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    Assalam-u-Alikum..

    Dear friends, I'm willing to buy a second hand bike, I have been using 'Hero 70' for 6 months but now I want something other than 70cc. I know this comparison b/w 125cc and 150cc seems stupid. But I want professional advice that which bike I should go for. Frankly I like GS-150 but many people are convincing me not to buy GS-150 and to go for CG-125. What should I do? Does Gs-150 has no resale? Its maintenance is very costly as compare to CG-125? Is it really unreliable? I am new to bikes and have no experience so guys please your help will be appreciate. Thank you.


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    if i was u i would have bought any bike other than 125 just for the hell of it..its so overrated
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaNi_WiKeD View Post
    Assalam-u-Alikum..

    Dear friends, I'm willing to buy a second hand bike, I have been using 'Hero 70' for 6 months but now I want something other than 70cc. I know this comparison b/w 125cc and 150cc seems stupid. But I want professional advice that which bike I should go for. Frankly I like GS-150 but many people are convincing me not to buy GS-150 and to go for CG-125. What should I do? Does Gs-150 has no resale? Its maintenance is very costly as compare to CG-125? Is it really unreliable? I am new to bikes and have no experience so guys please your help will be appreciate. Thank you.

    The main point here is that you are new to bikes so in my opinion you should avoid Suzuki bikes unless you know a good suzuki bike mecahic. Because to a novoice, those hathora mechanic will ruin your bike and eventually you will sale it out cheaply. I have Suzuki Sprinter and I had bad experience with these mechanics. Finally I am in peace after knowing a specialist of suzuki bikes.

    Secondly, yup GS has less resale value as compare to 125 and expensive spare parts. But you are resident of Karachi so 125 will create a tension of snatching.

    You can go for pridor for now (in my opinion). Good balance of power and economy. Good looks. Good mechanics are comparatively easily available. Less tension of snatching at the moment in Karachi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaNi_WiKeD View Post
    Assalam-u-Alikum..

    Dear friends, I'm willing to buy a second hand bike, I have been using 'Hero 70' for 6 months but now I want something other than 70cc. I know this comparison b/w 125cc and 150cc seems stupid. But I want professional advice that which bike I should go for. Frankly I like GS-150 but many people are convincing me not to buy GS-150 and to go for CG-125. What should I do? Does Gs-150 has no resale? Its maintenance is very costly as compare to CG-125? Is it really unreliable? I am new to bikes and have no experience so guys please your help will be appreciate. Thank you.

    The main point here is that you are new to bikes so in my opinion you should avoid Suzuki bikes unless you know a good suzuki bike mecahic. Because to a novoice, those hathora mechanic will ruin your bike and eventually you will sale it out cheaply. I have Suzuki Sprinter and I had bad experience with these mechanics. Finally I am in peace after knowing a specialist of suzuki bikes.

    Secondly, yup GS has less resale value as compare to 125 and expensive spare parts. But you are resident of Karachi so 125 will create a tension of snatching.

    You can go for pridor for now (in my opinion). Good balance of power and economy. Good looks. Good mechanics are comparatively easily available. Less tension of snatching at the moment in Karachi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abdulrehmanrauf View Post
    The main point here is that you are new to bikes so in my opinion you should avoid Suzuki bikes unless you know a good suzuki bike mecahic. Because to a novoice, those hathora mechanic will ruin your bike and eventually you will sale it out cheaply. I have Suzuki Sprinter and I had bad experience with these mechanics. Finally I am in peace after knowing a specialist of suzuki bikes.

    Secondly, yup GS has less resale value as compare to 125 and expensive spare parts. But you are resident of Karachi so 125 will create a tension of snatching.

    You can go for pridor for now (in my opinion). Good balance of power and economy. Good looks. Good mechanics are comparatively easily available. Less tension of snatching at the moment in Karachi.
    But I know a suzuki official mechanic in my locality. The thing is I want to know how much expensive GS-150 parts are as compare to CG-125. and how much mileage these both bikes give. And as I want to buy a second hand bike in the range of 40-45k. can you tell me what model can I get in this range of both bikes in a good condition.

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    I do not know about the spare parts cost of CG125. But I can give you some idea. Genuine clutch plates of honda CD 70 is around Rs 400- 450 where as Sprinter clutch plates (genuine) is around 1450. Genuine timing chain of CD 70 is around 350 where as sprinter's around 950 - 1000 (genuine). Genuine ring piston is around 950 - 1000 where sprinter's (not very much sure) might be around 2000 - 2500 (genuine). And GS150 timing chain is around 1200 - 1300. CD70 indicator acha wala costs you around 60 Rs where sprinters cost you around 160 - 180.

