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    Default Honda CD175 Bobber Project

    I was looking for a bobber project candidate on a famous peer to peer website and after a month of searching I ended up buying this. A 1977 Honda CD175. This motorcycle came with a seized engine and dismal body condition. As I was only interested in the Chassis/frame therefore fortunately the frame looks pretty solid and rust free. Just a teeny weeny rust patch just above the rear spring upper mounts.

    The latter picture is the inspiration. I want to end up with something like this. A single seater bobbed up honda CD175 with an oversized/ mean engine.

    As for now I'm in search for a good engine for this frame. I've been told that CB180 or XM180 engine can fit bolt bolt on this frame. However I want to go a little wild with this project and I was thinking to go for CBR250RR engine, one that revs to 19,000 RPM. Lets See what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilskreed View Post
    Correction..Its DYL(Dawood Younis Limited) Dhoom YD-70..Its not yamaha..Its china bike
    Its DYL ........Dawood YAMAHA Limited........
    Im, quoting from DYL official website:

    Dawood Yamaha Limited


    In 1976, under the umbrella of the Dawood Group of Companies, Dawood Yamaha Limited (DYL) was formed in a joint venture with Yamaha Motor Company (YMC), Japan. Since its launch Dawood Yamaha Limited (DYL) has built extensive world-class facilities for manufacturing and marketing the Yamaha brand of motorcycle in Pakistan. It is because of our reputation as a manufacturer of quality motorcycles that we have been the undisputed leader in 100cc engines throughout Pakistan.
    Launch of DYL Motorcycles


    In 2008, Dawood Yamaha Limited (DYL) underwent an image transformation and changed its name to DYL Motorcycles. With this name change we also introduced a new product the YD-70 Dhoom. The Dhoom is the economical cousin of the Yamaha Royale that has been produced in Pakistan for the last thirty years, and most recently the Yamaha Junoon, which was designed and engineered by DYL in Pakistan. After the launch of Junoon, our engineering team set to work on the YD-70, was launched to target the largest section of the motorcycle market, which was suffering as a result of high fuel prices in an economy suffering from high inflation.
    DYL Motorcycles Ltd, with its 70cc Dhoom is a quality brand built on solid after-sales care, who cater to the mid-to-high price customer who care about the quality of the product they are buying, and wants his motorbike to be an investment in his future.

    http://www.dyl.com.pk/Company-Heritage.aspx
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    Yes 2 strokes have their own charm!
    a 135cc Yamaha Rx135 engine punches close power to this 239cc onw so yes they have a lot of attraction!

    & It was formerly Dawood Yamaha Limited Brother
    DYL's license has been far expired, now they have literally no right to write Yamaha on their products, Devilkreed is right about this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Yes 2 strokes have their own charm!
    a 135cc Yamaha Rx135 engine punches close power to this 239cc onw so yes they have a lot of attraction!

    & It was formerly Dawood Yamaha Limited Brother
    DYL's license has been far expired, now they have literally no right to write Yamaha on their products, Devilkreed is right about this!
    I remember my first ever ride pillion on a Yamaha RX115, I would have been in 5th grade back then. I still remember the incredibly smooth and what seems like never ending power delivery of the engine. I still remember that ride on Shara e faisal, Karachi ....................... I still remember it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Uskay baad ek say ek CG125 chala chuka hoon. Genuine bhi aur altered bhi......... Matlab a properly done CG125 is not slow but in comparison to thr RX115.......not in the league baby! I can only imagine how fast and powerful the RX135 would be, kabhi ittefaaq nahi howa chala nay ka.

    RX115 is one of the ssexiestt looking lightweight motorcycle. It has that aggressive stance I adore. I love it engine sound. Bas jab silencer say duwan nikalta hai tow meri apni nazar may attraction thori kam hojati hai. Thats it werna have great respect for the RX series......because they deserve it!
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    Lol now let the rx115 @ PWs come and start kissing u for linking Rx!
    He's a big fan! Lol
    In fact everybody who knows somewhat ebt bike know the power of gtos and rx and is a fan!

