Pakistan does not formulate AX7 so i have no idea(there may be some importers in KHI) but finding an AX7 or Ultra is an impossible feat so no idea.

    I have emailed a query to Liqui regarding using their gasoline semi synth series in motorcycles am waiting for a response..

    This oil is highly recommended for CG-125 and all 125cc displacement bike owners..For 100cc it is a little thick but it will work like a charm..aur 70s main to 10w40/20w50 koi bchalay ga.70cc kay liae zic 4t best hai
    Where can I get liquimoly in Lahore?
    My bikes recommended oil grade us 20W-40 so this one is good for too...
    Do share ur experience with this oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    Though it is much better looking than old CD100, but still it gives the feeling of "trying too hard to look good" for a 100cc, while Junoon is simply smart yet good looking. (just my one cent, don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings)
    Yes
    I also don't mean to hurt, its a very good looking bike but after looking one does not say perfect!
    Kasar hai thori c, nd definitely much good looking than old cd100

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    if its mineral then whats the diff b/w it and havo , castro . ax3 etc .. ?

    and how can it do 3000 ? who gaurantees it ?
    do check it after 1000km of ride ..
    if it wee synthetic i would have relied on this figure but mineral and 3k in these bikes is a no no .. plese do chek it after 1k ..



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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    It is high Quality 100% virgin mineral oil.Bought from Liqui's official distributor in islamabad(I8 Markaz).I was looking for 10w40 racing semi synth unfortunately it was not available..Distributor said there was no demand for 10w40 4t oil so had to discontinue it..But they had 10w40 semi synth Mos2 motor oil which i avoided because it is not formulated for bikes..

    For 70cc's he has been pouring Liqui Moly Formula super 15w40.(another standard gasoline engine oil)..

    This oil has been processed in germany and directly imported..So local brands are no match..SHell AX-5,Caltex 4t,Castrol activ 4t all are inferior..Shell Pakistan does not formulate AX7 so i have no idea(there may be some importers in KHI) but finding an AX7 or Ultra is an impossible feat so no idea.

    I have emailed a query to Liqui regarding using their gasoline semi synth series in motorcycles am waiting for a response..

    This oil is highly recommended for CG-125 and all 125cc displacement bike owners..For 100cc it is a little thick but it will work like a charm..aur 70s main to 10w40/20w50 koi bchalay ga.70cc kay liae zic 4t best hai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Where can I get liquimoly in Lahore?
    My bikes recommended oil grade us 20W-40 so this one is good for too...
    Do share ur experience with this oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    if its mineral then whats the diff b/w it and havo , castro . ax3 etc .. ?

    and how can it do 3000 ? who gaurantees it ?
    do check it after 1000km of ride ..
    if it wee synthetic i would have relied on this figure but mineral and 3k in these bikes is a no no .. plese do chek it after 1k ..



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    Pakistan is a place where there are Badshah log and Badshah stuff..All oils formulated in pakistan are:

    25% virgin-75% refurbished oil mixture
    Resulting===Decreased drain intervals of 1000-1500 Kms

    A 100% virgin mineral has a drain interval of 5000/7000+ kms for cars..3000Kms for mcycles as they operate at higher temperatures and are air cooled and oil is strained more and has to do more work than passenger cars..Also 3000Kms is the interval stated by Liqui-Moly team.

    Quality mineral oil loose viscosity at large intervals..A fully synthetic oil has drain interval of 10000 Kms..Not available in pakistan.
    And i also mentioned it can be drained at 2000Kms but it still would retain its viscosity..

    From a relative of mine who works in shell Pakistan i came to know all local lubricants manufacturers purchase base oil for PSO and then add their refurbished oils//additives in them..There is virtually no comparison b/w Liqui and other local minerals.

    There is no comparison b/w Havoline & Liqui-Moly..It is like comparing a mehran with a vitz
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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Log kehtay hai kay Liqui Moly is overpriced product..Now this oil has a drain interval of 3000Kms..FOr your inner peace even if you drain it for intervals of 2000Kms it would cost you around Rs 330 per 1000Kms. So it is cost effective and also saves you the hassle of frequent oil changes.
    nice yaar, mouth watering product...
    2000Km draining intervals will be really great, so one can simply drain the oil while getting his bike tuned after 2K km intervals. no extra headache after every 1K km.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Pakistan is a place where there are Badshah log and Badshah stuff..All oils formulated in pakistan are:

    25% virgin-75% refurbished oil mixture
    Resulting===Decreased drain intervals of 1000-1500 Kms

    A 100% virgin mineral has a drain interval of 5000/7000+ kms for cars..3000Kms for mcycles as they operate at higher temperatures and are air cooled and oil is strained more and has to do more work than passenger cars..Also 3000Kms is the interval stated by Liqui-Moly team.