    So parts are expensive. Nowadays, local, taiwan aur japanses (not genuine) parts are also available and they are much cheaper then genuine one but the life of these parts are also short.

    You might need to raise your budget till 55K to get a good condition bike any of them be it GS or CG. Buying a second hand GS is not an easy task and only a good mechanic can pick hidden weaknesses where as if CG has an hidden problem it can be rectified easily as compared to GS.


    Quote Originally Posted by HaNi_WiKeD View Post
    But I know a suzuki official mechanic in my locality. The thing is I want to know how much expensive GS-150 parts are as compare to CG-125. and how much mileage these both bikes give. And as I want to buy a second hand bike in the range of 40-45k. can you tell me what model can I get in this range of both bikes in a good condition.

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    For 45K only the model of cg 125 which can be bought by you will be up to year 2008 and if you are very lucky then 2009.

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    Thank you guys. I will until I find I good CG or GS. I like GS smooth ride btw. But can you tell me the mileage of both CG and Gs in a litre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaNi_WiKeD View Post
    Thank you guys. I will until I find I good CG or GS. I like GS smooth ride btw. But can you tell me the mileage of both CG and Gs in a litre.
    Fuel Consumption:
    GS150 will give an average of 28-30km in a liter if ridden above 80kmph and 40km if ridden between 50 to 80kmph.
    CG125 will give an average of 35km in a litre if ridden above 80kmph and 45 if ridden between 50 to 80kmph.

    Handling & comfort:
    GS150 is very smooth when it comes to shock absorbers but the brakes and grip are not very good . You'll have to put a thicker tire in the rear to make it stop on braking.
    CG125 is not very smooth but the brakes and grip are good.

    Engine Reliability:
    GS150 has a 145cc OHC engine with 5 gears transmission which gives very smooth ride experience and is very good for long rides. OHC Engines are not very robust and need frequent maintenance.
    CG125 has a 124cc OHV engine with 4 gear transmission and probably not very good for long rides. But the OHV engines are very robust and won't need frequent maintenance.

    Top Speed:
    GS150 will easily do 110-115kmph
    CG125 will easily do 100-105kmph

    If you are willing to buy a GS150 just put a thicker tire on the rear and you'll be a very happy rider. And if you can sacrifice some smoothness and power then CG125 is there. I ride both and i love them both.

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    Both are of different categories. If you want comfort go for GS. If you want pick want to beat other riders around your bike for short distances go for Cg. other details are beautifully described by Brother Ansee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansee View Post
    Engine Reliability:
    GS150 has a 145cc OHC engine with 5 gears transmission which gives very smooth ride experience and is very good for long rides. OHC Engines are not very robust and need frequent maintenance.
    CG125 has a 124cc OHV engine with 4 gear transmission and probably not very good for long rides. But the OHV engines are very robust and won't need frequent maintenance.
    yeah
    145cc OHC cruising at 110Km/h with 5th gear engaged is pure s.ex.
    but why OHV is considered more robust than OHC???
    I abused my Junoon engine a lot, and all i did was routine maintenance.
    Have met a few GS users with around 30K Km on odo, and they told that all they have done is change engine oil and clean air filter , nothing else required on this bike, not even tappet adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    yeah
    145cc OHC cruising at 110Km/h with 5th gear engaged is pure s.ex.
    but why OHV is considered more robust than OHC???
    I abused my Junoon engine a lot, and all i did was routine maintenance.
    Have met a few GS users with around 30K Km on odo, and they told that all they have done is change engine oil and clean air filter , nothing else required on this bike, not even tappet adjustment.
    Gul bhai how it is possible that tappet adjustment is not necessary in GS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by racer7 View Post
    Gul bhai how it is possible that tappet adjustment is not necessary in GS?
    It has some auto adjustable kind of thing as told by vicky bro
    Suzuki mechanic also told the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    It has some auto adjustable kind of thing as told by vicky bro
    Suzuki mechanic also told the same