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    yes its been in use, but Honda is Honda DAM RELIABLE these bikes are not going down for next quite long years as I see...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7thgear View Post
    ^ That is strange, because the CB250 has been in use with the traffic police for quite some years now and the engines should have been easily available..
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    OK, in Bilal Ganj there is alot of CM series and XL series still around, but you will need an inside connection to reach the 'Real' Godaams... in front Market you will only find new Faulty 150 and 200 cc Chiniese engines..

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    I was hoping k I would quite easily find an XL180 or CB180 or CD200 or CM250 but there isnt any. Do anyone know someone other than Saleem who deals in used Japanese Engines?......CB250 maybe puri bike milti hogi......didnt see any engines around. Har jaga bas China hee China rakha hai!
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    125/150cc category new engines without fault are on sale at Mcloed Road for 17k with CDI, self and Starter kicks on MCloed Road, where as dicarded/ Fualty Chinese engine are on display for same price in bilal ganj so dont go for chiniese.. no quality, plus fualty

    man you are ajeeb your were planning an inline four and now you are hunting a Signle Piston Engine ?


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    Yaar he was asking 15k for the engine + carb. These CDI engines come with an electric self starter with no provision of kick start. All of them have 5 speed gearboxes and produces a maximum of 11 BHP @7500RPM. It produces same amount of power as a CG125 engine which I think is insufficient for this project. I'm looking for something which can dish out 20 BHP or more.

    Jahan tak raha sawaal price ka tow as I was genuinely not interested in these motors and the seller was extremely keen to sell me one (as I think these 150cc units are not popular here)....I think if I would have bargained he would have given the best one to me for 10k.
    If I put in this 150cc unit, my Bike would pull like this:
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    Buy a CG 150 or any XL series or any CM series engine, or a GS series Suzuki engine their spare parts will not bug you..

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post

    The Dilemma:
    I cant believe I'm saying this maybe I'm better off with the Chinese 150cc motor. CG series ka engine hai matlab parts awami hain. Secondly har lallu panju mechanic is engine per kaam ker sakta hai.

    Kaash kay Japani engines itnay exotic na hotay yahan! I'm in a dillema now. Should go with my heart and buy an exotic engine or should I go listen to my brain and compromise with a Chinese motor for its convenience.
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    amm .. XL or CM clone ?


    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Ok. So I told you what was going in my mind regarding the engine sourcing issue.
    I finally bought something. Bravo!
    Can anyone guess which Engine I ended up with?
    The person guessing the correct engine will get a ride of my bobber upon completion.

    Here are the options:


    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092033
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092034
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092035
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092036
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092037
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092038
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    MashAllah Zaberdast Choice and a very Gud Decision when are you planning to fire it up ?

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post

    I almost had an xOrgasmx when I saw this, Now let the pictures speak for themselves, Enjoy!
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092284
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092286
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    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092288
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092289

    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092290
    Came with Genuine Mikuni Carb (made in Japan baby)
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092291
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092292


    And a Gear Lever in awesome nick!
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092293


    The old vs the new!
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1092296


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    Lolzz nahi yar, when it comes to marketting tables are turned quite drastactly just fo instance :

    CB250 Night Hawk, CA250, and Rebel 250 all have a 234cc engine with 20bhp and thats pure HONDA JAPAN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Hmm.. thanks for the info! and good luck for ur project!
    Hope it runs smooth!
    And oh yea those chonda bike ppl are cheaters abt true cc of bike, no doubt but we don't expect that from Yamaha Japan ppl!