    Quality mineral oil loose viscosity at large intervals..A fully synthetic oil has drain interval of 10000 Kms..Not available in pakistan.
    And i also mentioned it can be drained at 2000Kms but it still would retain its viscosity..

    From a relative of mine who works in shell Pakistan i came to know all local lubricants manufacturers purchase base oil for PSO and then add their refurbished oils//additives in them..There is virtually no comparison b/w Liqui and other local minerals.

    There is no comparison b/w Havoline & Liqui-Moly..It is like comparing a mehran with a vitz
    Good info . I appreciate it.

    So is it the case with all oil manufacturers in Pakistan like caltex pso etc?

    But still i prefer havo until u post ur experience with it.

    Btw does it matter if oil is made from refurbished or crude ?

    Its deep science.

    Currently i have done approx 1500km in havo and its still usable . Though after 1800km there is definite decline in its quality.

    Also since when is this practice of use of refurbished oil going on?

    Thanks

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    Havoline is a better choice than other local counterparts,,The 4stroke oil is only good till 1000,,same is the case with 20w50 laal wala motor oil..I observed a sharp decrease in visosity of the laal havo at 1k Kms..Also i never let any local oil go 1000+ on my ride..You can call it freakingout or overkill..But it is better to pour in liqui instead of laal havo if you are interested in conserving your engine's reliability..As i said i will share a performance review on this product so keep your fingers crossed

    Refurbished oils=Low drain intervals as oil viscosity breaks down earlier..Have low flash point..Cheaper to make..More profiting
    This practice has been going on for 8 years or so.

    Castrol>Caltex in all aspects..I would prefer it anytime over caltex both its magnatec car's range and active 4t series

    My quest for an imported semi synth oil still lingers on..
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    thank u for the manual pictures
    yes im very much satisfied with cd100 as i had all varients of honda ie 70,100,125 , but over all 100 is most lovely esp no vibrations at all . i put almost 875 ml in my bike as i buy i litre pack of havoline ,manual recomends 750 because normally honda 3s wala dont tilt the bike to left and right to drain the oil .honda wala says dont tilt while changing oil as oil comes out from oil pump and may sieze the engine .i always tilt it and drain all but i never start it soon . i always givz it 20+ kicks with switch off on every oil change, so oil may go up in oil pump . i will try liquimoly this time but is it available at 20w 40 ??
    i find pridor lovely too other than the front light .it also lacks the fuel guage. never open the carbi dont ridr in reserve and always keep ur bike clean from mud as it helps in heating the engine, no need to clean the chalniii inside engine
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    one issue came in my knowledge a day before is that when ever i push brake the parking light, meter lights, and back light goes ON. funny , any one who can help me solve this issue plz
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    How to check that bike needs new engine oil?other then km reading?
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    Ala bike amjad, keep us posted with you Modifications. love to see them.

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    Can you guys indentify some thing different in my Pridor
    except yes front tyre is changed & seat cover, number plate
    i am really loving my this little modification or idea which came in mind

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    theirs an oil brand called Kixx which has a JASO MA/MA2 type oil, has any body used it ? it expensive then local manufacutrers and is made in Taiwan. any one has information about it ?

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    Bhai rolla to hai actually mujhe koi bari oil agency nai lab rai pindi main..Waisay liqui is the best followed by fuchs silkolene,valvoline,castrol activ..Havoline is a great oil but it is for cars the 20w50 laal wala..

    I cant find silkoline comp4 20w40 semisynthetic as my bike's recommended viscosity grade is 20w40..20w50 is thicker oil and gives less economy than 20w40 ..Zic 4T kay negative reviews ki waja say i avoided it otherwise Zic would have been sufficient
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    hmm . waiting for ur detailed reply ..

    but look bikes are hot running and hard running things .. therefore they make oil black quickly .. and that black is the carbon .. so if oil turns black after 1k then its a good thing .. as it means its doing its work . if its still looking as new then it means its not doing its job of removing the deposits ..

    i think the earlier oil change like at 1k or 1.2k is not due to poor quality of oil but quickly removing the carbon deposits out ..





    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Havoline is a better choice than other local counterparts,,The 4stroke oil is only good till 1000,,same is the case with 20w50 laal wala motor oil..I observed a sharp decrease in visosity of the laal havo at 1k Kms..Also i never let any local oil go 1000+ on my ride..You can call it freakingout or overkill..But it is better to pour in liqui instead of laal havo if you are interested in conserving your engine's reliability..As i said i will share a performance review on this product so keep your fingers crossed

    Refurbished oils=Low drain intervals as oil viscosity breaks down earlier..Have low flash point..Cheaper to make..More profiting
    This practice has been going on for 8 years or so.

    Castrol>Caltex in all aspects..I would prefer it anytime over caltex both its magnatec car's range and active 4t series

    My quest for an imported semi synth oil still lingers on..

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