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    Wow then its very economic too for a GS lover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gull_s_777 View Post
    yeah
    145cc OHC cruising at 110Km/h with 5th gear engaged is pure s.ex.
    but why OHV is considered more robust than OHC???
    I abused my Junoon engine a lot, and all i did was routine maintenance.
    Have met a few GS users with around 30K Km on odo, and they told that all they have done is change engine oil and clean air filter , nothing else required on this bike, not even tappet adjustment.
    No doubt it is.
    Unlike the OHVs, OHC engines are not very good when the rider is a rookie or atmosphere is rough and tough as the Timing chains do not take too much pain whereas Push rods are very stubborn and won't wear out easily.
    I believe that DYL uses high quality parts in Junoon's engine as compared to the quality of those used in Honda and Suzuki engines. Hence, Junoon does not become a pain in the butt.
    I don't know about the auto tappet adjustment of GS150. But it all depends on how much you take care of your ride. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abdulrehmanrauf View Post
    I do not know about the spare parts cost of CG125. But I can give you some idea. Genuine clutch plates of honda CD 70 is around Rs 400- 450 where as Sprinter clutch plates (genuine) is around 1450. Genuine timing chain of CD 70 is around 350 where as sprinter's around 950 - 1000 (genuine). Genuine ring piston is around 950 - 1000 where sprinter's (not very much sure) might be around 2000 - 2500 (genuine). And GS150 timing chain is around 1200 - 1300. CD70 indicator acha wala costs you around 60 Rs where sprinters cost you around 160 - 180.

    So parts are expensive. Nowadays, local, taiwan aur japanses (not genuine) parts are also available and they are much cheaper then genuine one but the life of these parts are also short.

    You might need to raise your budget till 55K to get a good condition bike any of them be it GS or CG. Buying a second hand GS is not an easy task and only a good mechanic can pick hidden weaknesses where as if CG has an hidden problem it can be rectified easily as compared to GS.
    tell me one thing bro, the parts of the Honda Pridor and Suzuki Sprinter may have difference pricing, as you know Honda is widely available in Karachi so the price will be less comparatively to Suzuki parts or the parts will cost same or little difference or huge difference in pricing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaNi_WiKeD View Post
    But I know a suzuki official mechanic in my locality. The thing is I want to know how much expensive GS-150 parts are as compare to CG-125. and how much mileage these both bikes give. And as I want to buy a second hand bike in the range of 40-45k. can you tell me what model can I get in this range of both bikes in a good condition.
    GS-150 parts costs rougly double the price of cg..CG-125 in not at all recommended in KHI..It gets snatched alot,,Bhul jao 125 ko
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    O sir g kya ho gya ha
    nai ha parts costly mene apna 150 10000 km chala dia ha or muje abi tak kisi part ki zarurat nai pari ma sawae oil filter k or last week clutch ki cable toot gai thi that cost me just 150.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansee View Post
    No doubt it is.
    Unlike the OHVs, OHC engines are not very good when the rider is a rookie or atmosphere is rough and tough as the Timing chains do not take too much pain whereas Push rods are very stubborn and won't wear out easily.
    I believe that DYL uses high quality parts in Junoon's engine as compared to the quality of those used in Honda and Suzuki engines. Hence, Junoon does not become a pain in the butt.
    I don't know about the auto tappet adjustment of GS150. But it all depends on how much you take care of your ride. If you take care of it, it will take care of you.
    Ammmm... Im afraid ur a bit wrong here, i differ.

    OHC is always better than OHV.. haan agar ap yeh kaho k Honda makes good quality OHV while others make cheap OHC then its true.. and in this case Honda 125 would prove to be more robust. But technologically OHC is by all means superior to OHV.

    Practically in Pakistan too Cd70 engines last more than Cg125's... a lot of difference between life of both.

    But yes... OHC is more expensive to manufacture engine and since honda cg125 is the most popular 125cc bike here in Pak... other manufacturers take its price as a benchmark... they keep their prices lower/equivallent to cg125 and try to offer OHC + more features.. which mostly makes their products very low on quality... but blame should not be on technology, but quality control...

    Hope i Answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Ammmm... Im afraid ur a bit wrong here, i differ.

    OHC is always better than OHV.. haan agar ap yeh kaho k Honda makes good quality OHV while others make cheap OHC then its true.. and in this case Honda 125 would prove to be more robust. But technologically OHC is by all means superior to OHV.

    Practically in Pakistan too Cd70 engines last more than Cg125's... a lot of difference between life of both.

    But yes... OHC is more expensive to manufacture engine and since honda cg125 is the most popular 125cc bike here in Pak... other manufacturers take its price as a benchmark... they keep their prices lower/equivallent to cg125 and try to offer OHC + more features.. which mostly makes their products very low on quality... but blame should not be on technology, but quality control...

    Hope i Answered.
    I am not specifically talking about Pakistani Motorcycle Engines, I am talking in a broader sense, brother.
    The advantages that an OHC has over an OHV are Less Vibration (more comfortable) and Higher Speed.
    and the advantages of an OHV are Low maintenance and reliability.

    Btw, I would always prefer an OHC if it is of good quality.

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