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    These Chinese engines find abundantly in KABAR market are FAULTY, I have inside info and please stay alert these are rejected engines from local and Chinese factories and have different faults in every one and that's why are pulled out of assembly lines of factories and later on auctioned per kilogram on weight so don't go for them, any of the brother if you are planning to buy it will be a mere Risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    During my hunt for a bigger engine I came across a Chinese 150cc single cylinder engine with twin exhaust and 5 speed gearbox. These engines are in quite good stock in the market and I found some which were in excellent condition. Engine condition wise zabardast thay but Chinese hain aur secondly displacement bhi sirf 150cc hai. Werna maybe may shayad wohi lay leta.
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1091606
    Fingers crossed! Kal Saleem bhai kay pass dobara haazri lagao ga. Lets see which Yamaha 250cc engine he has. Waisay if CM250 turns out to be in good condition tow I?ll go for it. What do you guys say? Badly in need of your suggestions!
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    Maxi, what does Laher nahi mare ga bike ? mean ? laher ?? please feed us with your knowledge

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Thanks Hidalgo and Automotorsport_lover

    Today I?m gonna be taking the Chassis and the Engine to the Great Babu Denter at Hussainabad, Karachi. I have been told that he the best in the business and guarantees that after the chassis is modified and repair , it will be 100% balanced and aligned. According to him: Bike lehar nahi maaray ge and will behave itself.

    Went to his workshop yesterday, he told me that it?s not mandatory to use electric weld on the chassis. It depends on the severity of work required on a particular area of the chassis. What can be done with Gas welding is dealt with that way, whereas electric weld will be used as a last resort.

    Babu Denter is highly recommended by my brother?s friends who got their crooked chassis (been in an accident) repaired by him. The repaired bike had excellent road manners.

    Do anyone know any better Motorcycle Chassis specialist in Karachi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    OK, in Bilal Ganj there is alot of CM series and XL series still around, but you will need an inside connection to reach the 'Real' Godaams... in front Market you will only find new Faulty 150 and 200 cc Chiniese engines..
    Same is the case here at Saleem Ustad's shop at Ranchorline. The Chinese engines are displayed in the front, whereas there were atleast 50 air cooled engines piled up at the back of the shop.....most of them were Chinese and me and my brother had to dragged this engine out of the pile. We also found 2 Honda CM250 (genuine) but Saleem Ustad was asking too much money for it as its a bolt to bolt fit on CD200 chassis. Mujhay waisay bhi Chassis repair kerwana tha so I thought I would be better off with the SR250 as it was cheaper and in better condition than the CM250.

    This engine is 50cm high, whereas my CD175 chassis has 44cm space in the frame vertically therefore I have modified the chassis to make space for this unit.
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    Default The Inline 4 cylinder CBR250R Engine

    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    man you are ajeeb your were planning an inline four and now you are hunting a Signle Piston Engine ?
    I found an Honda CBR250R inline 4 cylinder engine I'm in love with. Saleem Ustad was asking 40k for it however the engine wasnt cranking and required worked. Saleem Ustad had no spares for this unit therefore I had to order a lot of stuff online. Agar 40k may achi condition may milta tow I would have definately definately went for it.

    If you see my first post on this thread I was planning to swap the engine with XL180 engine (single cylinder). I was not particularly going after any 4 cylinder liquid cooled engine, I wanted to install a CBR250R engine which happens to be a liquid cooled 4 cylinder thoroughbred
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    ok bro , by the way the engine you acquired seems promising.

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    I found an Honda CBR250R inline 4 cylinder engine I'm in love with. Saleem Ustad was asking 40k for it however the engine wasnt cranking and required worked. Saleem Ustad had no spares for this unit therefore I had to order a lot of stuff online. Agar 40k may achi condition may milta tow I would have definately definately went for it.

    If you see my first post on this thread I was planning to swap the engine with XL180 engine (single cylinder). I was not particularly going after any 4 cylinder liquid cooled engine, I wanted to install a CBR250R engine which happens to be a liquid cooled 4 cylinder thoroughbred
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    Quote Originally Posted by vickytulla View Post
    Maxi, what does Laher nahi mare ga bike ? mean ? laher ?? please feed us with your knowledge
    Its as simple as its sounds, on agressive braking or voilent acceleration the motorcycle will tilt towards the biased side if the frame is bent or crooked. An honest straight frame ensures that the motorcycle will have good road manners and wont misbehave under stress.

