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Thread: Diffrence btw honda geniun cylincer and wender cylincer

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    Default Diffrence btw honda geniun cylincer and wender cylincer

    Aoa to all. Mere pas honda cg euro2 bike ha main chrome sylincer lgna chahta hu to konsa cylincer purchase kru ?
    Geniun ya phir wender


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    Genuine = 2300/-

    Vendor = 1350/-

    Genuine has good chrome quality and gives heavy original 125 sound and is obviously expensive.

    Vendor chrome quaility is not good and it will fade away within a year of being bought, expect slight rust to appear on some part as well after some time.
    The sound is different too. It's what you called "pathreeli" and is not heavy (natural) sound.

    I changed mine last Sept '14, on my '11 model and bought genuine and AH it's shiny as every uptil now and the sound is crackling.
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    most of time one vendor make the silencer. those that pass quality inspection are fitted to honda motor cycles and sold as AHL OEM parts.

    those that dont pass quality inspection, are sold directly by vendor to market
    the problem is not our govt... its the people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfssaad View Post
    most of time one vendor make the silencer. those that pass quality inspection are fitted to honda motor cycles and sold as AHL OEM parts.

    those that dont pass quality inspection, are sold directly by vendor to market
    Agreed with the vendor part AHL doesnot make silencers on it's own it is made by the vendor for them.

    The rest is wrong the vendor make multiple quality products. For AHL it makes good highly quality silencers and hence the price. For China motorcycles it makes low quality parts because they are to be sold dead cheap.

    Vendor also supplies both these high and low quality products into the market, where the high quality one is named as "genuine AHL exhaust" and low quality one is called "vendor or windor".

    Btw: Going by your theory would mean that there won't be any genuine AHL OEM silencers available in the market at all, as all good ones would be passed to AHL, which is highly untrue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nfssaad View Post
    most of time one vendor make the silencer. those that pass quality inspection are fitted to honda motor cycles and sold as AHL OEM parts.

    those that dont pass quality inspection, are sold directly by vendor to market
    Quote Originally Posted by Chaudhary007 View Post
    Agreed with the vendor part AHL doesnot make silencers on it's own it is made by the vendor for them.

    The rest is wrong the vendor make multiple quality products. For AHL it makes good highly quality silencers and hence the price. For China motorcycles it makes low quality parts because they are to be sold dead cheap.

    Vendor also supplies both these high and low quality products into the market, where the high quality one is named as "genuine AHL exhaust" and low quality one is called "vendor or windor".

    Btw: Going by your theory would mean that there won't be any genuine AHL OEM silencers available in the market at all, as all good ones would be passed to AHL, which is highly untrue.
    AHL have quality test AHL use only those parts which gave AhL max profit

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    AHL have quality test AHL use only those parts which gave AhL max profit
    i spent 2.25 years working with atlas group, as assistant manager quality assurance. i left because i did not like their quality methodology...

    vendor does not sell OEM silencers. or cylinders or pistons or clutches. it manufactures a fixed quantity of the part at quality standard set by AHL. and deliveres the parts to AHL.

    it is now upto AHL what parts to put on bike and what parts to put on market with AHL name tag.

    there is one fixed manufacturing setup. no separate production lines for AHL and market.

    all that pass AHL inspection are sold to AHL. rest are segregated according to the defects on them. less defects go for more price. more defects go for less price.

    fading of chrome happens due to uneven coating of chrome, poor cleaning of base metal, coating thickness too thin.
    the problem is not our govt... its the people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaudhary007 View Post
    Agreed with the vendor part AHL doesnot make silencers on it's own it is made by the vendor for them.

    The rest is wrong the vendor make multiple quality products. For AHL it makes good highly quality silencers and hence the price. For China motorcycles it makes low quality parts because they are to be sold dead cheap.

    Vendor also supplies both these high and low quality products into the market, where the high quality one is named as "genuine AHL exhaust" and low quality one is called "vendor or windor".

    Btw: Going by your theory would mean that there won't be any genuine AHL OEM silencers available in the market at all, as all good ones would be passed to AHL, which is highly untrue.
    vendor can not sell AHL branded products himself, this carries a legal penalty. all parts are sold to AHL with AHL quality level. then AHL decides which parts to put on bike and which parts to put on market in AHL box packing. same case with cylinder pistons clutch
    the problem is not our govt... its the people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfssaad View Post
    vendor can not sell AHL branded products himself, this carries a legal penalty. all parts are sold to AHL with AHL quality level. then AHL decides which parts to put on bike and which parts to put on market in AHL box packing. same case with cylinder pistons clutch
    But still AHL gives more order to vendor which give more profilt like 60-70% AHL bike come with acl meter and 30-40% with alsons meter and in honda 3s both are available at same ahl oem parts rates

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    But still AHL gives more order to vendor which give more profilt like 60-70% AHL bike come with acl meter and 30-40% with alsons meter and in honda 3s both are available at same ahl oem parts rates
    yes obviously. ahl buys from the vendor with lowest price.

    poor vendors.

    ahl buy from vendor at price A,
    Ahl than adds its profit B
    the market dealer ads his profit C,

    Customer buy for A+B+C,

    in case of warranty return,

    the complete A+B+C+ cost of labor + cost of consumables with be all borne by the poor vendor. its nasty buisness. no loss to AHL OEM, all loss transferred to vendor
    the problem is not our govt... its the people..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaudhary007 View Post
    Genuine = 2300/-

    Vendor = 1350/-

    Genuine has good chrome quality and gives heavy original 125 sound and is obviously expensive.

    Vendor chrome quaility is not good and it will fade away within a year of being bought, expect slight rust to appear on some part as well after some time.
    The sound is different too. It's what you called "pathreeli" and is not heavy (natural) sound.

    I changed mine last Sept '14, on my '11 model and bought genuine and AH it's shiny as every uptil now and the sound is crackling.
    Ch sahb what is price of 2015 model black cylincer orignal?


    Mirza

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1747 View Post
    Ch sahb what is price of 2015 model black cylincer orignal?


    Mirza
    Sorry bro no idea about the Euro 2 one. But expect a difference of max Rs200-300 from the full chrome one.
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