    In denter's language if the frame is misbehaving under stress than they say: "Bike Lehar maar rahi hai". By the way this LEHAR thing can also happen if the rear wheel is not aligned or the wheels themselves need balancing. Wheel alignment and balancing is not a problem but a crooked chassis makes the whole bike worthless.
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    I was curious to learn about this mechanics words because I heard Chita denter (lahore) talking about this issue to be carefully dealt while modification, specially raising the bike tail, and I was a unable to understand what he really meant by that word. thanks for explaining it so well..

    Quote Originally Posted by aximaxim View Post
    Its as simple as its sounds, on agressive braking or voilent acceleration the motorcycle will tilt towards the biased side if the frame is bent or crooked. An honest straight frame ensures that the motorcycle will have good road manners and wont misbehave under stress.

    In denter's language if the frame is misbehaving under stress than they say: "Bike Lehar maar rahi hai". By the way this LEHAR thing can also happen if the rear wheel is not aligned or the wheels themselves need balancing. Wheel alignment and balancing is not a problem but a crooked chassis makes the whole bike worthless.
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    Default The Chassis modifications and repair

    Babu Denter:
    I towed my rolling chassis and engine to Babu Denter's workshop 2 days ago at Hussainabad Karachi.

    The engine is too BIG:
    Babu's prodigy student "Kashif" is a young fellow with an extremely keen eye ......allowing him to stand out the crowd of other fabricators. In these 2 days I have witnessed the great Babu denter asking for Kashifz approval to ensure the frame is straight or not after the repair at several occasions. I told him how the engine is 3 inches taller than what the frame can hold and that the frame needs some rust repair at the triangular thingy shown below:
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1094175

    As the rusted part is rotten through he will fabricate a new peice of metal of same gauge and replace it at both sides. Left side has the rust and needs replacement.......right side can be fixed without fabricating the whole peice and working with original peice, however I insisted not to compromise on frame strength and remake both sides as genuine.
    This was the easy part. The pain in the azz is the space for the engine.

    The 4 Point Plan:
    After having 2 discussion sessions with him in the last 3 days we have mutually agreed upon to modify the frame from the following areas:
    Honda CD175 Bobber Project -1094177
    Point 1:
    At point 1 we will be extending the pipe to compensate from the taller engine.......we need 2 more inches of height to make space for the engine. The front foundations will be made like Junaid Akhter made for his Cyclone Baastardd 250.....with rubber bushes. Thanks Junaid for the idea and guidance

    Point 2:
    At point 2 is the neccesary rust repair. New peice will be fabricated and welded (Gas welding)

    Point 3:
    At point 3 I insisted to change the pipe both side with heavier pipes. The left side pipe have 10-15 extremely small...pin hole kind of rust holes in a 1.5 inch patch right in the middle of the pipe. Kashif insisted to simply repair the pipe but I insisted to change the pipe with a heavier pipe both side......btw right side is 100% rust free but to keep the weight balance we have to do both sides. Kasif wants to repair not replace the pipe. I want this chassis rock solid!

    Point 4:
    At point 4 there is actually no modification in the frame.....we just need to fabricate engine foundations. The provision for mounting the engine from its head is given in the engine therefore we will be mounting the engine from the top as well. The holes in the frame are already there so its a fairly simple job.

    The Denter will take arround 7 days to finish this fabrication and I will be spending most of my time after work at his workshop. Poor Kashif thinks I will come after a week to take delivery......he has no idea whats coming his way starting tomorrow
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    i liked your plan and best of luck , i got my beast back and guess what 7ft 2 inches long beast refused to fit in suzuki pick up straight , it was diagonally tied in it . i got it back n started it . here is 1 pic of beast
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    legend will revive soon

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